Recall recriminations

Ian Paisley Jnr is claiming that it wasn’t only the UUP who rebuffed SDLP calls for an Assembly recall but SDLP MLAs as well. UPDATE Paisley Jnr’s claims are wrong “15 SDLP signatures have already been appended.”

  • poor junior,he reminds me of a character from south park or somewhere!

  • The question is, why do the DUP not want to address the urgent political issues we’re currently facing? The crisis was created by the DUP/SF government, but they want the SDLP/UUP/Alliance to sort out their problems.

    Also, the SDLP made it clear that 30 signatures were required before any approach to the Assembly Speaker could be made.

  • Michael Shilliday

    My copy of the Newsletter had McGlone saying he was in possession of letters from all SDLP MLAs. Which means Jnr is talking our of his behind. Which makes this post a little daft.

  • Dec

    Which makes this post a little daft.

    Michael

    Get with the rehabilitation programme!

  • joeCanuck

    Pot, kettle, black.

  • fair_deal

    MS

    “…he was in possession of letters from all SDLP MLAs”

    How is the speaker supposed to act on letters he never received?

  • The question is not so much, “why hasn’t the speaker recieved the letters” – there would be little point since the SDLP knew they wouldn’t have enough support to have the assembly recalled – the real question, which is still unanswered is – why did the UUP pass up such an abvious opertunity to score points against the DUP? – personally, I don’t buy any of the excuses they have give so far. I wrote a short blog piece on what i believe the real reasons may be: http://the-dark-eleventh-hour.blogspot.com/2008/09/total-recall-or-not.html

  • fair_deal

    PA

    “why do the DUP not want to address the urgent political issues we’re currently facing?”

    Like approving the 30 items of business that the SDLP highlight their concerns about?
    Reaching an agreement on the how of policing and justice?
    Agreeing to talks on the outstanding issues?

    UF
    “why did the UUP pass up such an abvious opertunity to score points against the DUP?”

    I wondered about that too. All out opposition can get you into some strange places but that asides probably as you say because it could be spun as urging DUP to give in.

  • Patrick Stephens

    Will Brian Walker withdraw his comments about the SDLP doing nothing to try and build the middle ground now?

    The SDLP is clearly trying, the UUP is clearly dying and the DUP-SF party clearly don’t give a toss. I give Durkan credit for standing up at least. Maybe the time has come for nationalists to start asking if they are getting the right type of leadership?

  • Ian Paisley Jnr. attempts at rehibilitation are doomed to failure because he’s learned nothing from the incidents that brought him down in the first place and, more subtly, nobody likes the guy.

  • cynic

    “The question is, why do the DUP not want to address the urgent political issues we’re currently facing?”

    Perhaps because that they think others are on the hook and they are not?

  • Two good reasons why I feel this thread has definite promise:

    1. It produced that neat gem from Patrick Stephens @ 08:43 PM:

    The SDLP is clearly trying, the UUP is clearly dying and the DUP-SF party clearly don’t give a toss.

    2. That said, I thought that Empey’s reasons had some value in the third week of August. He also contributed to the general merriment with that appropriate:

    How on earth, when the Executive cannot even get the drains to work properly, are the DUP and Sinn Fein agreeing to the devolution of policing and justice?

    That said, everyone is back to work, back to school, back to porridge-and-old-clothes. So when does the Assembly actually do something? On that point, surely, there is a general agreement: today’s Irish Times leader virtually shoulder-to-shoulder with Alex Kane in today’s Newsletter.

    Many years back, when the Tories took control in that east London borough, their effective slogan was “Havering: no longer a synonym for messing about”. It looks as if that torch has passed to the opposite end of the UK.

    Can anyone improve the shining hour by advancing the extended list of the Assembly’s achievements over the last year? Just for fun.

  • cynic > Yes, they’re always blaming someone else. Let’s be honest. The DUP and SF are unable to work together. Many of the problems are SF’s and many are the DUP’s.

