Sinn Fein’s compromised past refuses to go away…

The shock that is supposedly going to come out of the Eames Bradley inquiry into the past may be the extent to which British authorities had inflitrated the Provisional IRA, and the number of atrocities that apparently were allowed to go ahead with the full knowledge of those authorities. Still, in peace time each time a fresh revelation hits the public domain, the collateral damage seems only to fall one way. The question for Sinn Fein strategists is how to get beyond its compromised Northern Irish past towards a viable all island future.

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  • slug

    I would be happy for quite a lot of truth to come out on the British side. The extent of inflitration of the IRA and the conflicts that arose may well be a good lesson for future governments to internalise.

  • DaithiO

    Fair points you make there Mick. Maybe why this stuff is drip-fed at crucial moments. Let’s have some truth and reconciliation, all this stuff in the public domain so it cannot be used as political weaponry by the authorities.

    Tohill, Northern Bank, Paul Quinn, informers, all sticks to beat the shinners with. It seems those who complain most about the war are the ones least able to cope with the peace!

  • Tohill, Northern Bank, Paul Quinn, informers, all sticks to beat the shinners with.

    Oh, get over yourself. The IRA (or people connected to it) murder a couple of people, kidnap somebody else, rob a bank and turn out to have been run by the Brits all along, but according to you it’s all just a plot to undermine the Shinners. Sure, there are no real issues here and Republicans have never so much as called a peeler an “orange bastard” in action.

    They say when a child is newly born it doesn’t really understand the concept of other people, so it, quite naturally, assumes the world revolves around it. You are that baby Daithi.

  • DaithiO

    Would appreciate it if you addressed the issues I raise and not attack me personally, Sammy!

    I forgot to mention Robert McCartney too.

    You see it’s very easy to blame an organisation, there is no law to protect an organisation from unsubstantiated claims and accusations that there are to protect individuals.

    The likes of Myers/Breene and other lazy journos, are quick to point the finger, despite years later there being no proof that the PIRA were involved, yet their lazy words are enough to plant the thought into the minds of the man on the street, just enough for the status quo to be maintained.

    Sammy maybe I’m that baby, are you that man in the street who is led my the nose by innuendo?

  • sumfoolery

    “Britain’s compromised past refuse to go away” would have been just as useful, but of course that might give people the wrong idea about the author’s perspective. Poor Mick…The fact that Britain collaborated with IRA killers doesn’t seem to raise any issues worth mentioning, what a shocker.

  • sumfoolery

    “Britain’s compromised past refuses to go away” would have been just as useful, but of course that might give people the wrong idea about the author’s perspective. Poor Mick…The fact that Britain collaborated with IRA killers doesn’t seem to raise any issues worth mentioning, what a shocker.

  • nmc

    The IRA (or people connected to it) murder a couple of people, kidnap somebody else, rob a bank

    Any proof? So who’s word are we going on that the IRA was responsible for any of the above? Are we going on your word? Or maybe the indubitable Paisley (senior or junior) who has never uttered an untrue word in his life?

    and turn out to have been run by the Brits all along,

    Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn’t. You, along with the rest of us don’t know. It’s funny how mud slinging is ok when there’s no proof – but only when you’re talking about certain people.

    Sure, there are no real issues here and Republicans have never so much as called a peeler an “orange bastard” in action.

    Now you’re being silly. No-one other than yourself has made such a statement, and I suggest that no-one will, at least not with a straight face.

  • nmc

    Sumfoolery,

    agreed. Here’s another pice of misdirection:

    In fact the ongoing problem is Sinn Féin’s: its violent past simply refuses to go away.

    When did SF express a desire to see the past forgotten? I remember seeing a link to an article about Adam’s views on keeping real with the Republican past – usually trotted out in an anti SF context, which suggested that SF were proud of their past. In fact I’ve heard numerous SFers expressing pride at their part in physical force republicanism, and none suggesting that we should forget the past.

    How I would read the statement above is this: If Mick were SF, one of his goals would be to let the past go away, and in this respect SF is currently failing. It’s not a SF problem, it’s an example of what would be a problem if Mick were SF. So it’s not a problem, it’s an opinion of someone not in the party.

    Another line that caught my attention:

    And each time another fragment of its “secret history” becomes public, its democratic credentials tarnish just a little bit more.

