The Milk Turns Sour As Sectarianism Rears Its Ugly Head

Two under age soccer teams from Dublin participating in the Milk Cup tournament have changed their accomodation following a sectarian attack on the original accomodation venue- a block of flats- of the clubs in Coleraine. A spokesperson for one of the targeted clubs, Crumlin United, said sectarian remarks were shouted.

“There were bottles, cans of beer, bricks and all sorts coming over towards the kids. The kids were terrified. Some of them are 14, others are 15,” he said.

Tournament organisers have condemned the incident. UPDATE: Joe Duffy’s Liveline had a conversation with Paul Hammond, one of the Crumlin United coaches, in which he describes a series of attacks on the accomodation involving several groups (and not one individual), attacking the front and rear of the accomodation. The team had to sleep in a homeless shelter last night.

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    Outsider,

    Was it the GAA that burned the Orange Hall?

  • Chris Donnelly

    Outsider

    We’ve been down that MOPEish road too many times here to revisit it for your benefit. Suffice to say the evidence of protestant/ unionist participation on this site is there for all to see. Making such ridiculous claims is evidence of a desire to silence the expression of other, non-unionist narratives for “fear” of alienating protestants/ unionists, an entirely spurious line of thinking.

    Regarding an attack on an Orange Hall, I’d condemn any such attack without equivocation- and I’d also condemn your sad little effort to link the attacks somehow to the GAA.

  • Outsider

    The hall was painted with GAA slogans and had a GAA flay draped from it.

  • Outsider

    sp should be flag.

  • Harry Flashman

    Mikey baby, I love you, you’re a real hoot honestly, post after post of razor sharp repartee, a gag a minute, please accept my apologies, your posts amply demonstrate that effervescent wit is your middle name, a sheer life affirming joy to read.

    Mike; ‘hole, in, a, digging, stop’, organise those words into a simple phrase.

  • Chris Donnelly

    Outsider
    well then obviously it must have been local GAA players right? btw that logic surely means that members of the British crown forces/ Royal family (now there’s a thought…) are responsible for every loyalist flag draped on lamp posts across the north of Ireland.

  • Outsider

    Chris

    I have never seen any Loyalist flags in Donegal.

    I don’t see your problem with my conclusion you have equated via this thread and scores of other threads that Protestant/Orange Order = Bad.

    This thread was another pointless attack on the Protestant community under the guise of false condolences.

  • Paul McMahon

    “Im up here now in the milk cup with rovers 17s. i was talking to a few cherry orchard and Crumlin lads and they said that the Orchard lads were shouting out up the ‘Ra to protestant people in the nearby estate. they also had Celtic and Ireland flags hanging out of there windows. both teams are now staying in hotels nearby”

    “And people expect to brandish murder gang symbols and chant up the RA and expect no reaction? Get real. Brushing the facts under the carpet only exacerbates the problem”

    “So, once again hearsay becomes fact. Now, where have I heard that before? Oh wait a minute, it was here:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/3688379.stm

    “Ulster Unionist councillor Bob Stoker, who caused outrage when he said people living in Sandy Row had been provoked by those living in the apartments”

    Colraine’s near neighbours, Ballymena have form at this maybe it’s spread further up the road?

    http://www.village.ie/Opinion/Regulars/Turning_a_blind_eye_to_anti-Catholic_violence/

    “In May, a minibus carrying Catholic teenagers from a football tournament in Ballymena was stoned and youths injured”

    However, DC’s treatment in the loyalist bastion of the Shankill Rd is a glimmer of hope and should e enthusiastically applauded – long may it continue.

    Rabelais

    I’ve often heard the claim that Nats are more media savvy than their P/U/L counterparts although I’ve only heard it used as a soundbite without any actual substantiation.

    What does it mean? Can anyone explain to me HOW Nats are supposedly more media savvy?. I mean all the Unionist parties have a press office, all loyalist community activists have access to the media and the Shankill Mirror is a very vocal mouthpiece for the “Love Ulster” brand of Unionism. So, I can’t see any particular advantage Nat’s may have.

    It may be the ‘sexiness’ of the story in the sense that a few young lads throwing a few stone into the Fountain in Derry isn’t quite the same as a few young lads with baseball bats beating Mickey Bo to death forty odd miles away down the road in Ballymena.

  • Mike

    Harry

    This is getting seriously wierd.

    Each time I tell you that you can’t actually tell someone’s personality, how they are in the real world, interacting with real people, by a few internet posts you can count on the fingers of one hand, you keep coming back with a newly rejigged sarcastic post about “wit” and “humour” (add “imagination” to that list of mine on the last page…by the way how does that saying go about sarcasm and wit).

    At the risk of repeating myself, you haven’t seen any “effervescent wit” or “razor sharp repartee” from me because all you’ve read is a handful of posts on san internet forum, starting with me picking someone up on a remark I thought was prejudiced, then coming to an amicable conclusion with him. Which is approximately the same sort of logic as reading one of WB Yeats’s tax returns and drawing conclusions as to his poetic ability, or denigrating Larry David’s comedy based on a phone call to the gas company.

    Perhaps if you were to share a few pints with me, talk for a few hours about, well, whatever really, you might see some of the qualities to which you refer. However if such an eventuality were to arise, which is unlikely, I’m afraid were I to take your approach I would actively avoid it, since you’ve come across in these posts as not only humourless and lacking in imagination and comprehension, but as a pretty unpleasant person.

    By the way, you could learn a thing or two from the “simple phrase” to which you allude above. Instead I’m fairly sure that you’ll fail to grasp the point again, and come back with yet another sarcastic non-sequitur about how you’ve seen wit and humour in my posts…

  • Outsider

    “Im up here now in the milk cup with rovers 17s. i was talking to a few cherry orchard and Crumlin lads and they said that the Orchard lads were shouting out up the ‘Ra to protestant people in the nearby estate. they also had Celtic and Ireland flags hanging out of there windows. both teams are now staying in hotels nearby”

    “And people expect to brandish murder gang symbols and chant up the RA and expect no reaction? Get real. Brushing the facts under the carpet only exacerbates the problem”

    If this is true, are the Milk Cup organisers going to discipline/ban the teams responsible?

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘Shankill Mirror is a very vocal mouthpiece for the “Love Ulster” brand of Unionism.’

    That mouthpiece that writes in it, McVicar i think his name is, is a hypocritical ballb*g !

    Anyway, on thread, some idiots peg a few stones at southern fenians, seen it before, and we’ll se it again, from both sides. Next… !

  • Dave

    “Anyway, on thread, some idiots peg a few stones at southern fenians, seen it before, and we’ll se it again, from both sides. Next… !”