    Other parties wouldn’t face these problems, as many of the problems are just stupid and could be easily fixed if they bothered to meet, discuss, listen, negotiate and work together.

  • fair_deal

    MR

    “How on earth, when the Executive cannot even get the drains to work properly”

    The Executive of whom he is a member? Nice line and government can be criticised for many things but the weather is a bit much 😉

    PS The IT and Kane links don’t seem to be working.

    PA

    “The DUP and SF are unable to work together.”

    Perhaps the SDLP could advise them on the basis of their past experience how you oversee a successful and stable mandatory coalition?

  • fair_deal @ 10:00 PM:

    Sorry about the links. I really must tidy up my act on these HTML codes.

    The obvious (and quickest) way in is the estimable http://www.nuzhound.com/index.php

    Beyond that the Irish Times editorial is:
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2008/0902/1220218726727.html

    Alex Kane is at:
    http://www.newsletter.co.uk/columnists/Political-stalemate–here-we.4445997.jp

    Again, my bad. I see the link coming up here, and assume it works.

  • fair_deal

    MR

    Cheers much appreciated

  • Michael Shilliday

    Maybe you could tell me what the point in sending the Speaker 16 letters is when you need 30 is?

  • Of course, the fact that the executive haven’t met in 3 months might well be proof that it isn’t the best place to resolve issues like P&J;etc. Indeed it may be the case that since the DUP and Sinn Fein are dealing with these issues in other arenas (face to face talks etc) that the executive is ineffective due to the process of its creation (i.e. d’hont and power-sharing) – and so there have been no executive meetings because the executive as a body of governance is flawed.

  • Michael Shilliday @ 11:24 PM:

    As Voltaire said of the late Admiral Byng: “pour encourager les autres”?

  • DC

    “Of course, the fact that the executive haven’t met in 3 months might well be proof that it isn’t the best place to resolve issues like P&J;”

    Yes you could be right, Tony Blair used to do it by ‘sofa government’ with important meetings held in the ‘den’ after which parliament would just rubber stamp most of the stuff during the landslide victory days.

    Shame Stormont didn’t operate like that, mind you there was a bit of good sofa government once whenever Marty and the Doc had Bertie and Tony round with Hain serving the Tea. Ah optics politics, now that’s what our lot seemed to be good at as the real executive-led work isn’t agreeing at all.

  • Michael Shilliday

    Malcolm, the SDLP are usually quite good at p*****g in the wind, in this instance some common sense prevailed and no ones time was wasted more than it already had been.

  • Perhaps Michael, as a UUP member, could give us his take on why the UUP passed up this opportunity to attack the DUP/Sinn Fein government. Does he not believe that the best thing for his party to do is to take every opportunity to highlight what he undoubtedly sees as the DUP failing to deliver effective devolution? Or is he content to stick to the UUP party line that its just not really worth the effort? Luckily as I am not a member of either the DUP OR UUP I do not have to publically explain/support such an obviously ludicrous line. If you wish to read my view on the reasons: http://the-dark-eleventh-hour.blogspot.com/2008/09/total-recall-or-not.html

  • fair_deal

    MS

    MR has pretty much provided the answer.

  • nineteensixtyseven

    Another pathetic joke in the tragicomedy that is IPJ’s political career.

  • Michael Shilliday

    Glad to see you agree with him. The same kind of thing worked really well for unionism in the 80s.

  • So – it appears that Michael Shilliday does not have an answer to my question to him (at #22)

  • bona fide

    “While the SDLP may be satisfied that they are meeting their responsibility as elected representatives by CHASING HEADLINES, I am sure the electorate would not be of the same opinion.”

    Joe has already said, ‘pot, kettle, black’ – but seriously, how the feck does ipj have the audacity to put these words down in black in white, given that he makes a career out of this very thing?

    mind you, i suppose nothing should suprise when it comes to this guy.