    So it’s democratic credentials are being tarnished now? I would have thought the democratic credentials would have been at their most tarnished while the IRA were killing people. But it turns out I was wrong, their democratic credentials were at their highest while people were being killed. It was once they stopped violence that their “democratic credentials” were tarnished. Or even better, their democratic credentials were tarnished because the British had informers in SF. LOL. ROFL. The truth is that their democratic credentials have never been better, this because they are in a democracy, not using violence and answerable to the voters.

    This unless you’re Mick, in which case their democratic credentials were impeccable until they put the guns away.

  • URQUHART

    As someone smarter than me said, “Collusion is not an Illusion”.

    Disband the IRA.

  • Quaysider

    I love how the fact that this site is beyond SF control drives the drones up the wall.
    I don’t love how this seems to upset them far more than the murder of Paul Quinn.

  • Twinbrook

    So the British State run murderers….nothing new there but please don`t mention any of the loyalist groups, groups which still openly muder, maim, rob, peddle drugs and all under the watchful control of the British State….

    Collusion still occurs and wull continue to occur whilst the British Secret Service is above the law and totally unaccountable and able to hide behind the mask of “national security”…

    All groups involved in this conflict have skeletons and painful as it may be… these need to be out in the open….

    Now is it fair or right that the British Government itself, refuses to accept direct responsibility for the actions of all of its numerous miltary arms?

    Lest we forget, there isn`t a party,and that includes those who would like to portray themselves as squeaky clean constitutionalists both Nationalist and Unionist, who haven`t at one time or another had informers in their ranks on the pay of the British Secret Service….

    Wouldn`t it be the interest of the British State to have its finger in every pie!!!!

  • A group of leprachauns spirited Bobby Tohill out of the pub.

    A group of evil elemental spirits beat Robert McCartney to death. “McCartneys bore me” said the graffiti on the wall – put their by random nihilistic but still media aware teenage vandals, no doubt.

    The Northern Bank robbed itself in an inside job.

    And Paul Quinn was a ‘fuel smuggler’.

    And the Brits were behind all those incidents anyway.

    Of course, silly me.

    There’s no doubt that the Brits ran a dirty war. The Ra ran an even dirtier war that killed a lot more people. Neither the Brits nor the Ra have shown any interest in truth or justice in relation to the war.

    Republicans now seem to be living in denial about things that would have been considered heroic acts of war a decade ago. It’s a bit pathetic really. If you want to run the country, you’d better learn to take a bit of responsibility.

  • Twinbrook-

    Who exactly is ignoring the collusion of loyalist paramilitaries? Who is saying that the British state’s role should be ignored? All collusion should be investigated and brought out into the open. I’m sure you’d agree. However, given that the provisional movement has been probobly the most shrill in complaining about collusion, it is indeed ironic that the facts show that their own ranks were filled with agents- that’s what makes it newsworthy.

    Reveal all about loyalists. Reveal all about ‘republicans’. Reveal all about the British secret service. Anyone who has nothing to hide has nothing to worry about.

  • IRIA

    “There’s no doubt that the Brits ran a dirty war. The Ra ran an even dirtier war that killed a lot more people… ” Isn’t that sort of the point of this thread: that yes, the Ra ran a dirty war and aren’t just a bunch of “victims”, but a lot of the dirty tactics was known, ordered, carried out, then swept under the rug by the British Gov’t , to protect a source?

    We all know the “big boys rules” line, but the big boys are murdering their own citizens AND GETTING AWAY WITH IT.

  • lib2016

    The same allegations and more have been made about the Stickies, who later became part of a very successful Dublin government. Both main unionist parties were born in street protests and sectarian faction fighting, one more recently than the other it’s true but that’s how political movements emerge in Ireland and to most people Irish unionism is just another strand of Irishness.

    It’s up to the unionists how they handle this. They have no allies in Britain, the two governments make no secret of the fact that they expect us to get on with powersharing and implementation of the GFA, and the electorate got so fed up with Trimble’s delays that they dumped the UUP.

    Unionists have no moral standing obviously. The history books have been written about the first 50 years of Northern Ireland and unionists have not come out well.They can follow the same old line and disappear into petty local disputes as they appear to be doing in Dromore or they can decide to soldier on and build a strong Northern Ireland if that’s what they want. Up to them really.

  • the dowie

    “the electorate got so fed up with Trimble’s delays that they dumped the UUP”

    Tell me that’s an attempt at humour. Please?

  • Paddy Pearse

    The fools, the fools, they have left us our Fenian dead”
    most of whom are buried in republican plots with informers, touts and double agents.