    Yeah, but the point is that they’re southerners: ‘peg’ stones at northern tribes, and leave well-to-do southerners out of it. Try that again and we’ll nuke you (sends rusty 25-year-old army tanks to Dundalk).

  • Paul McMahon

    “If this is true, are the Milk Cup organisers going to discipline/ban the teams responsible”?

    I don’t know Outsider as I haven’t seen any substantiation of the claims regarding the Dublin teams behaviour.

    Tell you what why don’t you post your sources for this supposed discipline accusation and then I won’t have any grounds to accuse you of shit-stirring?

  • Rabelais

    Paul,

    There’s a book called Ulster Loyalism and the British Media by Alan F. Parkinson (I think) that makes a case for the misrepresentation of loyalists in the media. To be honest I read it and it was a bit of a shopping list of grievances without any real analysis. I’ve read similar books from republican perspectives and again, a shopping list of grievances but no real attempt to really understand the supposed misrepresentation other than to blame it on old fashioned perfidy.

    What substance there may be to the notion that republicans are more media savvy than loyalists?

    Well, Holy Cross. I know loyalists felt they had a genuine grievance in North Belfast but did they really think that putting a picket line on a primary school to draw attention to it was going to look good on the media? It’s just one example. I can think of others but generally I think it might be less a case of republicans being more media savvy, and more to do with loyalists/unionists being thoughtless and careless with how they present themselves in public. For instance after Drumcree the international reputation of loyalism was in tatters and you can see the OO trying to rebuild that reputate now with Orangefest and Diamond Dan etc.

    Republicans seem to have invested in and worked at their public reputation. Loyalism and unionism seem to care less about what others think of them. May be they percieve themsleves as self-sufficient. May be its the siege mentality but sometimes I’m reminded of Millwall football supporters who chant ‘nobody loves us and we don’t care’. I suspect therefore that the lamentable public reputation and image of loyalism is not something that will be corrected by mere PR. I think it needs a root and branch rethink by northern Protestants about who they are and how they present themselves to the world at large.

  • Outsider

    Tell you what why don’t you post your sources for this supposed discipline accusation and then I won’t have any grounds to accuse you of shit-stirring?

    Your Correct Paul McMahon, better to simply blame the jaffas and leave it at that.

  • earnan

    One drunken teenager, but still very sad and indicative of the toxic views that still reside in many parts of NI.

    If somehting like this happened in America, with a white kid doing this to two black teams, it would be front page news.

    In NI it hardly warrants passing mention

  • Harry Flashman

    Mike, you’re a true gem, it’s going to be fun debating with you, paragraph after well honed paragraph of “why despite appearances to the contrary, rest assured I can categorically prove that I, Mike, can occasionally be very funny and if I can draw your attention to clause eight, subsection B you will discern great satire”, a real asset to Slugger O’Toole and no mistake.

  • To all you Nordies of either persuasion, I’d just like to tell you that my namesake above is not the self appointed spokesman for the 26 county state and there are many southerners who are just as sectarian as their northern counterparts. Sectarianism is allover Ireland, north and south. Not everyone down here is as fetishistic about the southern state as this guy is. Let’s face it, it’s a banana republic (the soldiers of destiny and their ilk) and cultural satellite outpost of Great Britian (football, TV, shops etc). Dublin is basically a paralell universe British city. Oh and the incident, those Coleraine scum should be horsewhipped, publically.

  • spanishroomscrumpy

    So now a slugger post can be just calling someone a twat, and nothing more?

    Didn’t this used to be a moderated forum once upon a time?

  • austin

    Had to laugh at the self-styled ‘realist'(no sense of irony) and his sanctimonious post about the DC/Shankill Utd game and how this would upset those seeking to create division.
    This from the guy who nearly knocked himself down in the rush to be the first to hint that the Dublin kids had themselves provoked the disgusting, sectarian attack. He then hinted at further revelations to this effect in today’s papers-outcome, a predictable,big fat nothing.

    Realist, my arse.

  • Dave

    dave, you missed your chance to create your 32-county socialist republic – probably because nobody wanted your little worker’s utopia. And if you think you missed anything worthwhile, you’re as deluded as a mosquito floating on its back down the Mississippi River with a hard-on, shouting, “Raise the drawbridge!” 😉

  • Paul McMahon

    Outsider, there’s no blaming anyone here, I’m just trying to deal in the facts as they’re presented to us – Two Dublin football teams were subjected to violent assault and sectarian abuse which has appeared in the local press.

    Windsor Rocker posts an uncorroborated claim that this sectarian abuse is a result of provocation which is then supported by Barnshee. – hearsay becoming fact – which we’ve seen before in Whitehall square in Sandy Row.

    You then SEEM to accept this unsupported scenario by asking about punishment / banning.

    All I’m asking is for substantive sources to this claim be made public, if the best that you can do is some facile remark alleging sectarianism then I imagine that you don’t have any proof to the allegations.

    Rabelais

    I heard another theory for Holy Cross. The UDA contingent that had been expelled from the Shankill in the wake of the UVF/ UDA feud had moved to Glenbryn and were looking for an opportunity to assert their authority. They took this opportunity by jeering the schoolchildren after Drumcree was banned.

    If Republicans have formulated a media strategy then it must be a relatively recent phenomena as they didn’t seem to worry about public opinion in terms that it never stopped Eniskillen etc. If what you say is true re the P/U/L community and a Millwall attitude then they can’t really gurn if they’re shown in a poor light can they?

  • eranu

    chris, i wouldnt say im offended. you’re just showing contempt and disrespect by not using proper terms for anything to do with Northern Ireland etc. perhaps you would be happy enough if unionists used phrases about ‘them mexicans in the free state etc etc’ (or worse) and then said it was a unionist slant on things? you might think you are helping ‘the cause’ by blackening themmuns any way you can, but it really only reflects badly on you and republicans. are you aware of this? its blindingly obvious sometimes that you are loading your sentences to cause as much offence as possible.
    still, counting the digs per paragraph can be amusing 🙂
    cheerio.

  • Doctor Who

    Chris Donnelly

    Eranu asks are you aware of what you do, I am very much of the opinion that you are.

    On the David Healy thread you suggested that there was no evidence that Healy had been subjected to sectarian abuse even though Celtic fans who where at the match are on record as saying he recived banter and sectarian abuse. Your objective on that thread was to round up your usual suspects of cronies into a round of prod and anything NI bashing, while atempting to drag David Healy MBE through the mud.

    On the William of pink thread you used the quip from publicity clown Peter Tatchell for much the same purpose. Of course the humour stopped when it was pointed out there was more substantiated claims for a few in the closet republicans. While on that thread there was a great deal of good humour, however other posters again showed their deep rooted bigotry of anything with an NI / prod / Unionist slant to it. Of course it would be a different matter if it was suggested that Bobby Sands indulged in a bit of bum fun with the evidence being that he was institutioalised in an all male envoirment.

