Down versus Kerry 1960…

Here’s some compensation from an earlier date at Croke Park… Co Down’s first All Ireland victory in 1960… Nice vintage photgraphy and a nice result… And this is what they did the year after… Though it is the 68 team I remember watching first…

  • PeaceandJustice

    Why promote GAA on Slugger when it glorifies terrorism and murderers?

  • Wonderful stuff Mick.

    Have you read Dublin – Kerry by Tom Humphries?. He has a great word for the Down greats of the 60’s. As a Dub with a Down son I live in hope he will play for one or other some day. Personally I am still hurting from 95!!!

    ps – Ulster teams played a lovely game then. I’ll be in Cross on the 30th for Dublin – Armagh.

  • austin

    Classic clip-the game seemed much more open and fast-flowing then. What was the attendance at that game?

  • Ulsters my homeland

    [i]”Why promote GAA on Slugger when it glorifies terrorism and murderers?” [/i]

    I would also like to hear the answer to this question also.

    It would seem there are those who share this wee country with us who don’t give a damn about the other side of the community who have had family murdered by the scumbags the GAA supports.

  • pfhl

    P&J;is such an asshole

  • Mark McGregor

    P&J;, Ulster is..,

    You may be better suited to this site

  • pfhl

    why pay taxes when they supported terrorism? I do not expect an answer to this though it is a much more valid question than that ask by P&J;.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Mark McGregor, so i’m a troll because I complain against the GAA supporting terrorists and murderers? This is a democratic country and not a GAA controlled fascist one yet.

  • RepublicanStones

    Ulster was home to people long before you UMH.

  • GAA Man

    Top All-Ireland Attendances FOOTBALL 1. 90556 Down v Offaly 1961 2. 87768 Down v Kerry 1960 3. 87106 Dublin v Galway 1963 4. 87102 Kerry v Dublin 1955

    I am not sure if Troll was there however.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    RepublicanStones [i]”Ulster was home to people long before you UMH.”[/i]

    correct and they were also true Ulstermen who had nothing to do with he Gaels in the South.

  • Mick Fealty

    Right, before this gets (any more) ridiculous, and I go to an early bed, let me try to answer UMH first.

    There is nothing in the material linked to above that has anything to do with the IRA. It’s a simple piece of sporting nostalgia. The Down team of 1960 was the first team from Northern Ireland to win an All Ireland Championship. Sean O’Neill was an all time exponent of the game.

    Not every GAA story that gets blogged here is quite so soft focus, like Antrim giving over Casement Park for Republican commemorations, or the sectarian abuse levelled at a single hurling player in Fermanagh… I’ve no problem with such stories being aired here when they come up.

    But going off on one about the whole organisation when something positive gets said about them is simply playing the same game some nationalist commenters get into when it comes to the Orange Order.

    Like it or not, both organisations are large organs of civil society in their respective communities. Both have problems finding full acceptance by the other. But I don’t see that as a reason for screening out their ‘good stories’.

  • The hind tit

    I know some of you guys are really keen on arguing, but this is ridiculous. It’s only a game. If you’re worried about it being played on the sabbath then don’t worry. The sabbath is actually on Saturday. 🙂

  • Rory

    Thanks for that, Mick. Having attended both the 1960 and 1961 finals (and the preceding semi-finals) I was enthralled. I find that wherever I go when I meet a group of Irishman who learn that I am from County Down, sooner or later one of them will start to recall the achievments of that team and to recite the litany of names; Séan O’Neill; Jarlath Carey;the McCartan Brothers; Paddy Doherty…. They seem to have achieved an immortality matched only by the Manchester Utd team of Munich ill fate. Séan O’Neill in particular is often cited as the most beautiful player of Gaelic football in living recall, though I suppose others too have their champions.

    I wasn’t at the 1968 final but the footage you linked showed that they were awesome indeed – the speed, the quick and low passes bamboozled the opposition and in some begrudging quarters led to the charge that Down, under their Dundrum trainer, Dan Flynn, were introducing ‘foreign elements’ (read “soccer”) into the game.

  • Declan Thar Lear

    I liked the description of how the Down football teams of that era introduced such novel concepts as off-the-ball running and togging the team out in matching tracksuits!