  • lib2016

    The dowie,

    There was no doubt before the last election that the DUP and Sinn Fein were preparing to go into government. Who did the electorate choose?

  • DaithiO

    “Who did the electorate choose?”

    They chose Sinn Féin 😉

  • Ahem

    DaithiO @ 10:29 AM: “Tohill, Northern Bank, Paul Quinn, informers, all sticks to beat the shinners with”. Tasteful, deeply tasteful that one. Poor, poor Republicans, is there no one they can beat to death these days without some ould hoor yammering on at them about it, and making snide remarks about legitimate acts of opressed Irish self-expression? Clear off DaithiO, you, er, North East West Brit securocrat stooge et-tedious, moping-cetera.

  • Paddy Pearse

    What about the stiffs in the cupboard?
    They haven’t gone away you know.
    Hitler and The Bearded One were both elected, Daithi.

  • nmc

    A group of leprachauns spirited Bobby Tohill out of the pub.

    No-one said they did, what I’m saying is you don’t know who dunnit. You have the word of Bobby Tohill. That’s it.

    A group of evil elemental spirits beat Robert McCartney to death. “McCartneys bore me” said the graffiti on the wall – put their by random nihilistic but still media aware teenage vandals, no doubt.

    Again, no IRA involvement if the courts are to believed. Individual IRA members perhaps, so by that rationale every Orangeman is a murdering bastard if one orangeman commits murder.

    The Northern Bank robbed itself in an inside job.

    Again, no-one has said this. What we don’t know is who was responsible. The police said it was the IRA, but they have lied, and been wrong before. So no proof.

    And Paul Quinn was a ‘fuel smuggler’.

    And we will have to wait and see if anyone is charged with his murder. I honestly hope they are and if ‘corporate’ IRA involvement were proven and brought the whole (Stormont) show down I would think it worthwhile. Unfortunately we are back to the scenario that a) there is no proof and b) SF can say what individuals do is up to themselves, criminals etc. Also, whether or not Quinn was involved in smuggling is totally irrelevant in my view.

    And the Brits were behind all those incidents anyway.

    As I said, maybe, maybe not. It’s down to what we think, and what we can actually prove. My only objection here is to the fact that the events listed above are unproven, but are used as facts.

  • Politics.ie

    ‘Godwin’s Law’ in 21 steps – classy. This thread typifies why this website has become so has become thoroughly sh*te. On the one hand we have nasal-gazing bloggers pandering to a juvenile audience on a forum which has descended into a handy way of throwing abuse at the other side and on the other posters who actually seem to believe their views are somehow relevant to the community at large. Thankfully I can use the ‘delete bookmark’ function on my computer and rejoin the vast majority who live in blissful ignorance of this site.

  • DaithiO

    Paddy Pearse

    Since you are so well informed perhaps you’d be good enough to contact your local law enforcement agency with all the information you have and finally justice can be done regarding those heinous crimes.

    If you don’t have any proof that republicans were the perpetrators I suggest you do the right thing and shut up.

    As I inferred earlier it’s nothing more than innuendo otherwise there would be charges pressed.

  • PaddyReilly

    Dear Sammy, if you have information about who did the Northern Bank job, I suggest you share it. There will certainly be a reward. The McCartney murder may even be worth a bob or two. Otherwise, I would suggest that due process means that we leave the Police to find out who is responsible and draw our conclusions when, and only when, they have been convicted.

    Quite what this has to do with Sinn Féin I do not know. Given the religio-political make-up of the areas in which most of these events took place, I suppose that there is a chance that their perpetrators were Sinn Féin voters, but this is not SF’s responsibility. Protestant paramilitaries until recently probably voted for the DUP in most elections, but this isn’t the DUP’s fault. Most Banking frauds in the City are committed by persons who vote Conservative, but no-one suggests this is the Tory party’s fault.

    It isn’t even the IRA’s responsibility. It is a fact all over, in the USA, UK etc, that demobilised personnel even from legitimate armies commit more than their fair share of violent crime and murders. General Eisenhauer was not held responsible for every bar-room brawl murder committed by ex-members of his army.

    Nor is it a matter of “Sinn Fein’s compromised past”. All the main political parties have some connection with illegal activities. Given the undemocratic nature of the process that allowed the 6 county statelet to come into being, the whole issue of what is legal and what is not has become blurred. Even Lady Sylvia is married to a man who was under investigation for collusion in state murder.

