Finance Minister on Hearts and Minds

Just a case of documenting this, for now. Here’s Northern Ireland Finance Minister, the DUP’s Nigel Dodds, on Hearts and Minds last night.

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  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Given the understanding bewteen Marty and Robbo on Police and Justice would it be fair to say that Deputy (Dog) Dodsy has lost his bite having also recently seemingly lost his bark?

    Secondly, when Marty spoke on Hearts and Minds the previous week he referred to those in the DUP who shared the same outlook as the TUV and had until the recent understanding been holding up progress. Is it fair to place Dodsy in that camp based on his previous outbursts “not in a political liftime” etc?

  • ulsterfan

    He gave a very good performance as Minister.
    He appears to be confident and in chharge.

  • shea

    Dods is robbing us, we need Martin as finance minister and we’ll get him. “Tiocfaidh Ar La”

  • Hbf

    ulsterfan,

    I disagree. I doubt it’s him that’s ultimately behind a lot of his decisions, and he’s not exactly come up with any great plans to help businesses through the financial crises. And, as Sammy noted in post 1, he has very little bite in the executive.

    Shea,

    Oh, grow up. Why do you need Martin as finance minister?

  • Mack

    Nigel Dodds is an excellent minister and has ensured that the DUP are the party that can assure that the finances are available for those who need finaincial help. I spoke to Ian McCrea MLA who raised the issue of the need for £5 Million to be made available to Dept of Education for the extended schools programme and only through his discussions with Nigel, made the finances available. Those who attack Nigel Dodds are only those who wish to attack him like the TUV who are now the defenders of Sinn Fein as they attack the DUP on every occassion instead of attacking SF. The DUP are the only party that takes a stand for Unionism and those who attack them want direct rule with Dublin interference.

  • “Given the understanding between Marty and Robbo”

    This ‘understanding’ didn’t include Peter’s ‘Mad Hare Day‘ in Mosside.

  • Just how much control does the finance minster exert over his department and, in particular, the Central Procurement Agency? Is the latter ‘fit for purpose’?

    Who is to blame if things go seriously wrong? Is it the minister or the chief accounting officer, the departmental permanent secretary?

    Two companies have won actions in the courts following procurement disputes and the Rathlin ferry saga could bring further bad news for CPD and DRD.

  • Bigger Picture

    Sammy..

    As a word of advice your constant accusation that Dodds has lost any bite he had rings hollow by the amount of times that you constantly have to state this point without any real back up or evidence to show it. Is it not more of a case of he’s the biggest threat so let’s attack him rather than the more liberal robbo? It is hardly an insult on a unionist politicians image to be attacked by SF, in fact it shows what a good job they are actually doing.

    And as well giving the understanding between McGuinness and Robbo whereby the executive returns to business with no date for p+j and no sf minister for justice is pretty much what everyone in the DUP and the unionist community wants, so i think we all win there.

    Now, go on lets hear you spin, spin, spin that it was a climb down from before when no date was in place…whoops!

    Now the line back will be that they have agreed a process that will lead to p+j, ok. But is that not what they agreed to and hoodwinked the supposed mighty men of SF at St Andrews?

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Bigger Picture

    “As a word of advice your constant accusation that Dodds has lost any bite he had rings hollow by the amount of times that you constantly have to state this point without any real back up or evidence to show it”

    On Lets Talk Dodsy noticeably failed to challenge TUV Jimbo’s assertions on specific aspects of the undestanding between Robbo and Marty. He also overstated the DUP position – not in a political liftime – and has been noticeably quiet about it since i.e. – his bark now seems to be gone. From someone who appeared to be intent on scuppering agreement with SF he’s now seems intent on making it work i.e. he has also now lost his bite.

    His statement that he had to do a deal with SF for fear of Dublin involvement is anti-spin i.e. its true but very bad politics for him to admit it. So much for the DUP getting a good deal for Unionism. lol

  • Comrade Stalin

    Bigger Picture,

    Sammy believes that unionists are on the back foot because they threatened their own electorate with joint authority. I think most of his contributions here are intended to reassure himself rather than anybody else. Like I said before, I think it’s great that republicans believe that SF’s dropping of their boycott of the executive in exchange for little other than an ambiguous memorandum of understanding is a good deal. It certainly suits the DUP fine for them to believe that.

    Most republicans who have any sense seem to recognize that the return to the executive the other week amounted to a climbdown, and they’re hoping that the climbdown will pay off. That’s a pragmatic position to take in the circumstances.

