The operation of devolution – present and future

Independent republican Gerry McHugh has outlined his reasons for quitting Sinn Fein and it is the operation of devolution more than policing that is the problem. In quotes almost made for the DUP manifesto, he comments:

“The main reasons for my decisions (are) that the Assembly is being run by unionists, both at plenary and committee level and is strongly underlining British rule and the Union. The DUP are extremely pleased with the way they have gained control over Sinn Fein; this is my major concern and one I could not have foreseen before the Assembly elections. Unionists have a majority at all levels, Sinn Fein can only deliver what unionists want.”

Ian Paisley Jnr has added to his father’s comments on devolution of policing and justice, said the DUP was in favour of such devolution and outlined a range of issues that needed to be addressed for sufficient confidence. Jim Allister is suitably vexed at the suggestion.

  • Diluted Orange

    Is Gerry McHugh at all relevant to anything or anyone, apart from Gerry McHugh?

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    Perhaps SF are gambling on demographics – if majority rule suits Unionists now, it may, subject to breeding paterns suit Republicans further down the line.

    Clearly the speed of the relative decline of the minoity parties(UU and SDLP) will also be a factor. For SF their performance in relation to the Quinn killing and the possibility going forward that they will not get renegade (former?)IRA members in line will be a serious check on their potential growth at the expense of the SDLP.

  • Michael Shilliday

    McHugh has taken a while. All of this was true in 1999.

  • paxmas
  • The Ulster that forgets its past is bound to repeat the mistakes of – IPJR 🙂

    When can we expect further revelations about the Paisleys and Sweeney? If the Ballyallaght home is in the name of Mrs Sweeney whose name might be on the salmon drift net licence?

  • joeCanuck

    You must have missed it, Nevin. It was announced a couple of weeks ago that the house is now in junior’s name.

  • Rory

    Nevin,

    The image of Junior, scorching his thumb on the Salmon of Knowledge and going, “d’oh!”, is one that I am desperately trying to shake.

    I do wish my dealer would shake a leg.

  • John Hussey

    Interesting to see Michael Shilliday suggesting that the DUP were running Stormont in 1999 also: “All of this was true in 1999”. I think Mr McHugh’s comments will enrage the UUP the most, who are desperately struggling to outflank the DUP by using “chuckle brothers” metaphors, and “cosy coalition” remarks. In light of Mr McHugh’s remarks I doubt there are many Unionists who now question whether the DUP are delivering for Unionism – the answer is obvious. This is why I vote DUP.

  • éireannach saolta

    To state the blatantly obvious political sectarianism is alive and well then.

    One shower with marxist leanings and the other christian extremists/fascits. DUP will be pushing for their old protestant version of Iran then I guess. Led by the great Ayatolla Paisley or Robinson

    Gay rights will be a thing of the past, Taigs will be put back in their rightful place, drinking of the devils buttermilk will be banned, all this babble about evolution in science will be replaced by the truth of creationism( even though the bible makes no reference to this non-scientific theory) and that the earth is about 6000 years old. Oh yes we will all be amazed by the giants causeway and how god created after the biblical flood.

    You’d nearly think this is a political feigned withdrawl by Sinn Féin. Unionism being led by as backwards a party as the DUP

  • I did indeed, Joe. An oversight on my part 🙂

    “This is why I vote DUP”

    … and the gulls still follow the great ploughman …

  • Alex S

    Doubtless the DUPes wil take comfort from McHugh’s version of events while ignoring the man they selected as an MEP, it’s a funney old world!

  • Rory

    “To state the blatantly obvious political sectarianism is alive and well then.”

    The only thing blatantly obvious about the above statement, éireannach saolta, was that it was in desperate need of a colon, much in the way that your signature desperately requires capitals.

    But, regardless, do tell us more please of this honeyed land of your travels where political sectarianism does not exist.

  • éireannach saolta

    Rory the point I am trying to get across is that in the end unionism will be damaged by being led by prodiban politicians. Unionism becomes a joke when it is led by these idiots. The DUP tends to alienate alot of logically minded people with its stances on evolution and homosexuality.

    Perhaps you should visit Dublin if you want to learn about places where political sectarianism is more or less non existant.

