Arson attack on GAA hall

There has been an arson attack on a Co Armagh GAA hall. This follows a grafitti attack on a another Co Armagh hall earlier this week. Has ‘tit for tat’ attacks of community facilities begun?

  • George

    Sir Reg Empey the fortune teller strikes again.

  • Dewi

    Empsey didn’t help

    “My principal anxiety is that this
    destruction will lead to retaliation
    on GAA or Hibernian property”

    He almost could have added “fr’instance at College Land GAA Club in Charlemont”

  • Dewi

    Beat me to it – sorry George.

  • joeCanuck

    Just like the attacks on Orange Halls, this is shameful.

    Wait a minute, is my remark whataboutery or antiwhataboutery?

  • agh

    the worry now is that this violence will escalate into something even more sinister. Time to withdraw from the brink methinks.

  • methinks

    Ahaa hmmm agh you one of them?

  • Peileadóir

    Collegelands club isnt far away from Ballyhegan GAA
    club where the homes of three nearby Catholic families, including that of an 80 year old man, were targetted on the same night. Ballyhegan Davitts have actually a very good public record of cross-community activity and cooperation with other organisations in the area which would be perceived to be ‘Protestant’.

  • Such is what I surmised when I read the headline, but one certainly hopes not. Is there any posibility that the Orange Hall attacks are done by rogue loyalist paramilitaries?

  • Turgon

    joe,

    I liked the comment about “anti whataboutery”. As we all remember during the troubles people practically queued up to condemn murders etc. At times I wondered why they bothered as it seemed to make no difference and everyone knew their position on such matters. I do think, however, it is actually very important to continually remind everyone out there that the majority of people whatever their political opinions are totally opposed this criminal behaviour.

    Hence, though it may be tedious repetition: I condemn this attack.

  • Intelligence Insider

    Abdul,
    It is every bit as possible as sinn fein carrying out the attacks on gaa clubs or chapels.

  • lib2016

    New and even more extreme unionist group emerges, new leadership in the OO, and a heightening of sectarian tension after attacks on OO Halls in hardline unionist areas.

    Thank Heavens all that could never be connected up. 😉

  • andy

    II
    indeed – which was a theory at least floated as a possibility here on our own slugger.

    FD
    Fair play for you sticking this up given the target – no more than I would have expected from you of course.

  • Steve

    Yeah its a real surprise that this happened, its not like empey and the oo hadnt called for it to happen with a big wink and a huge nudge

  • Prince Eoghan

    The north of Ireland sometimes reminds me of a parallel universe, where norms accepted by normal reasonably intelligent people are turned on their head. How by any manner of thought can an attack on a sporting association’s hall, that is open to all. Be associated with attacks on halls that are little more than sectarian gang-huts, masquerading sometimes as community halls for people in need of long-term therapy.

    Attacks on all of these properties should be investigated by the relevant authorities. However may we shine a light on the crude attempts to even justify an tit for tit explanation. Perhaps if Nationalists had a similar sectarian organisation that they clung too, there might be a comparison. Perhaps attacking rugger clubs could then be compared to attacking GAA clubs.

    Please no bullshit about the GAA promoting Gaels, or daring to on occasion take a political stance. This in no comparable way reflects an equivalence with the OO. And it is sad for some to reach for this. Reg Empey and co. surprise me not one iota here, isn’t it the same tactics used in the conflict to keep the Taigs in there place.

  • Chris Donnelly

    Not surprising that GAA club houses have been targeted in recent days, though obviously I condemn such attacks.

    I say not surprising because some elements within political unionism- namely Reg Empey and senior Orange figures- wasted no time in publicly intimating that GAA clubs could/ would be targeted in the aftermath of the equally repugnant attacks on Orange Halls.

    What is required now is for the leadership of political unionism to publicly condemn the attacks on GAA facilities in the forthright and unequivocal manner that republican leaders condemned the attacks on Orange Halls.

  • aquifer

    “Has ‘tit for tat’ attacks of community facilities begun?”

    Have we established that none of these attacks are intra-unionist affairs?

    i.e. Just tits doing them.

    Who has most to gain from a ‘resumption of hostilities’. CIRA RIRA obviously, but what about RHC LVF UFF UVF UDA and fringe groups like ‘Love Ulster Loyalist Revival desperately seeking DUP votes’

    Facing slow attrition by Inland Revenue, the VAT inspectorate, the Assets Recovery Agency, and prolonged and repeated questioning by polite policepersions is not a future welcomed by all. Lets be popular in our drinking den, keep the police from investigating some minor but undertandable domestic abuse, lets have some action!

  • Intelligence Insider

    aquifer,

    Has it been established that none of these attacks are intra-nationalist affairs? It’s possible this was due to some rivalry between the two gaa clubs involved.

  • lib2016

    Intelligence Insider,

    just watch the chorus of condemnation from nationalist sources if any idiot suggests that the attacks on GAA premises could, would or should form any sort of pretext for retaliation.

    This comes from a section of society which has a vested interest in whipping up tension and pretending that there is a possibility of a return to communal violence.

    Now who could that be, I wonder?