    On this thread we see the actions of a few morons in Coleraine rightly condemned whatever the provocation, however again your motive is to stick the boot in. The usual attacks on Unionism as a whole from the same tired sources. No atempt by yourself to keep any sense of perspective to the thread.

    Usually the differnce between your blogs and say those of Turgon´s is that at least Turgon comes across as generally interested in the other point of view. The Unionist minded bloggers on this sight are also quick to ban Unionist users who spam, troll and deliberately cause offence. You do not moderate your blogs whatsoever or at least there does not seem to be evidence that you do. It seems you are quite happy to sit back and giggle at another sectarian fest.

    On your blog concerning Donegal Celtic´s non inclusion in the bew IPL, you suggested that the decision was sectarian which it clearly was not (Portadown anyone), on that thread I was told by one poster to go and F*** myself, a post you thought was fair comment.

    Your continual use of terminology regarding Northern Ireland is also laugable, one wonders how shameful you must feel when in public you might slip up and say Northern Ireland in coversation.

  • dactur hugh

    ‘…you might slip up and say Northern Ireland in coversation.’
    ‘coversation’? What’s that,Dr.? A slip-up?

  • Doctor Who

    Yawn, Yawn.

    Glad to see you can work the spell checker on your PC although you did have to wait to the very last word. Unfortuately my spell checker is for Spanish use only.

    Irse chupa un huevo tonto.

  • Chris Donnelly

    Doctor Who

    Unfortunately, you again display many of the traits of the type of blogger like eranu whose intolerance of the opinions of others leads you to be offended by chosen vocabulary.

    Again, something you’ll need to deal with beyond drawing the paranoid, self-centred conclusion that the pesky republicans are really only interested in annoying you.

    Secondly, I hate to break it to you but I don’t have authority to moderate threads, that being restricted to a small number of administrating bloggers (I think Mick and Pete)- and, as I’m sure you’ve noticed, no one has probably been subjected to as much ridiculous sectarian bile as myself in the comment zone, much of it never deleted.

    Thirdly, your inability to appreciate the existence of alternative viewpoints beyond that of unionism is something I think you need to address. Slugger is all the better for the existence of bloggers from a wide range of backgrounds- from TUV (Turgon) to Eirigi (Mark). The fact that I have initiated threads on themes that were sensitive to you should lead you to appreciate that, from your unionist background and outlook, not everything is viewed in the same manner by those neighbours of yours who would call themselves nationalists- and indeed probably not by many other unionists.

    There is nothing more ludicrous than some bloggers complaining about issues even being broached when, as in the case of the Healy/ DC/ Milk Cup stories, all three were front page stories on newspapers and well covered in topical programmes like Talkback and Nolan.

  • dactur hugh

    If the good Dr is so protective of this ‘wee pravince’, why doesn’t he return to reside amonst it’s loyal sons and daughters?

  • Driftwood

    A few drunk kids throw a few pebbles and its labelled sectarian abuse by unionists from Brit-bashing armchair rebels. The kids who threw the stones wouldn’t know the difference between the UDA and the IRA (not that there is one).
    Any excuse. It’s obviously all the fault of Carson/Brookeborough/Thatcher/British army/MI5.
    Sad.

  • The Raven

    So, anyway, getting back to the fact that Milk Cup players were threatened by local yobs, highlighting the fact that there is an exceptionally big vacuum in local politics which has disengaged from the Loyalist working class, which pretty much – outside of parts of East Belfast – has no local political voice

    ….…..

    has anyone any solutions apart from:

    1. let’s count how many times Prod teams have been stoned at Greysteel on the way back from Derry, then counter it with Holy Cross, then counter THAT with a Fermanagh Orange Hall being daubed with GAA slogans and flags etc etc ad MOPE nauseum

    2. call them all chavs, laugh at their shellsuits and big hoop earrings and blame “the Brits” for it all

    3. wonder when Chris is going to stop posting nothing but “today a taig got fucked over by a jaffa” threads

    4. tell people living in NI to get out and take your children with you before it all comes crashing down around you?

    Anyone? Anyone at all? Cos frankly, like so many other threads, this has descended into farce. And where it’s not farce, it’s “condemnation”. And when that fails, it’s sliding into “whataboutery”.

    So anyone any solutions? Any deeper-than-just-point-scoring thoughts?

    No. Didn’t think so.

  • Outsider

    Outsider, there’s no blaming anyone here, I’m just trying to deal in the facts as they’re presented to us – Two Dublin football teams were subjected to violent assault and sectarian abuse which has appeared in the local press.

    Windsor Rocker posts an uncorroborated claim that this sectarian abuse is a result of provocation which is then supported by Barnshee. – hearsay becoming fact – which we’ve seen before in Whitehall square in Sandy Row.

    You then SEEM to accept this unsupported scenario by asking about punishment / banning.

    All I’m asking is for substantive sources to this claim be made public, if the best that you can do is some facile remark alleging sectarianism then I imagine that you don’t have any proof to the allegations.

    Paul McMahon

    I am unwilling to accept this was an unprovoked attack, you choose to accept it was unprovoked, we will have to differ on this.

    However the destruction of an Orange hall in Fermanagh has been blamed on youths who burnt GAA flags on the 11th night bonfire.

    A RBP parade through Enniskillen on Sunday had to face taunts from GAA supporters, these things never get a mention.

    I do believe Chris Donnelly has a vendetta against Protestant/Unionists, this has resulted in the low number of Protestants who participate within Slugger. Its a poor state of affairs when there are more Protestant moderators than there are Protestant contributors.

  • Outsider

    #

    Outsider

    Your comments are a joke.

    You usually only come on here to defend the Orange Order – especially when they have been found guilty of using banners/bands commemorating “loyalist” terrorists.

    You never condemn “loyalist” terrorism and, even on a thread like this, which deals with a widely publicised incident of clear sectarian abuse from “loyalists” – you completely ignore the issue and instead attack Chris Donnelly and Nationalist posters in general.

    I’m afraid people such as you and the laughably named ‘PeaceandJustice” are totally transparent.

    If you want to peddle your “it’s all the Taig’s fault” shite amongst yourselves, go ahead.

    Don’t think for 1 second that you are fooling the majority of non-prejudiced. open minded contributors to this site.
    Posted by Billy on Jul 30, 2008 @ 01:43 AM

    Billy

    First of all I hope you are keeping well, its been a long time, I haven’t been on this forum for well over one year now.

    Yes I do defend the OO, however since I have not been on this forum for so long I presume most anti Orange posts now go unchallenged.

