“…violence as a cheery caper”

Ann Marie Hourihane reviews the Breakout programme. She concludes that:

“But viewers of Breakout were left asking if there is no spectacle the Protestant people of Northern Ireland will not have to endure to make republicans feel better about themselves. Is there no victory dance, be it ever so puerile, that they are not going to be forced to witness? There’s a real danger that the IRA is going to bore the rest of us to death. But even Free Staters know the name of one person murdered by the IRA. Watching Breakout, that name kept on reverberating through the twinkling orgy of machismo: Jean McConville. Jean McConville. Jean McConville.”

  • wee slabber

    Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn!

  • manichaeism

    “Free Staters”!!!

  • El Paso

    Another cutting edge selection from the ever reliable Sundays.

  • fair_deal

    El Paso
    “from the ever reliable Sundays.”

    It was printed in the Monday edition of the Irish Times.

  • Shore Road Resident

    Leave El Paso be Fair Deal, this is his new schtick – everything in the Sunday papers is rubbish. Everything. Just because. So.
    Perhaps especially if printed on a Monday.

  • El Paso

    It was printed on Monday! Oh well, that puts a completely different complexion on matters. Very serious piece of well thought through journalism, lesson there for all of us. Can’t wait for Tuesday.

  • percy

    turn it round fair-deal
    How long do republicans have to endure cry-baby unionism?
    Put on a BBC drama about how the RUC connived with the stone-throwers and bullies who viciously attacked the peace-marchers on the road to Burntollet.
    No you won’t, because its excruciatingly embarrasing to have to admit that the unionist community did such unspeakable acts.

    At least in this programme the IRA are telling their story.

  • fair_deal

    percy

    LOL. I see I have no further role here as you have decided my answer for me. I appreciate you going to such time and effort on my behalf but I’d prefer it if you’d give me the common courtesy of allowed me to express my own opinions not what you imagine or wish them to be sustain your own argument.

  • Her real problem is that this story is about men.

    She doesnt really like men-like most feminists of her generation.
    Especially military men.

    I doubt she would like to be in the company of some lads just back from Afghanistan either….

  • Democratic

    “At least in this programme the IRA are telling their story.”

    LOL!
    I wonder did Mr Kelly actually they hear the A-Team theme tune in his head while he was re-counting his exploits…..the warden he shot in the face was very lucky to survive after all….

    Is Gerry Kelly’s name still being put forward for the P&J;ministerial position? – that’ll start off a whole bag of fun if/when that day comes…

  • Mayoman

    “Is there no victory dance, be it ever so puerile, that they are not going to be forced to witness?”

    Make anyone else think of Ian and David’s bigoted Garvaghy Rd dance? Poor comment, it seems to me, given the annual entire season of victory dances that have been endured by nationalists over the ignoble history of NI, complete, in some cases, with memorials to people who murdered the very relatives of those they were dancing past. Seems outrage for southern and northern unionists is a typically hypocrtical one-way street.

    http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Orange-Lodges
    “the then British Secretary of State, Sir Patrick Mayhew declared “the actions of the marchers would have disgraced a tribe of cannibals” after Orangemen taunted residents of a Catholic neighbourhood they were marching through about the recent murders of five locals by the UDA. The UDA members had killed the men (who had no paramilitary connections) when they sprayed a betting-shop with gunfire. “

  • Shore Road Resident

    So what you’re basically saying here, Mayoman, is two wrongs make a right.

  • Mayoman

    In that there are two sides to the story of NI SSR, yes. And each side will hold horrors for the other. Both were wrong IMHO. Then, so was the partition of the country, IMHO. Its just faux-one-sided outrage is pointless. Unless you believe all of these ‘dances’ should be stopped? I look forward to you putting that idea forward to the OO? Otherwise, accept that both ‘tradition’s’ stories have a right to be told, in the way that ‘tradition’ wants to tell them. Unlike the OO marches, at least with telly you have the choice to watch. At least, SSR, you can turn it off.

  • Grassy Noel

    Anto McIntyre on Breakout:

    http://thepensivequill.am/2008/09/breakout.html

    Thoughts?

  • Reader

    Mayoman: Unless you believe all of these ‘dances’ should be stopped?
    Do you disagree with the Ormeau Road residents’ group that they should be stopped? Before telling Fair Deal what his opinions are, why not tell us about your own?
    So, how about running potentially controversial TV programmes past a Parades Commission?

  • Anthony McIntyre ,as always, has an authentic voice on matters relating to the PRM.

  • Grassy Noel

    Reader,

    most TVs are fitted with an off switch and a channel switcher. Sadly, neither are much good against real, live Orange Bands (and the drunken, blue bag clutching hangers-on) as they march past your front door…

  • Steve

    Reader
    So, how about running potentially controversial TV programmes past a Parades Commission?

    Every TV program, controversial or not, comes with
    its very own parades commisioner its called a remote control and viewer discretion.