  • DM

    Get a grip folks. If you think Empey’s comments read as incitement to go after GAA halls then you’re dreaming. When I heard about the latest attack on an Orange Hall my immediate reaction was, some GAA club will end up bearing the brunt of retaliation for this. This is what’s known as ‘predicting’ – not hoping, wishing or inciting – predicting what might happen. And it did, and it’s a disgrace. You’d think the police could employ similar skills of prediction and keep a close eye on isolated club grounds at a time like this. Too much to hope for maybe.

    By the way, what about this from Danny Kennedy, in reference to the GAA hall attack?

    [i]Such attacks on the cultural properties of both traditions serve no useful purpose, contribute nothing to community relations and place yet another heavy burden on tax payers[/i]

    But what does he reeeeeally mean eh?

  • DM

    On a more pedantic note –

    [i]…some elements within political unionism- namely Reg Empey and senior Orange figures…[/i]

    Would Joe Orangeman not be classed as a cultural unionist, as opposed to political?

  • joeCanuck

    Excuse me, DM. I am not an Orangeman. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  • Prince Eoghan

    Don’t think he was meaning you Joe. Perhaps your desperation to be seen as orange friendly overcomes you. Nothing wrong with that. Perhaps you have similar views towards other intolerant organisations, namely the KKK, BNP and NF. Talk about turkey’s voting for Christmas.

  • joeCanuck

    Well, Prince,
    Firstly I don’t support any organization .
    Secondly, those Orangemen that I have personally known, always seemed to me to be decent people.
    Thirdly, I try to always show respect to other people. Those that I cannot abide, I simply ignore.

  • PaddyReilly

    Here I would repeat the advice I gave to the Orangemen: make sure the land nearby is developed and assigned to people of your own persuasion.

    Equally with schools, another popular target for arson attacks, and not by outsiders either, you need to have 24 hour residents on the property.

    Condemnation? Waste of time. Catholics in the main expect this sort of thing. Schoolmasters also develop an unflustered attitude, either that or go mad. There are rather too many Orange Lodges, and comparatively few GAA halls, largely in Catholic areas. They are mostly safe. It does not appear to be a particularly serious attack.

  • Prince Eoghan

    >>Secondly, those Orangemen that I have personally known, always seemed to me to be decent people.< >I try to always show respect to other people< >Those that I cannot abide, I simply ignore.<

  • If anyone’s interested, I’ve written an article on the issues facing the GAA in the North:

    http://atangledweb.squarespace.com/httpatangledwebsquarespace/the-future-for-the-gaa.html

  • Dread Cthulhu

    DM: “If you think Empey’s comments read as incitement to go after GAA halls then you’re dreaming.”

    Almost, but not quite… I don’t believe that Empey’s comments were a deliberate incitement to go after GAA halls, but some of the knuckle-draggers on both sides of the equation wouldn’t need a whole lot of “inciting” to go break, bomb or burn something.

    DM: “Would Joe Orangeman not be classed as a cultural unionist, as opposed to political? ”

    Depends… what his position on fife bands and “party tunes?”

    joeCanuck: “Secondly, those Orangemen that I have personally known, always seemed to me to be decent people. ”

    Individuals usually are… it’s when people get into groups that they tend to descend to the lowest common denominator… the greater the number of people, the lower the common denominator.

  • DM

    [i]Almost, but not quite… I don’t believe that Empey’s comments were a deliberate incitement to go after GAA halls, but some of the knuckle-draggers on both sides of the equation wouldn’t need a whole lot of “inciting” to go break, bomb or burn something. [/i]

    I would broadly agree with you there but is there not then a lot of scope on the part of said morons for twisting more or less any comment into an incitement or a justification? The rationale being if you look hard enough for something, you’ll find it.

    [i]DM: “Would Joe Orangeman not be classed as a cultural unionist, as opposed to political? “

    Depends… what his position on fife bands and “party tunes?” [/i]

    Not trying to be obtuse but I genuinely don’t understnd what you mean here. The point I was making is that the OO was established primarily as a religious/cultural body rather than a political organisation. Of course, I’m not saying that members etc don’t hold political opinions, merely that it’s not the primary function of the OO.

    [i]joeCanuck: “Secondly, those Orangemen that I have personally known, always seemed to me to be decent people. “

    Individuals usually are… it’s when people get into groups that they tend to descend to the lowest common denominator… the greater the number of people, the lower the common denominator. [/i]

    Often very true!

  • joeCanuck

    A lot depends on the Leadership. Unfortunately, in the case of the OO, they seem to be the lowest of the low.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    DM: “I would broadly agree with you there but is there not then a lot of scope on the part of said morons for twisting more or less any comment into an incitement or a justification? The rationale being if you look hard enough for something, you’ll find it. ”

    Yeah, but if we have to censor outselves lest we utter something that some moron would take as an incitement to mayhem, we’ll have created something that makes American political correctness look free, frank and unfettered.

    DM: “Not trying to be obtuse but I genuinely don’t understnd what you mean here. The point I was making is that the OO was established primarily as a religious/cultural body rather than a political organisation.”

    And my counter-point is that the worst of the OO’s bad actors have the same sort of culture you’ll find in a petri dish. Likewise, especially given that the political rift in NI very nearly apes the cultural and religious rifts (not perfectly, but very nearly), it’s optimistic to believe that the OO didn’t descend somewhat into politics — and we know some lodges descended into the depths of the political rift, by dint of their banners, party tunes, the bands they repeatedly invite despite yearly reporting their “shock!” that the band would drag out the same banners and tunes as last year, etc.