    I got fed up with the anti Protestant bigotry that drove me and many other Protestants away from Slugger. This campaign was orchestrated by Sinn Fein IRA, with Chris Donnelly used as their mouthpiece, unfortuntly nothing has changed during my time away. It seems that everyone here is against the Orange culture and way of life.

    Billy if you check the records I have always opposed paramilitary flags at OO parades, but to be Franks there are very few.

  • Dave

    The thing I find most worrying about this is that kids from Dublin’s inner city seem to have been ‘pussified’ since I moved in those circles. In my day, if you called one of those kids some nasty names, they wouldn’t have cried: they’d have kicked the shit out of you.

    What are the odds that the school is considering hiring a counsellor to help the poor traumatised dears because there is some breeding heart policy that mandates it? Everybody is a victim these days…

  • Doctor Who

    Chris Donnelly

    Sorry Chris but your don´t shoot the messenger reply is totally transparent.

    It is not the opening of said threads that I have a problem with it is the slant you take. As I said previously you implied on the Healy thread that there had been no sectarian abuse aimed at Healy by Celtic supporters. This was of course a lie and designed to basically shit stir.

    The problem I have with many bloggers on this site is that they refuse to have any ground rules for debate, and I´m afraid I include you in these people.

    Many comments from republicans start from the basis that Northern Ireland is a sectarian state therfore unionists are sectarian by definition. End of argument.

    Of course if they started from the point of view of I see the inclusion of Northern Ireland as part of the UK as wrong, well that is different completely.

    You make an asumption that i have the inability to appreciate the existence of alternative view points. Absolutely not, Chris you support an organisation who for thirty years supported the murder of people for having different opinions, so open and equal debate is something relatively new to republicans, I can see their difficulty with it. Let be quite clear when I say that to aspire to the idea of a one Ireland state is a valid expression and as valid as aspiring to remain within the UK, no one should ever apologise in the present day for being unionist or republican. Recognition of where we are today should be the ground rules for debate.

    Furthermore within unionism and Protestant identidy there has always been a discerning voice, something that I rarely see within republicanism. For example within the arts Protestant writers tend to analyse the validity of unionism and their attitude to themuns. Marie Jones in her often mis-understood play “A Night In November” uses the character of Kenneth McAlister to represent unionism questioning it´s validity, nationalists often mis-represent this work as one of themuns siding with usuns, which is utter nonsense. Now take Martin Lynch´s “The History Of the Troubles According To My Da”, one long vomit regurgitation offering excuses why people may have joined the ra back in 73, without really questioning it. Within sporting bodies some unionists have also voiced support for all Ireland sporting institutions, many like myself see the merits in an all Ireland football premier league. So this Unionist like many others may disagree with you strongly but I will always try to understand you. This should be reciprocated.

    In connection to this thread if you are not prepared to always condemn violence from whatever source, please don´t pick and choose when you do.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘Many comments from republicans start from the basis that Northern Ireland is a sectarian state therfore unionists are sectarian by definition.’

    Historical fact would not disagree with this hypothesis.

  • Driftwood

    Well said Raven
    Best post of the last bunch by a mile, beat my sarcastic post anyway.
    Notice you’ve been bypassed and no-one engaged with your points.

  • The Raven

    Och sure Driftwood – it would be asking too much.

    But I live in hope. 😉

  • Paul McMahon

    Outsider,

    “I am unwilling to accept this was an unprovoked attack, you choose to accept it was unprovoked, we will have to differ on this”

    I’d be willing to agree to this Outsider if only I knew the reasons WHY you choose to believe that it was unprovoked, I’m asking for you to post a link to your reasoning WHY this is your belief.

    Do you believe it because Windsor Rocker says it, do you believe it because it suits your viewpoint, do you know something we, [and it would seem the police], don’t, were you there?

    I’m asking for the basis of your belief that this sectarian assault was provoked.

    “However the destruction of an Orange hall in Fermanagh has been blamed on youths who burnt GAA flags on the 11th night bonfire. A RBP parade through Enniskillen on Sunday had to face taunts from GAA supporters; these things never get a mention”

    Terrible and, if true, to be utterly condemned. But tell me this Outsider, if these things “never get a mention” then how do you know about them?

    They also, of course, have absolutely fuck all to do with this thread and it seems to me a case of ‘Shit loyalists have something which is completely unjustifiable. I can’t defend it so what can I do?, I know, I’ll demonstrate that themmuns are just as bad but how can I do that? I know the GAA’s always good to stick the boot in’ mentality.

    “I do believe Chris Donnelly has a vendetta against Protestant/Unionists”

    If that’s your belief Outsider I can’t argue with it ‘cos I don’t know CD but I’m sure he can speak for himself.

    “This has resulted in the low number of Protestants who participate within Slugger. Its a poor state of affairs when there are more Protestant moderators than there are Protestant contributors”

    I totally disagree with this claim Outsider. Are you suggesting that CD’s blogs are scaring all the P/U/L’s away? Because the thing is this: I have strongly held views about various things and if someone diametrically opposed to that POV the I’m going to do my damndest to change their minds by argument and debate. This is the nature of blogs like Slugger and if you’re unwilling or unable to defend your convictions then perhaps this isn’t the place for you.

    I have to say Outsider, the above whinge makes you sound like one of those “loyalists/unionists, who are], thoughtless and careless with how they present themselves in public which Rabelais was speaking about earlier.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘call them all chavs, laugh at their shellsuits and big hoop earrings…’

    Raven I think the above would suit everybodies needs. Perhaps if may throw in the suggestion that we have a wholesale ban on the Lurgan champagne or Buckfast, as the tills would know it.

  • Mike

    Harry Flashman –

    “Mike, you’re a true gem, it’s going to be fun debating with you, paragraph after well honed paragraph of “why despite appearances to the contrary, rest assured I can categorically prove that I, Mike, can occasionally be very funny and if I can draw your attention to clause eight, subsection B you will discern great satire”, a real asset to Slugger O’Toole and no mistake.”

    Once again your post contains indications of coming from someone of fairly limited intelligence. I haven’t “drawn your attention to” anything at all that I’ve posted with regard to ‘satire’, ‘wit’, ‘repartee’ or anything else you’ve thrown up – quite the opposite! I’ve pointed out that I haven’t actually attempted to use any of them in what were serious posts on a topic that was non-humourous, and that not finding them there means absolutely feck all squared about whether I display them in real life, or even in different posts.

    Surely that can’t be too difficult to grasp? It’s not too much for your powers of comprehension, is it?

    In conclusion, as for “it’s going to be fun debating with you” (I’ve been posting on Slugger for years, BTW) – why don’t you try debating with me next time, instead of just resorting to personal insults. It would reflect much better on you.