    Down has often been an innovative force in GAA though. The most recent example of this has been in the county’s innovative – if rather cheeky – fielding of two county hurling teams in Div 2 and Div 4 respectively…An Dún Theas abu!

  • Dubh driocht

    Fair comment Mick, but I cannot go with equating the GAA and the Orange Order.The GAA is an Irish organistaion which includes a broad spectrum of Irish opinion and clubs have the right to name themselves after patriots or former members,in the same way that other members would have spent their lives opposing republican violence.However, the Association as a whole is non-political and does fantastic work in providing discipline and leadership to our young people.The ethos is one of inclusivity and openess centred around Irish culture and tradition.IMO the complete opposite of the exclusivity and intolerance of the Orange Order.Now that’s fine, if people want to join such an organisation.But it serves a very different function to the GAA.

  • pith

    Very atmospheric even for a non-GAA follower. I’m assuming the commentary is Michael O’Hehir. Is that right? Don’t belt if that is a silly question.

  • Mick Fealty

    DD,

    I did not equate the GAA with the OO. What I said was that “both have problems finding full acceptance by the other”, and both are subject to the same game by their critics. In short, I don’t see why either should be allowed to duck their problems and inconsistencies.

    But I don’t see why every story about either organisation has to be inflected with a comprehensive recounting of their weaknesses, as a means of obfuscating their strengths.

  • Lenny

    The 68 team is the one I also remember. As a young Galway supporter my main memory of the semi final was Danny Kelly conceding two controversial goals, one a penalty and the other a high ball which he caught but the umpire flagged a goal stating that Kelly was inside the line. Down won by 2 points but I think the score line flattered Galway.

  • willowfield

    However, the Association as a whole is non-political

    LOL

  • UlsterGAA

    Seeing that the 60’s teams were way beyond my time,its great to see clips of our proud county’s achievements.
    Who knows maybe Ross and DJ will bring us back to the promised land of Croker in the near future!!!.

    As for the unionists on here’s attacks on the GAA.They attack anything the nationalist population of the north of ireland hold dear to their hearts. It sickens them to see us integrate with our southern breathern all year round, while they have no such way’s to connect with their fellow british citizens in England,Scotland and Wales.
    Jealousy isnt a very nice thing.

  • darth rumsfeld

    “However, the Association as a whole is non-political

    LOL

    Posted by willowfield on Mar 10, 2008 @ 12:25 PM”

    actually I agree with this view. The roots of the GAA were political, but most members I know are primarily interested in sport ( and..er drink). They love their sport and work incredibly hard at promoting it, as well as generating a strong sense of community in local parishes. The Orange Order was certainly a para-military group in 1795 but it’s not now. It too promotes strong community feelings and does much positive work.

    “The ethos is one of inclusivity and openess centred around Irish culture and tradition.IMO the complete opposite of the exclusivity and intolerance of the Orange Order.”

    I don’t agree with this though…
    The Irishness espoused by the GAA is not mine, and never can be. It’s exclusive in a less blatant way than Orange exclusiveness, so that kids from black, Asian or other backgrounds never have to confront it, and just enjoy the games.

    If it can develop a way to acknowledge the other form of Irishness it will benefit enormously, but that will be difficult in the extreme. Sacred cows will have to be slaughtered. Those of us from outside have to show goodwill, understanding and patience. The clue is in this thread- glorying in a sporting victory is normal and healthy behaviour, not genuflecting to the IRA or its agenda past or present. I doubt many members would leave a club if it renamed from – say Kevin Lynch’s to Dungiven (or after the local saint)

  • CW

    Fair point, Darth, but what do you propose the GAA should do to acknowledge this “other form of Irishness”?

    Personally, I think GAA threads (as well as NI soccer/Irish rugby threads) on this blog should discuss the games only and not politics as there are other places for such discussions, but since the debate has evolved in this way, you may find this article of interest:
    http://www.anfearrua.com/story.asp?id=2602
    http://www.anfearrua.com/story.asp?id=2608

  • DermoDJ

    Mick,
    Am doing a gig soon in honour of the 1960 team’s achivement. They will all be there or at least represented.
    I would love to have that video to show at the gigt. Any advice or guidance on how I might do this? Cheers.