    People who live on the parade routes have no such choice on whether to participate in these controversial programmes

  • Mayoman

    Don’t think I told anyone what their opinions should be, you might be confusing my post with another. Its an interesting point you raise. I would love to see OO marches restricted to places where they are welcome. Television has an innate ability to be self-regualated (the ‘off’ or ‘change channel’ button) that would negate the need for a commission. But my main point is the faux-outrage. Can you address that reader? It seems to me another case of unionists hating all violence, unless it is either carried out by them, or on their behalf.Its either a ban on all glorification of it, including then, some or all OO marches (including those in unionist areas where UVF/UDA bands march?), or accepting the ‘other side’ has a voice. The question is, I suppose, do you believe in the ultimate censorship? Do you really believe the role of republicanism in NI’s history should only ever be told in the way you want it to? Because, and it is just my opinion, not forcing it on others, that’s a shameful re-incarnation of supremacism if you do.

  • Democratic

    Just read McIntyre’s piece – a stereotypical worshipper at the Provo alter it seems – apparently Gerry Kelly was the “star” of the show with his amusing anecdotes and evident martial courage….says it all really – sickening…

  • Democratic:
    Is it violence you find sickening or violence for a cause you oppose that is sickening?

  • manichaeism

    Well, we all know what the British are like. They can kill millions and it can be a good thing but if the Irish kill a horse it is the most evil thing in the history of the world!

  • Democratic

    “Is it violence you find sickening or violence for a cause you oppose that is sickening”
    It is the tone of McIntyre’s boot-heel licking piece that I find sickening Phil – accurate though you may like to think it is…..

  • Ulsters my homeland

    manichaeism

    “[i]Well, we all know what the British are like. They can kill millions and it can be a good thing but if the Irish kill a horse it is the most evil thing in the history of the world!”[/i]

    Although there may be isolated incidents where individual Brits haven’t stuck to the book when fighting enemies, we Brits have made it a rule to fight against those who oppress civil and religious liberty.

    what civil and religious liberty did Shergar impose upon humanity?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    meant to say “restrict on humanity”

  • Reader

    Mayoman: But my main point is the faux-outrage. Can you address that reader? It seems to me another case of unionists hating all violence, unless it is either carried out by them, or on their behalf.
    And yet, I can think of almost none of the unionist posters here who would defend loyalist violence, and also very few who would defend the glamourisation of any violence in the troubles from any side. We have at least got a firm grip on the notion that violence is ugly.
    Republicans still haven’t moved on from the glamour of the old songs and the distancing effect of the remote control and the bomb timer. They have produced a lot of human body parts, but left the security forces and the emergency services to pick up the pieces.
    Keep your glory, keep your glamour. Don’t imagine you can sell it to us.

  • manichaeism

    Actually I was remembering the household calvalry horses and the fuss that was made about them.

    Yes, that’s right. The British never killed an innocent person. They were all evil people who deserved to be killed!!

  • Mayoman

    Sorry Reader, thats just pure dillusion, as many have have pointed out on this site. From the willful support of loyalist paramiltaries by mainstream politicians, to the OO links, the 12th bonfires, Love Ulster, UWC strike, the fact that the community was willing to tolerate the UDA as a legal entity exsiting within it for so long, etc etc etc. No-one needs to sell your community a willgness for glamourisation of violence, you do well enough all by yourselves.

  • Shore Road Resident

    I think the main point to bear in mind here is that Gerry Kelly has been quite successfully re-incarcerated at Stormont.

  • fionn

    UMH…

    “Although there may be isolated incidents where individual Brits haven’t stuck to the book when fighting enemies, we Brits have made it a rule to fight against those who oppress civil and religious liberty.”

    Amritsar ,

    Jallianwal Bagh,

    Boston,

    Malayasia,

    sadly this list can go on and on and on. (I deliberately left out all mention of Ireland to avoid your ‘whataboutery’. If this list does not suffice to convince you; I can supply more – not out of hatred, I would have you understand, simply historical fact.)

    But to start with, pick ONE of the aforementioned massacres and tell us how this was a ‘fight against those who oppress civil and religious liberty’

    please do.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    To save you breath fionn, has all those killings you mentioned been proven to be a direct failure of British policy and not of individuals?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    fionn, if you continue to confuse British policy with the actions of individuals, we can hardly expect you to judge any of these cases as you already have been preconditioned.

  • El Paso

    Weren’t the perpertrators of the above massacres promoted…by the British. What happened to Bomber Harris?

  • Mackers is trying to have it both ways. He eulogises Gerry Kelly for heroic endeavours that were sold out by the peace process, but Kelly was one of the champions of that process and presumably doesn’t think he was sold out at all.

    The observations about the ineptitude of the prison officers are well made though; to think that one of them risked a bullet in the head to signal to his colleagues that they should apply a little more thought to the fact that an alarm had gone off – and was treated as a fool!

  • manichaeism

    Ulsters my homeland,

    Victim of British concentration camps during the Boer War:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:LizzieVanZyl.jpg

    Just one sad case of many caused by the British policy of imperialism.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “[i]Weren’t the perpertrators of the above massacres promoted…by the British. What happened to Bomber Harris? [/i]

    what was he promoted for?

