“We do have equality and we do have power-sharing..”

Stormont Live returned today and the main studio talking point was the will they/won’t they Executive meeting.. and the apparently related topic of the devolution of policing and justice powers. First up were two Northern Ireland Executive Ministers – the SDLP’s Margaret Ritchie and the UUP’s Reg Empey. The co-ordinated outrage came across as a bit little forced..

More combative, with each other, were the next two MLAs – the DUP’s Peter Weir and, once again, Sinn Féin’s John O’Dowd.

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  • slug

    Peter Wier was rather effective against O’Dowd, particulary his point about the crisis operating AGAINST confidence in the community.

    SDLP and UUP showing a unity of argument – singing from the same sheet – which I think is all about criticising the DUP/SF as a pair.

    The point that the Executive has important work to do came across strongly – and that progress on this should not be held up.

    O’Dowd’s claim that the crisis was about “equality” made me cringe a little.

  • Quagmire

    In order for Stormont to achieve the full support of (ALL) the community here in the north, then all stakeholders, including the electorate, must feel that they own Stormont collectively. It has to represent and act on behalf of all of the peoples who live in this part of Ireland. At the moment this is not happening. Whether you like it or not a large percentage of the north’s population is made up of nationalists whose national flag is the Tri-colour and Anthem is Amhran na bhFiann. Indeed some 25% of the north’s population vote for Sinn Fein alone. I’m not suggesting that Unionism should give nationalism everything it wants, not for one second. However at some point it will have to concede something otherwise a large percentage of the people who live here will not feel as though Stormont represents their views or is something that they can give their allegiance to which will lead to an even bigger crisis. The DUP and Unionism in general has to realise that we live here too! We make up nearly half the population of the north ffs! If there is no movement on P&J;then I believe Sinn Fein should walk away and they will have my full support for doing so.

  • consul

    37 minutes into the audio Mandy Johnson recalls Ian Mór saying, “I don’t know how to be a minister!” Seems to be a common affliction across the spectrum in Northern Ireland. It’s not mandatory coalition that doesn’t work, it’s the clowns masquerading as politicians that don’t work.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “[i]The DUP and Unionism in general has to realise that we live here too! We make up nearly half the population of the north ffs!”[/i]

    You only have 25% of the population, so don’t think you speak for the other 75. 500,000 supporters of murder, torture, kidnappings, intimidations and crime is too much already for our society, we don’t want any more.

  • Quagmire

    “You only have 25% of the population”
    Posted by Ulsters my homeland on Sep 15, 2008 @ 07:55 PM

    If you are referring to the the percentage of the electorate that voted for Sinn Fein in the ’07 assembly elections, the actual figure is 26.2%. If we break down the electorate into nationalist and Unionist i.e those who voted for a nationalist/Republican party and those who voted for a Unionist party, approx 42% of the electorate voted for a nationalist/Republican party with approx 46% of the population choosing to vote for a party of the union. Its not as if Unionism is streets ahead in terms of numbers. Indeed if anything the Unionist vote is receding whilst the nationalist/Republican vote is increasing. For example compare the above results to the results attained in the 1992 General election when approx 56.1% of the population chose to vote for a unionist party whilst an approx 34.1% voted for a nationalist/Republican party. You do the math mo chara. It won’t be long now until a nationalist majority. I give it 20 years tops. In the mean time however ,as an Irish Republican, I demand a say in this society that we live in. You can no longer ignore the elephant in the room my friend. We are here to stay until 50+1! An Phoblacht Abu!

    1992 General Election- http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/politics/election/rw1992.htm

    2007 assembly election – http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/vote2007/nielection/html/main.stm

  • barnshee

    ” Its not as if Unionism is streets ahead in terms of numbers. Indeed if anything the Unionist vote is receding whilst the nationalist/Republican vote is increasing”

    I do not regard the neanderthal attitude to birth control displayed by “nationalism” as anything to boast about.

    “national flag is the Tri-colour and Anthem is Amhran na bhFiann”

    These items are appropriate to the state that identifies itself as the Republic of Ireland. This nirvana is a £10 bus ride away.

    The absence of carvans of transports carrying “nationalists” in the direction of the AFM nirvana would suggest that theyu would rather stay in the hell hole for nationalists that is N Ireland.

    It must be terrible– all that free NHS, Education, family tax credits for their growing population, Public Housing etc.

    These poor disadvantaged people how they must yearn for the freedom available in the Republic of Ireland (£10 one way appy at any Translink Station free to over 60`s)
    Repeats

    http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/projects/jtap/dce/moorbath/

  • Quagmire

    Typical unionist attitude! If you want to be Irish move down south. lol. What a joke. I am an Irish Republican. I see the whole Island as my country you chimp! At the moment I live in Ulster but I would just as easily be at home in Leinster, Munster or Connaught. You should write a book and call it Ethnic cleansing by Barnshee Karadzic! You can continue to bury your head in the sand or you can face the reality that approx 40% – 50%, and growing, of the north give their allegiance to the Tri-colour and Amhrain na bhFiann as their national flag and anthem respectively. I was born on the Island of Ireland hence I’m Irish you dope. The last time I checked the Island of Britain was made up of Scotland, Wales and England. Are you British? It is your position that is contradictory, not mine. Perhaps it is you that should up sticks and leave. You might find this web site useful http://www.stenaline.co.uk/ferry/ferries-to-britain/

    Kind regards,
    Quagmire.

  • Quagmire

    The absence of carvans of transports carrying “nationalists” in the direction of the AFM nirvana would suggest that they would rather stay in the hell hole for nationalists that is N Ireland.Posted by barnshee on Sep 16, 2008 @ 01:00 PM

    There will be shit loads this Sunday for the All Ireland final in our nations capital and as Ulster’s representative in the final I hope Tir Eoghain do up the Kingdom like kippers.

  • Continental Drifter

    Top quality debate, lads.

    Keep it coming.

  • barnshee

    Quagmire
    Ouch –must have touched a raw nerve then (I see you ignore the thurst of my item re benefits etc.)

    “There will be shit loads this Sunday for the All Ireland final in our nations capital and as Ulster’s representative in the final I hope Tir Eoghain do up the Kingdom like kippers.”

    The outcome of this event will pass unobserved by the majority of citizens on the UK including those in N Ireland. Indeed should the shitloads (incidentally how appropriate the description)decide to remain south of the border the majority in N Ireland will not object.

    PS nobody is forcing/asking/cajoling you to do anthing- its just that with your promised land a short step away it baffles me that any decent republican would stay in the british state

    PPS Don`t know anthing about the sectarian game club aka the GAWAW, but the form book would suggest that kerry will shaft the opposition big time

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “[i]I was born on the Island of Ireland hence I’m Irish you dope. The last time I checked the Island of Britain was made up of Scotland, Wales and England. Are you British? “[/i]

    In that case, aren’t you British as you were born in the British Isles? LOL

  • Quagmire

    In that case, aren’t you British as you were born in the British Isles? LOL Posted by Ulsters my homeland on Sep 16, 2008 @ 02:47 PM

    You mean the Northwest European Archipelago?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    what a mouthfull !!!

  • runciter

    In what part of Ireland does “barnshee” sound like “banshee”?

    As far as I can tell, it only works as a homonym if you have an English accent.

  • barnshee

    “In what part of Ireland does “barnshee” sound like “banshee”

    Try it in a scottish accent