    I would use capitals in my signature but when I put a fada on a capital vowel it comes up in the lower case. If you know how I can fix this i’d appreciate your help

  • Turgon

    éireannach saolta,
    I am in the middle of bathing children. I will produce a good prodiban rant later if you wish. For the mean time there seems no problem getting a fada on a capital e. I am using firefox and just hold Alt Gr, then press shift and e and we have É.

    Will be back for rant later.

  • éireannach saolta

    Thanks for the advice Turgon but there’s some issue with my laptop and having a typing a capital vowel with a fada on it. Its the only computer i’ve ever used with the issue.

  • Rory

    Éireannach Saolta,

    (See! – Turgon’s tip works!).

    Political sectarianism is as alive and well in Dublin as anywhere else (and then some). Have you never heard of Fíanna Fáil; Fine Gael; Labour; Sinn Féin and the abominable PD’s – all of them sects within the body politic?

    I think you intended to mean religious sectarianism which I grant you might not be so apparent in Dublin for much the same reasons that a shortage of Hindus makes Hindu-bashing not so apparent in Tel Aviv.

  • éireannach saolta

    Rory I was indeed refering to religious sectariansism. Point noted about the numbers thing. Being a Dub myself (born and raered) with some ulster protestant ancestory I can’t say that I have ever really experienced a climate of religious sectarianism growing up in the “fair city”.

    Back to my point about the DUP being damaging to unionism. Talking to joe soap from a unionist unionalist background that i come into contact with in my daily life they are generally as a rule really taken aback and disturbed by some of the things the DUP has done recently especially about the whole creationism thing and the lisburn council. This combined with the fact that the UUP are on the rocks and nearly gone is making some people a bit disillusioned.

    I know Turgons advice does work but my keyboard settings were set wrong when i got the laptop. I get the fada but only on a small vowel

  • CTN

    Whatever about sectarianism in Dublin- as a result of McGuinness’ and Adams’ human resourcing incompetence, dishonesty and arrogance republicanism is splintering into sects.

    It will be interesting to see where Gerry McHugh and the South Armagh dissenters end up.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    My favorite bit of Dublin sectarianism is the ranting of the drunken orangeman in Sean O’Casey’s “In the shadow of a gunman”. A lampoon
    of the British Irish as accurate today in non iron as it was in 1920s Dublin.

  • perci

    look’at at least they (DUP) recognise WE exist.
    So it is better.

  • dd

    to my point about the DUP being damaging to unionism. Talking to joe soap from a unionist unionalist background that i come into contact with in my daily life网店系统
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    大型贮罐 they are generally as a rule really taken aback and disturbed by some of the things the DUP has done recently especially about the whole creationism thing and the lisburn council. This combined with the fact

  • Truth & Justice

    Peter Weir should be the next DUP MEP candidate

  • A coalition of delusionists

    We are being led by a coalition of delusionists(TM).

    It is in the interests of both parties and their supporters to belive that they have outflanked the other; it allows them both to airbrush over the failed strategies of the past, and to disguise the unpalatable truth that they have got into bed with each other.

    As for McHugh, he is entitled to his opinion, but what he has got to come up with is an alternative strategy that wins support at the ballot box.

    Whilst in the past there may have been some merit to the IRA’s claim that it was defending the oppressed Catholic minority (at least up until 1972) – such notions simply no longer wash.

    Many people may aspire to a United Ireland, but their voting patterns would suggest that they do not want one that is imposed down the barrel of a gun (not that such would ever have been possible)achievable).

    In the longer term, the DUP and their supporters know that a United Ireland is inevitable. If it softens the blow, for them, to believe that they are in power, then so be it. A peaceful transition will probably take 30 – 50 years, at which point many of those in power today will be six feet under. A sobering thought I am sure….

  • slug

    “In the longer term, the DUP and their supporters know that a United Ireland is inevitable. ”

    LOL

  • “Unionists have a majority at all levels, Sinn Fein can only deliver what unionists want.”

    Surely, it’s more relevant to say that the DUP/SF axis has such a majority and that deals are probably done in advance of Executive meetings.

    The devolution of policing and justice depends not just on this axis but also on the more important London/Dublin one.

  • Jo

    “Peter Weir should be the next DUP MEP candidate

    “..that may be a good prediction.

  • Jo

    In the longer term, the DUP and their supporters know that a United Ireland is inevitable. “

    LOL

    Posted by slug on Jan 07, 2008 @ 09:41 AM

    Actually, does it matter anymore? Unless you WANT to be violent – a la Donaghacloney- is there an incentive to kill for a political purpose?

