“I don’t believe that we are in that position.”

Anonymous briefings aside, it looks like the Irish Times report [and the previous BBC one] will be accurate in that the IMC will likely say that “while the [Provisional IRA] army council still exists, it poses no paramilitary threat.” The confirmation comes from none other than Northern Ireland First Minister, the DUP leader Peter Robinson, as quoted in this short report

Speaking after meeting Police Service of Northern Ireland Chief Constable Sir Hugh Orde, Mr Robinson said he was told the army council remained in place but was not involved in terrorist activity.

The DUP leader said his party had always demanded a final end to the IRA as the price for further political progress. But he said: “I don’t believe that we are in that position.”

That should give the Sinn Féin leadership something to talk about. Adds And from the BBC report

Mr Robinson said he was told the army council remained in place, but was not involved in terrorist activity. “I accept what the chief constable says that they (the army council) are not meeting for any terrorist purpose. “But we require the removal of the IRA’s army council and we’ve always made that clear,” the first minister said.

And in another report

Mr Robinson says he discussed the state of the IRA with Sir Hugh Orde: “I think he recognises that some parts of the structure are still there. But they are not being used, according to the Chief Constable, for any paramilitary or terrorist purpose. We still take the position that the structures must be removed completely. There is no purpose of having a structure if you do not intend to operate in a paramilitary fashion.”

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  • Peking

    The IMC report hardly tells us anything.
    The police and the IMC (who get their info from the police and related security services) are going to say exactly what the governments require them to say.

  • Pete Baker

    Peking

    That was, partly, the point made in a previous post – linked above.

  • Briso

    If the IRA ceases to exist, their standing order to dump arms, cease fire permanently and work for Irish Unification by purely peaceful means would fall too. I’m therefore against this policy of the DUP.

  • If the IRA ceases to exist, their standing order to dump arms, cease fire permanently and work for Irish Unification by purely peaceful means would fall too. I’m therefore against this policy of the DUP.

    Briso this is a very insightful piece of thinking

  • It was Sammy McNally what done it

    Robbo sounds like a man keen on compromise.

  • billie-Joe Remarkable

    IRA Statement: “We’ve disbanded.”
    DUP Statement: “Prove it.”

  • barnshee

    The DUPERS are now watching the TUV over their shoulde.
    Do they sign up for P&J;and risk TUV inroads (fuck I could lose my sinecure in Stormont) at the next election.
    No contest– there are no votes for the DUPERS in P&J;

  • McGrath

    Never mind the zero logic argument about IRA Army Council disbandment, I’m wondering what the next DUP road block will be, and sales pitch they will use.

  • Greenflag

    Northern Ireland ,

    1920-1969

    50 years of No politics

    1969 – 1998

    30 years of conflict interspersed with maybe politics for a few months here and there

    1998 -2007

    10 years of GFA limboland and talks about no talks and internal Unionist replacment of the UUP by the DUP

    2007 – 2050

    40 plus years to look forward to – of stand off politics , flag debates , Irish language debates , council office memorablia debates , and anything else which will make no practical difference to the future of the NI economy or whatever will be left of it.

    Ho hum ho hum
    It won’t be fun
    But hope at least
    Of no return to the gun !

  • “The DUPERS are now watching the TUV over their shoulde.
    Do they sign up for P&J;and risk TUV inroads (fuck I could lose my sinecure in Stormont) at the next election.
    No contest– there are no votes for the DUPERS in P&J;”

    Barnshee that has the ring of authenticity to it.

    DUP minds may be focussed on what happens if they sign up to P&J;-with an agreed Justice minister-and something nasty comes down the pipe.
    There could be another South Armagh killing.
    What happens then TUV would be able to do to the DUP what Paisley did to Trimble.

  • Skintown Lad

    IRA: we’ve gone away
    DUP: who said that?

  • DC

    One year on, three issues and 108 MLAs fail to sort it out. People complain about Gordon Brown, this is pretty unbelievable for 21st century politics.

    Tribal resilience you could say or incompetence, a luxury which should be afforded to no one.

  • If the armed struggle is over and republican aims are to be pursued peacefully then what is the purpose of the IRA army council. Seriously I’m actually looking for the stated Sinn Fein explanation.

  • Good question Ted

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Ted,

    good as a trade for SF and will provide welcome cover to Robbo.

    Question to Robbo: Why did you move on police and justice when not doing so was damaging SF and keeping Jimbo and the Tuvvers off your back.

    Reason: El Gordo told me that ROI govt would have more involvement in Norn Iron affiars if Stormo collapsed as a result of me not moving.

    Reason Given: To get rid of the army council.

    Its a bit like articles 2 & 3 – swap something useless (an apsiration to have a say in Norn Iron affairs) for something useful (an actual say in Norn Iron affairs).

  • IRA: we’ve gone away
    DUP: who said that

    very funny skintownlad

  • Where’sthelaw

    It’s a joke the DUP are intent on going after the Army Council – which does feck all – but ask the DUP to go after the millions laundered and demand the PSNI actually do their job – oh no God forbid.

    What is clear – to save face on all sides the DUP have been trying for a side deal to get rid of the council in return the Provos money will be left alone. Then Robinson can jump up and down and say to the electorate how clever he was.

    Except PIRA are playing hard ball and so more concessions will be given – how about holiday homes in Bulgaria for each member – go on Robinson agree to that to – we all know you will.

  • POL

    Pull the house down theres no pleasing unionism.

  • McGrath

    IRA: we’ve gone away
    DUP: who said that?

    Posted by Skintown Lad on Sep 02, 2008 @ 01:56 PM

    A sentiment that reinforces my opinion that the DUP (and any apparent nemesis) are more afraid of their electorate that republicanism.

    What we have here (yet again) is bollix politics and bollix politicians.

  • Peter Hart

    Why do they care so much? Why don’t they stop playing these games (both sides) and just attempt to govern???

    They should garnish all of their salaries and donate them to charity, these stupid amoral pricks.

    How will anyone be completely sure that the Army Council has disbanded? They won’t. So move on.

  • Peter maybe (whisper it) they are better at bickering than governing (DUP & SF.
    Subsequently they would rather find an excuse to bicker than govern………..

  • steve

    what about dup’s army council and waspons?