    I bid you goodnight, I’d like you think maybe you’d learnt something from our exchange (not making prounouncements about someone’s personality on the basis of a handful of posts on an internet forum, for example), but sadly I don’t think you’ve been capable of learning this lesson. Ah well, I tried.

  • pfhl

    perhaps you would be happy enough if unionists used phrases about ‘them mexicans in the free state etc etc’

    Posted by eranu on Jul 30, 2008 @ 06:53 PM

    As a man who lived in the south for a year and still refers to many friends there as mexicans. I certainly would not be offended by the term. Either I guess would the many nationalist friends who also use the term, I doubt chris will be offended.

  • POL

    I got fed up with the anti Protestant bigotry that drove me and many other Protestants away from Slugger. This campaign was orchestrated by Sinn Fein IRA, with Chris Donnelly used as their mouthpiece, unfortuntly nothing has changed during my time away. It seems that everyone here is against the Orange culture and way of life.

    lol.Its dem pesky Republicans that done it.Is there anything their not responsible for.

  • pfhl

    If this is true, are the Milk Cup organisers going to discipline/ban the teams responsible?
    Posted by Outsider on Jul 30, 2008 @ 04:48 PM

    What was the crime? What Milk Cup rules did they break? I certainly understand they should not have been shouting,’up the Ra.’ There is no need for it but is it a crime or breach of the rules? I honestly don’t know, there will be instances where it may be considered disorderly or a breach of the peace. Did anybody complain about the behaviour of the individual players? Did the shamrock rovers ultras not fill you in on the complete detail? I know you could not possibly expect punishment for the flying of the irish tricolour or a celtic flag. There definitely was no crime there after all. Could I ask your view on Newcastle being allowed to stay in the premiership after Mr Bartons antics? You must be disgusted.

  • Steve

    I have a solution raven

    Its radical

    its controversial

    its almost entirely unenforcable

    but here goes

    Have parents take responsibility for their brain dead offspring

    On both sides of the divide

    If you 15 year old is down on the corner drinking buckfast with the rest of the clowns go down and kick his ass home. If you arent big enough to kick his ass home fins someone who is

    if your 40 year old is down in the pub getting drunk while his kids are on the cornerdrinking buckfast, go down and kick his ass until he goes down and kicks their ass off the corner

    it mostly worked for our generation

    And for god sakes teach your children ambition not acceptance

    Status quo is no way to go through life

  • Chris Donnelly

    Dr Who

    Let’s take these in order:

    “It is not the opening of said threads that I have a problem with it is the slant you take..”

    In other words, you’re looking for a unionist slant or an opinion-free intro.

    In which case I take it you’ll be posting similar MOPE moans on threads opened by Turgon, Fair Deal and Pete (amongst others) who also (quite validly) incorporate their own opinions and beliefs into thread introductions.

    That you either can’t see this or are unfazed by it is telling.

    “As I said previously you implied on the Healy thread that there had been no sectarian abuse aimed at Healy by Celtic supporters. This was of course a lie and designed to basically shit stir.”

    No, it was a simple admission of the fact that I was not aware of any abuse, though I did suggest it was a likely factor.

    “Many comments from republicans start from the basis that Northern Ireland is a sectarian state therfore unionists are sectarian by definition.”

    Probably true- and there are many comments from unionists which imply catholics/ republicans should go away to “the south/ eire/ ireland(!)” if they want a united Ireland.

    So what? Surely you’re able to live with the fact that Slugger unfortunately attracts many unsophisticated, intransigent, narrow-minded sorts from both communities, as well as the more interesting and challenging commenters.

    Learn to deal with it and skirt over the nonsense like most others do.

    Your comments about supporting murder could equally be turned against you as a unionist supporting the British forces and/ or loyalist paramilitaries (delete if necessary.) If you want that debate, fair enough, but I agree it’s better to concentrate on the here and now.

    As to the most interesting aspect of your post, regarding the discerning Protestant culture in the north, I must say I find it a bit difficult to accept that the unionist tradition has engaged in a more rigorous process of self-analysis than that of northern nationalists- or indeed Irish nationalism/ republicanism on the whole.

    I don’t believe the Unionist political culture has experienced anything akin to the revisionist movement within Irish Nationalism over the past 30 years, nor do I believe that Unionism in the six counties has yet opened up its sacred cows to scrutiny.

    That said, there have been many good books and contributions from individuals- I can think immediately of John Dunlop’s ‘A Precarious Belonging’- and the Marie Jones play you allude to and Susan McKay’s ‘Northern Protestants,’ and, though I couldn’t make my way through all of it (parts too technical about Order), the Rev, Brian Kennaway’s “Orange Order: A Tradition Betrayed” is an informative read.

  • Driftwood

    steve
    I agree with you AND raven.
    All good points.

  • Outsider

    I have to say Outsider, the above whinge makes you sound like one of those “loyalists/unionists, who are], thoughtless and careless with how they present themselves in public which Rabelais was speaking about earlier.

    Paul McMahon

    In that case its clear my kind are not welcome within these forums, I bid you a good night.

  • Doctor Who

    Chris

    Thanks for the very interesting and genuinely thoughtful reply. I do however want to clarify the “slant” I refer to is not you coming from a republican angle but more of an anti unionist/protestant one.

    I do agree that politically republicanism has come a long way, i´m sure there are many reactionaries within provo ranks who found the idea of administering a power sharing executive at Stormont tantamount to surrender. However far from questioning armed struggle the republican movement still tends to glorify it and within it´s own revisionism has never condemned it or seen it as aiding sectarianism in Northern Ireland.

    I do find it strange that while they power share with unionists in the ultimate partitionist institution, they still show disdain for all other northern institutions that don´t follow an all Ireland agenda, even those that see people from nationalist and unionist backgrounds working together.

  • LURIG

    Chris Donnolly,

    I think you provide an invaluable insight into the raw, naked, sectarian, anti-Catholic Bosnian hatred that cuts through much of Unionism like lettering through a stick of rock AND you expose the so called intelligent people who defend this bigotry to the hilt. Confronted with incidents like this, the abuse of Mary McAleese, Holy Cross. Harryville etc they resort to type, bury their heads and blame everybody else for their knuckledragging Stone Age behaviour. The Orange Order/Loyalist paramilitary orchestrated violence on the Springfield Road in 2005 and Drumcree over the last decade demonstrates that Unionism will use violence, murder & threats to maintain their priviliged position and keep the boot on the Taigs in their own wee gerrymandered protectorate. However why should ANYONE be surprised when a sinister apartheid crowd of Orange bigots ran the Frankenstein Northern state for 50 years. After South Africa surely the ‘wee six’ was the most disgusting gerrymandered embarrassment that ever came into existence. It is the Deep Southern US Hokey from Miskokey repeated. Then again after watching Mississippi Burning and seeing the Ulster Scots names of the guily Klansmen who murdered the Black & Jewish Civil Rights workers you could be forgiven for thinking that you were back in Norn Iron.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘In that case its clear my kind are not welcome within these forums, I bid you a good night.’

