Ireland poised to say No…

There’s a working assumption on RTE that the heavy No tallies in the Referendum will indicate a final answer. Of course, it should be treated with some caution, since the early tallies are coming from the smaller constituencies. Though, the telling figures are coming from Dublin where the Noes are currently outweighing the Yeses.

Several quick thoughts come to mind. Such a comprehensive defeat for all the Dail parties (with the notable exception of Sinn Fein) is an indictment of the distance between the people and the politics being pursued at the top. In particular the main government party, who negotiated the Treaty in the first place. It seems to confirm Fintan O’Toole’s black hole theory of Bertie Ahern’s politics.

Politically, watch Libertas. The European Elections next year provide them with an opportunity to run the organisation out as a political party. They are keeping mum about that now, but I expect we’ll hear more in the coming weeks and months.

Sinn Fein have to have earned something out this too. Their platform has been noticable for its youth, articulacy and intelligence. Gerry Adams only making a late entry to the campaign and the party’s TDs were notable by their absence. Senator Pearse Doherty, MEP Mary Lou McDonald, Councillor Killian Ford and Eoin O’Broin were the public face of the party.

A resounding YES will constitute a successful launch in the case of one, and a successful relaunch in the case of the other.

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  • Suilven

    Surely you mean a resounding NO, Mick?

  • anon

    Waterford have rejected it.

  • Dewi

    Mick your Noes and Yesses are confused throughout. The link to Dublin shows Dublin voting Yes and Suilven’s made the resounding point.

  • Dewi

    Sorry…..u might have been right about Dublin.

    “Counting in Dublin South-West has now been completed with the vote also going to the No side at 65-35.”

  • Mick Fealty

    Suilven,

    Looks pretty convincing from where I’m sitting.

  • Mick,

    A resounding YES will constitute a successful launch in the case of one, and a successful relaunch in the case of the other.

    I think what Suilven meant was that your last sentence (copied above) should have read “A resounding NO will constitute a successful launch in the case of one, and a successful relaunch in the case of the other.”

    Otherwise its a bit meaningless.

  • There is no clearer indication of the class divide in this vote than the two adjoining constituencies, Dublin South and Dublin South-West:

    Dublin South – fairly middle-class – 62.9% Yes, 37.1% No
    Dublin South-West – more working-class – 65.1% No, 34.9% Yes

    Side by side, but complete opposites!

  • Dewi

    Yeah Horesman – but what about the Yes in County Clare? Incongruous.

  • Dewi

    Ulster says a resounding No – where have I heard that before.

  • This is great news. Sinn Fein IRA had nothing to do with this. There was some dude from Chad on BBC who voted Yes. Who are these New Irish? Are they pawns of the New World Order?

  • “Politically, watch Libertas. The European Elections next year provide them with an opportunity to run the organisation out as a political party. They are keeping mum about that now, but I expect we’ll hear more in the coming weeks and months.”

    Except they are a private outfit, serving private business interests specificaly engineered to have the facade of a political party.

    Expect them to disappear into the night… job done.

  • horseman

    It is hardly surprising that working class people have opposed this treaty/constitution, we have gained least over the last few years from EU membership and in the main are firmly against the privatization and neo liberal economics and globalization that is enshrined in the Lisbon Treaty. Whereas the Middle classes still have their snouts in the EU gravy train, for how much longer id debatable?.

    Of course the reason the Irish political establishment failed to explain the Treaty in the campaign was not because it was to complex as the arrogant buggers claimed, but because they new if they opened up such a debate even more people would have voted no.

    There arrogance as Ireland enters a recession smacked of desperation, as in the current political climate few people are liable to trust the very people who have helped create the current mess. The majority of the electorate trusted their own instincts and they were right to do so.