    The fact that your very own Alliance may be free of such entanglements has been noted. It has not however helped them much with the electorate: the 5.2% vote in the last election is significant but not overwhelming, and I am reliably informed by many commentators that 6.9% (SF’s vote in the Republic’s election) is ‘derisory’, so 5.2% must be even more so.

    The taste of voters in Ulster seems to be for politicians who have some military or paramilitary connection. Realpolitik means that we have to work with this. Iraq and Afghanistan are similarly disposed. Get over it. Don’t think that you will diminish SF’s vote or increase your own party’s by harping on about it.

  • Twinbrook

    El Mat,

    I`m in agreement with you that all the dirty washing should be aired but lets not kid ourselves, it`ll all be one sided with the onus on Republicans and Loyalists and the British government either hiding behind national security, denying any direct knowledge or just refusing to answer any question about their role…

    Not matter who, every family deserves closure even if that means a few politicians are left with egg on their faces….

  • Paddy Pearse

    “Paddy Pearse

    Since you are so well informed perhaps you’d be good enough to contact your local law enforcement agency with all the information you have and finally justice can be done regarding those heinous crimes.

    If you don’t have any proof that republicans were the perpetrators I suggest you do the right thing and shut up.

    As I inferred earlier it’s nothing more than innuendo otherwise there would be charges pressed.

    Posted by DaithiO on Feb 12, 2008 @ 03:14 PM”

    Daithi
    Are you a Stick? This is the exact same thing Pat Rabitte said when the heat was on the Sticks over their disappeared. SFIRA engaged in all forms of abuses as those their MI5 infilatred nutting squad permanently shut up could testify.

    SFIRA started off as a community defence vigilante goon squad. But so did the Triads and the Mafia. And they all went the same way. I am not inferring the SFIRA Good Fellas are directly involved in drugs and hookers but their handes are far from clean on all other racketeering fronts.

  • Turgon

    Sinn Fein are somewhat on the horns of a dilemma with this. They cannot or will not renounce their past especially not with the current leadership yet that past will forever make them unacceptable to the overwhelming majority of unionists and I suspect to very many voters of the RoI. I suppose the only option open to them is to wait and hope that as the old guard drop out of politics the younger generation will be less tainted by SF’s association with the IRA. That may work in the RoI but I suspect with people like Martina Anderson around and comments like the infamous ones of Michelle Gildernew such a strategy will be most unlikely to work in making unionists (or indeed many NI nationalists) see them as acceptable.

  • Twinbrook

    hit to p*** in the knock SF deluge….

    but isn`t it true to say, the majority of Nationalists who vote overwhelming for SF, see them as acceptable!

  • Damian O’Loan

    Whilst it is true that due process ought to provide justice, we can imagine how, the context of the ‘peace process’, certain cases will be ignored. I would cite the PSNI response to the recent Shankill humiliation punishments as an example of how a weak response to paramilitaries allows carte blanche.

    What is more interesting is how many SF supporters are now hiding behind the British judicial system, former ‘legitimate’ targets. While I can rationalise, though not agree with, the wish not to air dirty linen in public, I can’t help but worry if this is not part of some greater understanding. Examples of this smokescreen are rife on threads like this one. To grassroots republicans, I would caution that if you don’t want SF to be held responsible for the Paul Quinn murder (even at the expense of justice), be careful you don’t force yourself into accepting the British government’s word without question.

    Incidentally, the SF involvement in the McCartney murder is closer than some here have mentioned, given they had elected representatives in the same bar as the murderers just before who have not testified, and certainly have not brought about convictions.

    Whilst it is enough to provide ‘reasonable doubt’ that another criminal gang may be responsible for the Quinn murder, in the absence of evidence, Conor Murphy’s response in particular does not help that doubt settle.

    The SF leadership, I have little doubt, would sooner close the chapter on the past altogether and betray even republican victims of loyalist/state collusion. But to the grassroots who have no skeletons to hide, be careful how you argue, and don’t trust the British judiciary 100%.

  • Pancho’s Horse

    If we are to accept the republican are ragbags, that loyalists are drug crazed monsters and that the brits can’t be trusted to walk the dog, who is left?

  • URQUHART

    “If we are to accept the republican are ragbags, that loyalists are drug crazed monsters and that the brits can’t be trusted to walk the dog, who is left?”

    Stephen Nolan.

    He’s class.

  • If we are to accept the republican are ragbags, that loyalists are drug crazed monsters and that the brits can’t be trusted to walk the dog, who is left?