    Right lads quick, anyone here play the violin, because I sure as hell don’t !

  • Outsider

    Chris Donnolly,

    I think you provide an invaluable insight into the raw, naked, sectarian, anti-Catholic Bosnian hatred that cuts through much of Unionism like lettering through a stick of rock AND you expose the so called intelligent people who defend this bigotry to the hilt. Confronted with incidents like this, the abuse of Mary McAleese, Holy Cross. Harryville etc they resort to type, bury their heads and blame everybody else for their knuckledragging Stone Age behaviour. The Orange Order/Loyalist paramilitary orchestrated violence on the Springfield Road in 2005 and Drumcree over the last decade demonstrates that Unionism will use violence, murder & threats to maintain their priviliged position and keep the boot on the Taigs in their own wee gerrymandered protectorate. However why should ANYONE be surprised when a sinister apartheid crowd of Orange bigots ran the Frankenstein Northern state for 50 years. After South Africa surely the ‘wee six’ was the most disgusting gerrymandered embarrassment that ever came into existence. It is the Deep Southern US Hokey from Miskokey repeated. Then again after watching Mississippi Burning and seeing the Ulster Scots names of the guily Klansmen who murdered the Black & Jewish Civil Rights workers you could be forgiven for thinking that you were back in Norn Iron.

    And people are still claiming this forum is not pushing an anti Protestant agenda???

    Its seems this forum ensures equality for all, however some will receive much more equality than others.

  • Outsider

    Right lads quick, anyone here play the violin, because I sure as hell don’t !

    I thought all good Catholics had violins or would that be fiddles.

  • Paul McMahon

    “In that case its clear my kind are not welcome within these forums, I bid you a good night”

    I didn’t say that and, furthermore, it’s certainly not what I meant but I suspect that you already know that.

    I also note hat you failed to address one single point of my previous post.

  • Doctor Who

    lurig and repubulicanstones

    I guess when Chris commented in his reply to me that Slugger attracted unophisticated, intransigent and narrow minded sorts he possibly had you guys in mind.

  • Doctor Who

    and bad spellers obviously….unsophisticated he wrote.

  • LURIG

    Outsider,

    Dry your eyes, if the truth hurts too bad. I am certainly NOT anti-Protestant or anti-Unionist but I most certainly AM anti-bigotry and if you can’t see the difference that’s your problem. The fact is that many Unionists simply ignore and refuse to face up to their in bred bigotry in the same way that the London Metropolitan Police refused to accept that there was institutionalised racism in their force after the murder of Stephen Lawrence. The fact that it has gone on AND been accepted as part of life since the Northern State came into existence in 1921 is part of the problem why many Unionists can’t see that their superior sectarian attitudes towards Catholics are wrong. It’s like asking the White Afrikaaner or US Southern supremacist to acknowledge that they might be wrong. This is exactly the point Mary McAleese & Fr Alec Reid were making when they said that many Protestants were brought up to hate Catholics and see them as inferior. They were vilfied for simply stating something that was factually correct and indisputable. I’ll give you an example. My uncle emigrated in the late 1960’s. He went to a Catholic secondary school in Belfast in the 1950’s. Six of the top academic pupils in his leaving year were entered into the NI Civil Service entrance exams in the late 1950’s (ALL CATHOLICS). They were ALL told they had failed; 3 of them went on to be school headmasters elsewhere; 2 of them senior teachers and 1 a successful businessman abroad. THAT WAS THE SHAMEFUL REALITY OF THE ROTTEN APARTHEID BIGOTED NORTHERN STATE FOR CATHOLICS.

  • RepublicanStones

    Doctor Who, I think you just proved his point, but not in the way you think. Now go kill them Daleks !

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘I thought all good Catholics had violins or would that be fiddles.’

    Firstly who said anything about me being a good catholic, secondly can you explain what catholicism has to do with violins?

  • pfhl

    I also note hat you failed to address one single point of my previous post.
    Posted by Paul McMahon on Jul 31, 2008 @ 12:01 AM

    I noticed that too. He refused to comment on my point that was addressed to him. I think it may be because he does not enjoy facts. He would much rather paint himself as the poor unionist who is never treated fairly. He has played a trick he addresses the extremes that can be offensive while ignoring anybody with a valid comment so he never has to support his views and can just condemn people for the attitude of a few.

    Outsider,

    Do you understand that somebody can totally oppose unionism and not be anti-protestant? If it is too much for you to understand, I will not be too suprised. I am sure quite a few others would not be gasping in shock either.

  • Doctor Who

    Doctor Who

    ‘Many comments from republicans start from the basis that Northern Ireland is a sectarian state therfore unionists are sectarian by definition.’

    RepublicanStones

    Historical fact would not disagree with this hypothesis.

    Posted by RepublicanStones on Jul 30, 2008 @09:59 PM

    No I think very much that you proved his point and mine, therefore I am going to view your posts as trolling and hence forth just ignore them.

    sweet dreams.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘Do you understand that somebody can totally oppose unionism and not be anti-protestant?’

    Ahh but you see pfhl its the same old cry people use to deflect criticism of zionism….’anti-semite’

  • RepublicanStones

    Are you suggesting the northern statlet wasn’t established along sectarian lines Doctor Phew? Is that your argument? Or do you just accuse anyone who points out uncomfortable realities of being a troll?

  • LURIG

    pfhl,

    Further to what you are saying. I have worked, played football, drank & socialised with good decent Protestant fellas all my life, many of them staunch Unionists but who were fair and OK to me in my career, sport & social life. They were the salt of the earth BUT at the same time there is still a virulant strand of Unionism/Loyalism that is totally intolerant of Nationalism/Catholicism & which yearns for a return to the Bangor Pickypool days of the 50’s when Seamus & Nuala knew their place and Norn Iron was a Protestant State for a Protestant people. It rears it’s ugly head on this board a lot.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    I have no problem in unreservedly condemning the incident in question. These young men should not have had the week of their lives spoilt by a drunken hood who has nothing better to do than intimidate boys 4-5 years younger than him. From what I’ve heard he comes from Harpurs Hill, a good 15 minute walk away from the Cromore accommodation opposite my Uni, so he was either with friends from nearby Ballysally or he went out of his way to cause bother when he heard two Dublin sides were staying there.

