“Tell the police about IRA business, do you think I am f****** nuts”.

The Sunday Independent has been following the Robert McCartney murder inquiry.

Adds: Suzanne Breen has more detail to add here. H/T Dec.

On Friday, before the murder trial was adjourned, Gowdy gave more details of his meetings with the IRA during further difficult cross examination by Mr. Lyttle for Fitzpatrick. He said the first visit from the IRA lasted about one hour and was for the organisation’s “fact finding” purposes.

He had two further meetings with the IRA which lasted about three hours each during which he told its representatives the story of what happened “and who was there” when Robert McCartney was killed. There were two further meetings with the IRA after he made his affidavit to police on March 10, 2005.

When Mr. Lyttle asked him if he had told the police about these meetings with the IRA Gowdy erupted angrily saying “Tell the police about IRA business, do you think I am f****** nuts”.

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  • Is the IRA the group who “helpfully” threatened to shoot dead those who beat McCartney to death?Is one of the late McCartney’s assailants a child sex abuser and an IRA “volunteer”? Have Sinn Fein anything to say about this?
    Are Sinn Fein and/or the IRA inbolved in any other ongoing thuggery/

  • percy

    Did you have to Mick?
    Watch how this thread goes…..

  • Dec

    After reading that fawning report, I’m forced to conclude Alan Murray was somewhat taken with Mr Gowdy in court last week.

    Suzanne Breen’s piece in the Sunday Tribune (via Newshound) is a bit more balanced and includes a few gems: how Mr Gowdy claimed in court that Donna McCartney was a ‘liar’, how the Police were about to charge him with withholding evidence and how he didn’t defend his friends because he was wearing expensive glasses and didn’t want them damaged.
    The only reasonable conclusion to draw from Mr Gowdy’s evidence is that you should be thankful he’s not your ‘best friend’.

  • The QCs and Mr Gowdy live in rather different worlds:

    Later, during questioning about events in the bar when the fracas first began he said to Mr Lyttle, “What are you on about”, “wise up” and “catch yourself on”, to the amusement of the public gallery. ..

    Mr. Lyttle had suggested that Gowdy in reply to the Judge had said he had gone outside the pub on previous occasions only to have a cigarette, not to have a cigarette and make phone calls from his mobile.

    When the tape replay proved Gowdy to be correct he retorted “You ask me to remember what happened three and a half years ago and you can’t remember what happened five minutes ago”.

  • Harry Flashman

    Why do I find myself liking this guy Gowdy so much?

  • Mick Fealty

    Added that dec.

  • paul kielty

    What! How many pints? Jesus…; and on top of that Mr. Devines own admission that he had a £1000 per week cocaine habit! Was this shared by his ‘best friends’? Really, how much do Belfast bouncers earn in a week? Well, Devine supplemented his habit by the occasional armed robbery. Get something straight…Mr Macartney should not have been killed….period. What I and a lot of people find alarming is the whole political bandwagon effect that this case has envoked. Working class republicans despise his relatives whom they call stickies. Working class unionism despise his relatives for the fact that they claimed to be sinn fein voters (dubious), so the logic went…it was OK to vote SF when they were killing ‘protestants’, but when they killed one of their own, well, thats a different story.( I personnally reject this analysis, but it was put to me by a few unionist friends). Some relatives I know have campaigned for decades for justice for their loved ones whom were killed, and have been roundly ignored. Yet, within weeks the McCartney family were being flown to the whitehouse and downing street.The whole manner of the McCartney campaign deserves close scutiny. Heirarchy of victims? You tell me.

  • earnan

    Gowdy must have good control of himself not to fight back after 15 pints and god knows how much cocaine.

    I bet everyone involved in that fracas was blackout drunk or near it

  • Dec

    Gowdy must have good control of himself not to fight back after 15 pints and god knows how much cocaine.

    To be fair he had his new glasses on, a pint to finish (his 12th presumably) and a taxi booked to take him to a purely platonic female friend’s house.

  • Dave O’Connell

    Are Sinn Fein and/or the IRA inbolved in any other ongoing thuggery/

    Is The McCartney situation not enough to be going on with?

    Surely people vote SF on the basis that they have these men on their side. The McCartney sisters can’t claim to be too surprised in the end up. Or is it just when the violence is used on their kith and kin?

  • Shore Road Resident

    Really Mr Paul Kielty, if there is no hierarchy of victims and all victims deserve justice then I’m not sure why you feel the need to post a character-assassinating diatribe against the deceased. The McCartney case has certainly highlighted the moral squalor of the paramilitary-“community” nexus. And so have you.

  • Turgon

    Dec,
    Without wishing to make fun after 12 pints I would not be surprised if Mr. Gowdy’s relationship with the lady in question was platonic, at least on that occasion.

  • McGrath

    Alcoholism, drug addition, infidelity, complete corruption and not to mention callous disregard for human life. And people like this have political influence? People like this dictate political outcomes?

    I was going to ask how our political system could allow its self to be compromised by such detritus. Then I realized that my first paragraph largely describes the first noun in this paragraph.

  • Paul: What is your logic? Is it that no Sinn Fein crime should be examined or followed up unless you and everyone like you are fully satisfied that all your pet peeves have been taken care of? No wonder organised crime flourishes both in the backc alleys and the polling booths.

  • P Bradley

    Paul Kielty ‘Some relatives I know have campaigned for decades for justice for their loved ones whom were killed, and have been roundly ignored. Yet, within weeks the McCartney family were being flown to the whitehouse and downing street.The whole manner of the McCartney campaign deserves close scutiny. Heirarchy of victims? You tell me.’

    Please tell us – did your friends get to sit in the front row at a Sinn Fein Ard Fheis?

  • earnan

    i read what was added.

    this witness isn’t exactly the most credible. it would be hard to convict on this testimony alone

  • flycatcher

    On the credibility of Mr. Gowdy as a witness-has none of our intrepid journalists made the link with the recent Asset Recovery Agency’s ‘agreement’ with Mr. and Mrs. Gowdy?

    The copious pints of Magners have to be paid somehow…

  • paul kielty

    Shore road resident, I think I refrained from “….a character assasinating diatribe against the deceased….”. My point being, that a lot of people were uneasy to say the least about the blatant favouritism that the McCartney campaign was given. Unfortunately, if I were to have very close and long friendships with people of the calibre of Mr.Devine and Mr.Gowdy, I wouldn’t have to many decent friends.

    Dave O’Connell, Strange that you should question anyones logic, judging by your own ( If you are so anti crime, what is your view on messers. Devine and Gowdy?). As for the defendants in this case, they are before the courts so let justice take its course.

    P.Bradley…., not sure what you are implying, but the answer to your question is definately no!