    Alliance. Obvious, innit? 😉

    Paddy Reilly – dude, you are like soooooo in denial. You’re right, I couldn’t get up in a court of law and prove the IRA were behind the Northern Bank robbery, anymore than I could prove the Brits were operating a shoot to kill policy against the East Tyrone Brigade of the IRA in the 1980s. But I know both are true. Who else has a money laundering operation capable of cleaning £27 million?

    Do you really think people believe this bull?

  • PaddyReilly

    You’re right, I couldn’t get up in a court of law and prove the IRA were behind the Northern Bank robbery

    Good, that’s a start. But how do you know that it was all of the IRA who perpetrated the robbery, rather than a select few who were just putting their military training to good use to turn a dishonest penny? Are there no cases where ex-soldiers of the British or American Army have become Bank Robbers after demob? (Try Google, you’ll find quite a few.) Does that mean that the Queen and General Whoever are responsible for their activities? You are using a fallacious argument that extends the guilt of the part to the whole.

    Who else has a money laundering operation capable of cleaning £27 million?

    Yes, and how do you know they laundered all £27 million? None of it seems to have appeared much. Except in a policeman’s locker I believe. They’re probably still working on the first million. But I would think that, if you had £27 million in need of laundering, launderers would beat a path to your door.

    Say there were 10 robbers, each ending up with £2.7 million each. Is that such a large amount of money?

  • Paddy,

    I think you are confusing two things. I’m on record as saying (in Jan 2005) that unless the authorities find clear evidence connecting the IRA to that robbery, there would likely be no significant political fallout. That’s because there would have been functional consequences that were not, strictly speaking, driven by public opinion. None materialised, and all was well (until the McCartney killing).

    Does the public generally believe that the IRA was behind the robbery? The answer is a no brainer. Public opinion does not require facts or evidence, it often deals in probabilities. To democratic political parties this matters immensely. To armed revolutionaries, it matters much less.

    In this regard I’m saying that SF’s reputation is being tarnished. The fact of SF’s violent past is not the problem. It is that that past keeps coming back, and is being dealt with ways that make it look as for though some in the wider movement the shift to democracy has still not occured.

  • Jo

    “On the one hand we have nasal-gazing bloggers pandering to a juvenile audience”

    Actually, it would be “navel”, but given the inclusion of certain sites (the honourable exception being this one) in the accolade that is supposedly the “Irish Blog Awards”, I can only shake my head in utter disbelief and accordingly – and without any regret – delete the relevant links.

  • Greenflag

    ‘If we are to accept the republican are ragbags, that loyalists are drug crazed monsters and that the brits can’t be trusted to walk the dog, who is left? ‘

    Unionists i.e both UUP & DUP the former as per the article below did nothing when they could have made a difference and the latter have been saying NO for at least 4 decades and are only now somewhat belatedly facing the demographic , economic and political reality that is Northern Ireland in 2008.

    From Susan McKay (Irish News):

    ‘Patterson, a history professor who was one of the minority of Protestants with the fire and decency to march with Catholics 40 years ago, gave some fascinating glimpses of life in the unionist bunker in the decade before the protests began. Local government reform had been discussed back in 1958, he said.

    When a couple of MPs whose constituencies included swathes of working-class Protestant streets pointed out that these people did not have the vote either, Brian Faulkner said to tell them: look, if we give you the vote we’ll have to give it to nationalists too and then we’ll lose Derry, Tyrone and Fermanagh. The unionist party was incapable of pursuing reform, Patterson said, and Terence O’Neill knew it. “He wanted to avoid the issue,” he said. The crisis was inevitable.

    Irish News columnist Roy Garland – at least half the audience were Irish News columnists – admitted that while there were some progressive young unionists, he was not one of them. “I was against civil rights though I should have been for them as I came from the Shankill Road,” he said. “But it was a fact that republicans were involved in the movement. We saw it as a plot. My impression was that O’Neill wanted to move. I got up and condemned him for bringing Northern Ireland to its knees.”

    Such insights into unionist haplessness, defensiveness, paranoia and arrogance are an important and necessary antidote to some of the now endemic patronising of Protestants that emanates from some quarters of Sinn Fein in particular. ‘

    I agree with Susan McKay – if you’re going to hang out the dirty SF washing then let it all hang out -including HMG’s , the UUP, DUP and SDLP .