    If joint authority was a good fallback deal for republicans, and they were convinced that it would happen if they allowed the assembly and executive to collapse, then why are Sinn Fein going to so much trouble in order to get the executive and assembly in place and avoid that outcome ? Between the DUP and SF, which of the two are putting in the most effort, making the most concessions and abandoning the most principles in order to avoid joint authority ? Answers on a postcard …

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Comrade Stalin me old mucker.

    Let me take you through it again. It has been SF policy to implement the GFA (that is their preferred option as they get into government) – it has been DUP policy not to implement it.

    The DUP had no choice but to implement it because even though they had Lundified Trimble (very unfairly ) for doing exactly the same thing, they like Trimble realised that the Englezes supported the Nationalist position (ie the GFA) and failure to implement would result in a greater role for Dublin.

    What is suprising, dont you think, is the DUP admitting they were coerced into a deal having slated the UUP for bring push-over Unionists?

    What has poor Wee Davy and the party of the muddle got to say now his “We are all doomed – it will never work” line is redundant – he must be very disappointed that Deputy Dog Dodsy has lost his bite, rolled over and is having his tummy tickled.

  • runciter

    Deputy Dog Dodsy has lost his bite, rolled over and is having his tummy tickled.

    Sammy, please stop the baby-talk and state clearly what SF specific commitments have obtained from the DUP that they didn’t have previously.

    The SDLP thinks that SF have been duped again. Here’s PJ Bradley’s take on it:

    “The DUP cast both the Good Friday Agreement and d’Hondt system aside by creating a situation that requires any appointment to be endorsed by the largest Unionist Party and the largest Nationalist Party. Sinn Fein bought into the DUP line of thinking thus assuring the ‘No Nationalist Need Apply’ philosophy is now firmly in place and we were returned to the type of thinking that existed in the years before the Civil Rights campaign.

    When the time comes around for nominations to the eleventh Ministerial Post the SDLP will put forward their proposal and as part of the hoodwinking exercise Sinn Fein will vote for the SDLP nominee but in keeping with the Peter Robinson Plan the DUP will not back the SDLP thus a nationalist will be denied the post courtesy of what Sinn Fein agreed to at St. Andrews.

    The stalemate that will result will allow the ultimate chapter in the DUP Plan to be written. The unionist Alliance Party will then put forward a candidate which the DUP will gladly row in behind and feebly the Shinners will do likewise. A Nationalist will have been kept from the Ministerial position and Sinn Fein will be happy that the DUP Plan to sideline the nationalist SDLP from office thus assuring that the SDLP will not have a second Minister in the Executive.”

    http://www.sdlp.ie/news_item.php?id=8334

    Tell us why he’s wrong.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Runciter,

    heres the thing – SF want the GFA agreement implemented – the DUP were preventing its implentation i.e. the non transfer of police and have now agreed to do so. Thus SF get what they require – after some huffing and puffing and barking (from Dodsy).

    It is key principle for Republicans and the GFA that Police is adminstered by Irish people. The DUP have simply delayed the inevitable with the political cover of their funny locks – so fecking what?. The DUP will be trussed up in the GFA or face serious consequences i.e. in Deputy Dog Dodsy words ‘anglo-irish rule’. (These serious consequences differ from Robbo’s in that are not simply bluster.)

    The SDLP spin on this irrelevant – only a few weeks ago they were claiming (and was repeated here many times as if it were fsct) that SF did not want an SDLPer about the place – that has now been debunked. All statements from those parties not part of the current set up have to be understood as the comments of a political opposition.

  • runciter

    SF want the GFA agreement implemented – the DUP were preventing its implentation i.e. the non transfer of police and have now agreed to do so.

    Funny – that’s what they told us after the St Andrew’s Agreement.

    Thus SF get what they require

    Once again: what SF specific commitments have obtained from the DUP that they didn’t have previously?

    Your evasiveness on this point is very noticeable.

    the SDLP spin on this irrelevant – only a few weeks ago they were claiming (and was repeated here many times as if it were fsct) that SF did not want an SDLPer about the place – that has now been debunked.

    On the contrary, PJ Bradley has clearly outlined why nationalists are still effectively excluded.

    You still haven’t told us why he’s wrong.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    runciter,

    “what SF specific commitments have obtained from the DUP that they didn’t have previously”

    You will have to ask Robbo that – but this is a very sensitive issue for the DUP and he is clearly managing the release of this information to prevent Tuv Jimbo Lundifying him. But when it becomes clear – dont be too hard on him – poor chap (just like Trimble) he has nowhere else to go.

  • Comrade Stalin

    The DUP had no choice but to implement it because even though they had Lundified Trimble (very unfairly ) for doing exactly the same thing, they like Trimble realised that the Englezes supported the Nationalist position (ie the GFA) and failure to implement would result in a greater role for Dublin.