    However, what I do have a problem with is the anti-Coleraine, anti-Protestant brigade, such as;

    1) dub: “what is it with coleraine?”

    2) LURIG:This is NOT the first time this has happened at the Milk Cup. A few years ago a Dublin side (Cherry Orchard I think) were booed at a semi-final or final by some spectators. Now you can’t point the finger at the organisers of course but Coleraine and that part the North Derry/Antrim coast is a hotbed of bigoted, racist, sectarian Loyalism. A few weeks ago President McAleese was subjected to raw hatred while many Catholics there have been the victims of abuse and attacks. It will be interesting to see how the revisionist anti-Nationalist Dublin media & press covers this. They have a psychophantic love in with ALL things Unionist & Loyalist and will probably ignore it, say ‘those poor misunderstood Loyalists’ were ONLY provoked by Southern accents, green tops & the Catholic religion OR simply blame Sinn Fein for everything including global warming and the situation in Zimbabwe.

    3) Parnell: Once again the ugly face of sectarianism raises its head and once again Coleraine lives up to its repugnent reputation. Well done lads….NOT!!!!

    Pardon my language, but none of the above posters give two flying fu*ks about the boys of Cherry Orchard and Crumlin United. They are just interested in political point-scoring and putting the boot into Coleraine and everything Protestant and Loyalist. The thug who was arrested doesn’t represent the vast majority of Coleraine people. Yes, we are a staunchly Loyalist town, but we treat our Roman Catholic/nationalist neighbours with as much respect as our fellow Protestants. Putting the boot into the Coleraine people when 99.9% of whom are furious about this attack, only serves to highlight the anti-Protestant bigotry of the above posters and many more like you…

  • Concerned Loyalist

    Bemused & o’neill,

    I was talking about the RTE main TV news reports and I think you know that. Burying something on the website but not following it up on the TV is a cop out. The bigotry against the Fermanagh hurler and young black GAA player was all over the 6.00 and 9.00 TV reports & newspapers YET this wasn’t so don’t give me any of that guff. The usual revisionist faces and columnists in their news reports and weekly & Sunday articles used these as a stick to beat the entire GAA & Nationalist community. They are neither fair, balanced nor independent. The Southern media are a shower of arrogant partitionists quick to stick the boot into Northern Nationalists but totally cowardly when it comes to Unionist/Loyalist bigotry. A case of out of sight out of mind. As someone already said, the Dublin riots of February 2006 were a case in point. We had the same lazy, biased Southern reporters and journalists screaming “…it was all those big rough Northerners wot did it” when in effect it was mostly Dubliners who turned out to protest. I certainly won’t take any lectures or abuse from you two.

    Posted by LURIG on Jul 29, 2008 @ 09:22 PM………………………………………..

    This is “WHATABOUTERY” and “MOPERY” at it’s worst. You’re not interested in the Dublin teenagers, you’re just interested in telling all and sundry how bad us Prods are and how stupid the Free State media is for trying to woo us…SHAME ON YOU!

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    FFS, calm down folks…..

    So I go out to the pub and enjoy a few Guinness, I come back, check out the Sluggar and I see it has descended into another tit fot tat insult slagging match. It’s all your fault,….No, it’s all yours etc…

    Ah come on folks, but where is the little bit of self reflection….Sure we’ll be all dead in about 100 years time, else science and technology will be preserve us all.(god forbid)

    But really, would folk not just examine what they believe in and what they hold dear to themselves now?

    For it is not rock solid!

    Nothing is!

    It’s only opinion!

    It might just prove to be all a lie!

    And it might just change your long held opinions about everything!

    Human beings, that’s us – but are we really that bad… as Thomas Hobbes thought?

    ……maybe we are, I suppose!

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    Are ye’s all tucked up in bed now?

    Bram Stoker’s creation would be so disappointed!

  • Harry Flashman

    @Mike

    “I bid you goodnight, I’d like you think maybe you’d learnt something from our exchange”

    Oh yes Mikey, I learned big time, “dull, humourless and intellectually slow moving” is that the phrase Rabelais used? Well it might not apply to all unionists (actually I know for a fact it doesn’t remotely apply to even most unionists) but it sure as hell fits you mate.

    Lighten up buddy, you’re going to explode if you don’t do something about that anal retention.

  • POL

    The thug who was arrested doesn’t represent the vast majority of Coleraine people. Yes, we are a staunchly Loyalist town, but we treat our Roman Catholic/nationalist neighbours with as much respect as our fellow Protestants. Putting the boot into the Coleraine people when 99.9% of whom are furious about this attack, only serves to highlight the anti-Protestant bigotry of the above posters and many more like you…
    Posted by Concerned Loyalist on Jul 31, 2008 @ 01:43 AM

    Is this the same poster who made a very embittered attack on Danny Kennedy by calling him a liar and stating that catholics in larne were never subject to intimidation.(Healy thread),the reason being, Because you know loyalists in larne and they said so.
    Strange that you can call anyone bigotted, pot and kettle jump to mind.And i dont believe nationalist posters need to tell anyone how bad loyalism is, you do such a good job yourself.

  • Rabelais

    Raven,
    I read your post with interest and appreciate your concern for working class loyalists. They appear unlovely and unloveable in the media and yet their predicament is not entirely of their own making. They are poorly represented outside of East Belfast (and recently lost one of their most articulate spokesperson, David Ervine), while middle class unionism generally despises them, until there is an ’emergency’ and then they are called onto the steets to man the barricades.

    But I really wanted to comment on the main substance of your post – “So anyone any solutions? Any deeper-than-just-point-scoring thoughts? No. Didn’t think so.”

    The length of this discussion thread and the tit-for-tat quality of it are testament to the fact that there is no solution to the conflict over Northern Ireland; no win-win solution anyway, in the terms that the Agreement was presented to us. I suspect that sooner or later one side will have to lose, be beaten, concede defeat. I think republicans and unionists understand that and that is why the discussion here is tantamount to lobbing discursive bricks at one another. No one is looking for a solution, they are looking not to get beaten.

  • Charlie

    Thought that the whole nature of Irish/Scots/Scots-Irish/Ulster sectarianism & the finger-pointing blame culture surrounding it was neatly encapsulated in a comment Brian Reade made in the Mirror on Saturday:

    “What I’d say to those Celtic fans who exploded with rage after Fulham’s David Healy played an imaginary flute at Craven Cottage: Have a word with yourselves. Your fans had been singing to the Protestant-born Ulsterman “where were you on the 12th” and he gave his reply, with a big smile on his face, pretending to be in an Orange band.