    ‘Brian Faulkner said to tell them: look, if we give you the vote we’ll have to give it to nationalists too and then we’ll lose Derry, Tyrone and Fermanagh. The unionist party was incapable of pursuing reform, Patterson said, and Terence O’Neill knew it.’

    Brilliant strategic thinking from Faulkner though 🙁

    Patterson got it right -with the UUP incapable of pursuing much needed reform the gate was left wife open for republican and other paramilitaries to achieve ‘reform’ through the barrel of a gun . And who now can say they did not achieve ‘reform’ even if on the way thousands lost their lives and billions were lost in property damage ?

    Are we all ready yet for another 40 year round :(?

  • Greenflag

    ‘if we give you the vote we’ll have to give it to nationalists too ‘

    Was it Abraham Lincoln who said the best way to know when law needs to be repealed is to see the effect of it being ‘strictly ‘ enforced .

    In Northern Ireland the sad fact is that the ‘repeal’ of the law was always 20 years too late to do any good .

    Sadly also in the long history between Britain and Ireland the same can also be said :

  • Granni Trixie

    Greenflag:
    I was in the audience of the panel discussion in West Belfast that Susan McKay wrote about: Bernadette McAlliskey kicked off with an extraordinary statement about Dominic McGlinchey and criticising Gerry Adams. Neither Adams, Danny Morrison or anyone who spoke referred to this piece of dynamite. If journalists from I. News were there as well as Susan McKay why no mention of this newsworthy story in the newspapers?. I asked someone who was also there why the silence and he said: “its to protect the peace process”! Food for thought?

  • Am I the only one to think the northern bank robbery was one of the strangest robberies of all time, apart from the public hue and cry about “it was the Provos that done it” no one in officialdom seems interested in tracking down the culprits.

    If one takes into account that at the time it was the largest robbery ever in the the UK is this not some what weird.

    When south London criminals robbed a cash storage depot in Kent, the local constabulary had up to 500 plus officers working on the case night and day; and although people have been recently jailed, Kent police still have a large squad of officers hot [allegedly] on the trail of robbers and cash not yet accounted for.

    Does anyone know how many PSNI police officers are currently working on the northern Bank job?

    What I also find strange reading this thread, is one minute people seem to believe that the security services have touts throughout PRM/SF, including within the leadership cadre; and the next the same people are telling us the Provos robbed the northern bank. If they are correct, then surly the Provos must have robbed the bank with the approval of the security forces/MI5?

  • Paddy Pearse

    Mick Hall: The Soviet Union had Hitler’s set up very well infiltrated. The Brit securocrats had the 2 up on Enigma and most other German codes. Yet the Germans were able to soldier on to the bitter end. The fact that the Bearded One and others may have been compromised does not mean they all wear. Everyone should not be tarnished with THAT brush.

  • Greenflag

    ‘I asked someone who was also there why the silence and he said: “its to protect the peace process”! Food for thought?’

    Indeed . Contrast this with the ‘behaviour’ of all the Danish newspapers which today reprinted the ‘Mohammed with a turban bomb’ anniversary cartoon as an act of solidarity with the journalist Westergaard who was the recipient of death threats by islamic fundamentalists . Every newspaper in Europe should have done likewise !

    Back to NI the media in this case is not just the message but also the ‘massage’ 🙁

  • Greenflag

    ‘why no mention of this newsworthy story in the newspapers?.’

    Well it did get into the Irish News . But as somebody put it ‘maybe the world is truly bored with our little war’

    Truly ? Truly would have been 30 years ago . Absolutely possibly 20 years ago . Indubitably 10 years ago . And as for now ? Many people would rather watch grass grow .

    Bad news of course for those who want to keep a focus on the ‘machinations’ of the new ‘political elites’ as they award themselves the spoils of ‘war’ . Hey it could be worse !

  • Paddy

    Sorry but you have lost me, are you comparing the armies Hitler commanded with the PIRA in some way?

    Perhaps if I ask a single question, does any sluggerite know how many PSNI police offices are working on the northern bank robbery inquiry at this time? This should not be an operational secret as UK police forces regularly give out such details.

  • Granni Trixie

    Point of information Greenflag: Although Susan McKay did a story on the event she or no one else as far as I am aware reported Bernadette McAlliskeys remarks directed at Gerry Adams with whom she was obviously needled…infact it amounted to throwing down the gauntlet. It could be ofcourse that what she alleged has legal implications which is why journalists sidelines it (and why I have not repeated it here).

  • Mick Fealty

    I would guess you’ve hit it on the head there GT.