    Great theory, with the very obvious problem that SF clearly do not believe that. They buckled to DUP demands that the IRA be completely disarmed, and that Sinn Fein sign up to policing *before* the executive and assembly could resume. If it is really true that the DUP were running scared, then why did SF have to make these very significant concessions ? Explain that one to me.

    Watch as Sinn Fein now prepared to buckle to yet another DUP demand, which is that a nationalist shall not take the justice ministry seat most likely for at least another 4 years. You want to put money on that one ?

    What is suprising, dont you think, is the DUP admitting they were coerced into a deal having slated the UUP for bring push-over Unionists?

    If the deal is essential to the unionists in order to avoid joint authority, and the unionists are genuinely scared of this possibility, then why is it SF who are making all the concessions ? If Jim Allister is so scared of joint authority, why isn’t he playing along with the deal ?

    What has poor Wee Davy and the party of the muddle got to say now his “We are all doomed – it will never work” line is redundant – he must be very disappointed that Deputy Dog Dodsy has lost his bite, rolled over and is having his tummy tickled.

    I don’t see how that lines up, given that Alliance are in line to get the justice ministry.

    You will have to ask Robbo that

    I think runciter has now established that you don’t know, so you’re buying into all this based on your trust of the SF leadership. Like I said, that’s absolutely fine. I’m glad you trust them. A political leader must expect and require total obedience from the party supporters. That’s the way we did it back in the old USSR, and it all worked out fantastically.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Comrade Stalin,

    What a lotta lols.

    you are still clearly in denial about the fact that the GFA and now the STA are being implemented by Unionists under threat from the very country they swear their loyalty to. LOL 1

    Has Wee Davy’s removed the “we are all doomed it -it will never work” line from the party of the muddle website yet? Perhaps it has been changed to “it will never work unless I get offered a job”
    LOL 2.

    Marty is protecting Robbo from his own electorate and from TUV Jimbo by keeping their agreement under wraps. Such generosity of spirit. LOL 3

  • Comrade Stalin

    you are still clearly in denial about the fact that the GFA and now the STA are being implemented by Unionists under threat from the very country they swear their loyalty to. LOL 1

    Are you going to address my point about the fact that Sinn Fein are the ones making the concessions and taking the risks in order to keep the Agreement alive ?

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    CS

    Are you not watching the football? The Arse are in the lead.

    I already have answered your question you dull fecker ( I was ging to say dull Prod but thought the better of it ) Unlike the DUP the GFA is SF’s preferred option and some concessions are required to keep the wild men of the DUP (e.g. Deputy Dog Dodsy) inside the tent.

  • Comrade Stalin

    I hate football.

    Unlike the DUP the GFA is SF’s preferred option and some concessions are required to keep the wild men of the DUP (e.g. Deputy Dog Dodsy) inside the tent.

    If the DUP are intimidated by the prospect of joint authority, which is the basis of your whole argument here, then why are concessions from SF required in the first place ? Why aren’t we talking about concessions to Sinn Fein, to keep the wild men of SF inside the tent ?

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    CS

    “Why aren’t we talking about concessions to Sinn Fein, to keep the wild men of SF inside the tent”

    You are chasing your own tail now.

    You are the one who said “Are you going to address my point about the fact that Sinn Fein are the ones making the concessions”

    ps What about Ulster rugby – a revival underway? As a dull Prod ( only joking) surely you must support them?

  • Comrade Stalin

    You are chasing your own tail now.

    Trying to get straight answers out of you is like getting blood from a stone.

    You are the one who said “Are you going to address my point about the fact that Sinn Fein are the ones making the concessions”

    Yes, and I don’t think we’ve got to the nub of the matter. Since Sinn Fein are making lots of concessions (I note you are not disputing this), it follows that they think that those concessions are necessary. Which means that they don’t think that the threat of joint authority is sufficient to make the DUP play ball (the mechanics of why that is, whether there are internal factions or whatever, aren’t relevant; the important part is that SF feel that they must give into the DUP demands). Which means that your argument about the DUP being on the back foot doesn’t make sense. Comprendez ?

    I’m not disputing the idea that SF want to make the GFA work, it’s quite obvious that they do. In fact it’s obvious that they want the GFA to work more than anyone else, and they have made big sacrifices towards achieving that goal. I think this is very noble and pragmatic, and I do have respect for people who take risks in the way that SF have. But this supports my argument (that SF need the GFA/assembly/executive more than the DUP, and therefore they are the ones with their backs to the wall), not yours.

    I don’t do rugby either, I’m afraid. When they bring curling to Ireland, we’ll finally have a sport I can support.