    Those who took to the forums calling for criminal proceedings to be brought on race-hate grounds should log back on and re-read their pay-off lines. “Orange ****” and “Dirty Hun b******” were two that caught the eye. We all know the score here Bhoys. So drop the moral outrage. It looks a bit phoney.”

    Amen to that

  • Outsider

    I totally disagree with this claim Outsider. Are you suggesting that CD’s blogs are scaring all the P/U/L’s away? Because the thing is this: I have strongly held views about various things and if someone diametrically opposed to that POV the I’m going to do my damndest to change their minds by argument and debate. This is the nature of blogs like Slugger and if you’re unwilling or unable to defend your convictions then perhaps this isn’t the place for you.

    Paul McMahon

    I will address the above point you made. I was and still am happy to defend who I am, however when there is such a sustained attack against my community via this forum, it becomes pointless trying to argue my points of view.

    Chris Donnelly at no time has ever tried to understand the Protestant community, his threads all amount to nothing more than attacks as the Protestant community.

    We are not perfect but we are not the sectarian low life’s many including Chris Donnelly would have you believe.

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    Hey Lurig man,

    was it you that wrote that letter into that rag of a newspaper the ‘Irish Indo’ complaining about sectarianism in NI?

    I read it and thought of you man!

  • Sport Without Borders

    I’m sure despite our differences, we’ll all want to pull together and congratulate the NI elite squad on their 2-1 win over Chile tonight.
    Well done lads!!

  • Doctor Who

    Sport Without Borders

    Absolutely, a group of lads from both sides of the fence, should make all of us proud.

    Unfortuately too many feed off the negatives and blame themuns.

    Chris how about a NI Elite victory thread. I´ll even title it for you, what about From Sour To Sweet.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    Is this the same poster who made a very embittered attack on Danny Kennedy by calling him a liar and stating that catholics in larne were never subject to intimidation.(Healy thread),the reason being, Because you know loyalists in larne and they said so.
    Strange that you can call anyone bigotted, pot and kettle jump to mind.And i dont believe nationalist posters need to tell anyone how bad loyalism is, you do such a good job yourself.

    Posted by POL on Jul 31, 2008 @ 09:49 AM
    …………………………………………..

    Is this the same poster who made a very embittered attack on Concerned Loyalist by calling him a bigot and stating that Protestants in Newtownbutler (http://www.portadowndistrictlolno1.co.uk/27-07-2000.htm) were never subject to intimidation,the reason being, Because you know republicans in Fermanagh and they said so.
    Strange that you can call anyone bigoted, pot and kettle jump to mind.And i dont believe loyalist posters need to tell anyone how bad nationalism is, you do such a good job yourself.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    Chris Donnelly at no time has ever tried to understand the Protestant community, his threads all amount to nothing more than attacks as the Protestant community.

    We are not perfect but we are not the sectarian low life’s many including Chris Donnelly would have you believe.

    Posted by Outsider on Jul 31, 2008 @ 05:32 PM…………………………………………

    My sentiments exactly.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    I’m sure despite our differences, we’ll all want to pull together and congratulate the NI elite squad on their 2-1 win over Chile tonight.
    Well done lads!!

    Posted by Sport Without Borders on Aug 01, 2008 @ 08:37 PM……………………………………

    Well said, mate. Andrew Little of Rangers (No.9) was superb at leading the line, scoring the decisive second goal as it turned out. Surely he’ll make a breakthrough in the senior ‘Gers and Norn Iron sides in the not too distant future. Philip Lowry plays with my mate at Institute and had a good game too in midfield and Howard Beverland, a pupil at my old school, was on the bench, providing hope that Irish League football has a few bright new stars now that Pistol Pete Thompson, my beloved Coleraine’s arch-nemesis, plys his trade in Greater Manchester with Stockport County…

  • Hardworking Stephen Nolan Fan Club

    “so why is it some parts of the UK don’t accept Northern Irish or Scottish Sterling?”

    Could it be because it is not legal tender?

  • pfhl

    Surely he’ll make a breakthrough in the senior ‘Gers and Norn Iron sides in the not too distant future.

    Posted by Concerned Loyalist on Aug 02, 2008 @ 10:30 PM

    It should not be too hard considering how crap Kenny ‘kiss the badge’ miller is. lol

  • Concerned Loyalist

    Are you a Bluenose like me who despises Kenny Miller and his lies and lack of loyalty, or are you a Celt who has found the transfer hilarious? I don’t blame Smelltic supporters for having a good laugh at us. Judas Miller should never have been brought back, especially when we have better players who can play up front in Darcheville, Cousin, Novo, Beasley, McCulloch and Lafferty. I’m not too sure about Velicka, I don’t know if he’s going to be a success at the club…

  • Concerned Loyalist

    I just noticed your e-mail address, you’re obviously a Celt…

  • pfhl

    It was a very funny transfer. We agree on something Concerned Loyalist, there is a first I think. lol

  • Concerned Loyalist

    Well maybe you’ll agree with me again. Don’t you think Chris Donnelly should start a new thread on the Milk Cup, congratulating the Northern Ireland Under-20 “Elite” Section winners and the Co. Tyrone Under-16 Dunluce Trophy Winners. I was also over-the-moon at United outplaying all before them on their way to the Under-16 crown…

  • Sorry off topic, but rangers were utter shite yesterday, completely outclassed by Liverpool, practically the whole game was played in the opposition’s half, Liverpool and all the Catholic Spaniards and one Paddy taught them a lesson. Of course they booed and jeered Robbie Keane he touched the ball, but fuck em, they were whipped.

  • john williams

    I just want to say that there is two sides to every story and the media have only took one side.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    Sorry off topic, but rangers were utter shite yesterday, completely outclassed by Liverpool, practically the whole game was played in the opposition’s half, Liverpool and all the Catholic Spaniards and one Paddy taught them a lesson. Of course they booed and jeered Robbie Keane he touched the ball, but fuck em, they were whipped.

    Posted by liverpool-lou on Aug 03, 2008 @ 09:01 PM………………………………………..

    Are the moderators on here sleeping? Get this sectarian bollocks removed!

  • Loncerned Coyalist

    So jeering David Healy MBE is incorrect but jeering Robbie Keane is all right.

  • The Southerners should have played at the local GAA grounds. Let’s face it: Ulster’s Protestants do not belong in polite society. They are low class vermin. This is what they do. It is their raison d’etre.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘Are the moderators on here sleeping? Get this sectarian bollocks removed!’

    Strange, i thought you found it funny considering you re-posted it !!!!!!

  • RepublicanStones

    Oswald do bugger off you false flag muppet, and take that Stormfront bullshit with you !

  • Concerned Loyalist, you’d want to be more concerned about that bag of shite called Rangers who were knocked out of the first preliminaries of the champions league last night HA HA! Schadenfreude!