  • Steve

    UMH

    Although there may be isolated incidents where individual Brits haven’t stuck to the book when fighting enemies, we Brits have made it a rule to fight against those who oppress civil and religious liberty

    In nIreland? give us a break dear

  • Democratic

    The officer in question TOOK a bullet in the head from Gerry Kelly no less (not risked) – in the line of duty also – attempting to prevent very dangerous men from escaping to continue their terrorist campaign overseas – in some eyes (mine included) he would be considered very courageous indeed!

    Wonder how he feels about Mr. Kelly being touted as our future Policing & Justice minister?….

  • barnshee

    “But to start with, pick ONE of the aforementioned massacres and tell us how this was a ‘fight against those who oppress civil and religious liberty’ ”

    NONE

    However
    The brits used to rule a lot of the world- including the that arse end known as “Ireland”.
    They were able to do so for a variety of reasons
    Sea Power, Force of arms, the will to do so etc etc.

    Also important were the structures of the countries ruled/dominated. Almost invariably they were divided with “tribal” groupings (and almost as invariably bare arses) who could not combine sufficiently to organise a piss up in a brewery.

    Every hear the words “Britannia rules the waves”. Just another empire Roman, Persian, Russian, British that the sun has set on. N Ireland is pimple on then arse end of British empire. Just be grateful that the the Brits did not employ the standards of

    Amritsar ,Jallianwal Bagh to sort it.

    (Boston what the fuck happened in Boston)

  • Ulsters my homeland

    manichaeism, if this link you’ve posted is true and the death of this child is the result of the British concentration camps, I can only support an investigation into the matter.

    How do you think this was ordered? was it a British policy of carried out by Individuals?

  • manichaeism

    An investigation into the matter!! Maybe we can dig up all concerned and prosecute them!!

  • ben

    I wouldn’t worry about the Protestant people of Northern Ireland having to *endure* any spectacles for as long as they continue to mount them, to the strains of “Kill All Taigs” and “Simply the Best”.

  • fionn

    dammit, I forgot to input my name and now I have to repost….

    UMH where in the world I am right now it is late and I apologise, but I’m going to bed 🙂

    However (there always is a however). How many atrocities, in how many countries over how many centuries does it take before it becomes a failure of policy as apposed to ‘individual action’?

    And please don’t tell me about my preconditioning, you have no idea who I am and I expect you would be quite surprised. We don’t all pigeon hole as easily as you might like.

  • manichaeism

    You seem to make big use of the “individual” defence UMH.

    Ultimately all decisions are made by individuals who then persuade others to agree with them. It is not really a defence at all as anything can be justified in this way. For example Hitler was an individual.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “[i]An investigation into the matter!! Maybe we can dig up all concerned and prosecute them!!”[/i]

    If that’s your attitude why mention it in the first place, manichaeism?

  • manichaeism

    Because I was showing you that the British have been responsible for the deaths of many innocent people. You seem to be in denial about your own history. Perhaps it is just a lack of knowledge or perhaps they are facts that you would really rather not know.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “[i]UMH where in the world I am right now it is late and I apologise, but I’m going to bed 🙂

    However (there always is a however). How many atrocities, in how many countries over how many centuries does it take before it becomes a failure of policy as apposed to ‘individual action’? “[/i]

    Excellent point, however the downside of that is that you’ve now become world wide.

    “[i]And please don’t tell me about my preconditioning, you have no idea who I am and I expect you would be quite surprised. We don’t all pigeon hole as easily as you might like.”[/i]

    Yes, your majesty

  • fionn

    “I thought I was out .. but they pulled me back in”

    UMH, address a single point put to you, just one … dare ya

    barnshee

    “(Boston what the fuck happened in Boston) :

    … please, google has already entered the lexicon

  • fionn

    OK UMH, you’ve hooked me … WTF??

    the ‘worldwide’ crack I just don’t get. please explain. (actually I have an idea where you’re going with that but it leaves you WIDE open … if I’m correct). please addres this point.

    and ‘yes your majesty’?? WHAT? seriously .. do you have a point to make or is it just ‘ya booo sucks’

  • Reader

    UMH: manichaeism, if this link you’ve posted is true and the death of this child is the result of the British concentration camps, I can only support an investigation into the matter.
    There was already a very thorough and scathing enquiry into the gross mismanagement of the camps. A lot of people died from typhoid, dysentery and cholera, and the hospitals saw a lot more use than the tennis courts. It didn’t help that the Boers raided the supply trains of course.

  • Pancho’s Horse

    Weere the Boers not our cousins ..again?

  • manichaeism

    “It didn’t help that the Boers raided the supply trains of course.”

    Yes, lets blame the Boers for it!

  • Hugh Dubh Oneil

    “was it a British policy or carried out by Individuals?”-all policies are carried out by individuals!!!!and at nurembourg it was established that those who formulate the policy are as guilty as those that implement it.

  • Democratic, so you’re not a pacifist?
    Just checking

  • JT O’Sullivan

    UMH can’t be serious?