  • perci

    and I always thought donkeys from donaghcloney relished a perpetual uphill struggle; but they appear most content wandering the “flat-earth” plains 😉

  • john donnelly

    “Gay rights will be a thing of the past, Taigs will be put back in their rightful place, drinking of the devils buttermilk will be banned, all this babble about evolution in science will be replaced by the truth of creationism( even though the bible makes no reference to this non-scientific theory) and that the earth is about 6000 years old. Oh yes we will all be amazed by the giants causeway and how god created after the biblical flood. ”

    Gosh this shows a lot of fear from you. What the liberals, unfaithful Catholics and Prods in name only dont notice is that many peoples hearts are being changed. True ecumenism is uniting against the complete meaninglessness of anti God ,pro evolution liberalism.Paisley and many of us on this island have been fed nothing but pseudo scientific horse manure over the last 20 years. Now that peace has broken out many of us are realising what lies have been told to our children in school and universities in the name of sophisticated science education.I should know ,I was one of those Catholic theolgians with man made wisdom and just assumed evolution was true.I therefore fed it into my theology and God knows how many kids I influenced-badly.Then I tried to find the missing links.The whole chain was missing!!!I finally noticed that there is no way one kind of animal can change into another kind(species). Dogs do not change into cats .They procreate after their kind. Yes sure there are big dogs and little dogs but thats just variation within the kind. Now these micro changes are called micro evolution if you like but not macro evolution which is when some dirty seawater changed into a man over millions of years. The evolutionists dont like this distinction but its glaringly obvious!Evolution in todays terms means molecules to man, goo to you, particles to people ,adders to apes,monkeys to man etc.ie BIG BIG changes. If you believe in this then go on my friend but you are deluding yourself!No one has ever seen one kind of animal changing into a completely different kind of animal.This is real observable science and confirms what the Bible says in Genesis.

    Oh and by the way God did not create anything after the biblical flood.All the animals were inside the 450 foot long barge.

    In the end many of you guys on this site want to build a society on politics alone. It will fail.What,in general, the Christians are looking for is not an earthly home but a heavenly one.However, If they can protect their kids by going against the evolutionist lie and stifling outright gay pride/advertising/marriage etc they will. We understand the heart of man. If you give him too much freedom he ruins everything for everybody.

    The Christian doctrine is that this world may be fallen, but it is still God’s world. When Christ came he inaugurated the kingdom of God, which we see manifested in the world as the church, and he is now ruling over this kingdom. Of course, the main thrust and means of spreading the gospel is the salvation of people. In influencing society, many Christians of Paisleys ilk and even the Pope to a certain extent, see themselves as conquering soldiers in God’s army. They are reclaiming what rightly belongs to God and his people, but has been usurped by sinful man.

    Another reason Christians believe it is important to influence society is that the Bible often emphasizes the imporance of civil justice. In the Bible, God judged many societies, including ancient Israel, for failing to defend the civil rights of people such as orphans, widows, sojourners, and the poor.
    Yet another reason Christians-DUP, faithful Catholics etc. believe in influencing society is that it facilitates the spread of the gospel. Societies also are thought to be more caring and have less problems eg. health,finances,(less suicides,less depression,less crime.

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    Finally, maybe the shinners are quite astute in letting the DUP “lead”. They will get more out of the Brits than the Shinners ever could.

  • Jo

    Most of my life I liovd in fear of men bursting into my living room to kill me because of my perceived religious political beliefs.

    Now, with a few exceptions, those who would have goaded those *boys*to do that have gone. I am still slightly hauntd y the living ghost of one Mr McKevitt looking at a RN ship in Carlingford wishing he had a few suicide bombers from Omeath under his command. Perhaps its just as well that that way of thinking did’t take off in PIRA.

  • Greenflag

    ‘True ecumenism is uniting against the complete meaninglessness of anti God ,pro evolution liberalism.Paisley and many of us on this island have been fed nothing but pseudo scientific horse manure over the last 20 years. Now that peace has broken out many of us are realising what lies have been told to our children in school and universities in the name of sophisticated science education’

    Speak for yourself . Many more of us on this island believe that evolution is the process by which all life came to be from the first primordial switch to the present day . Gravity is not intelligent falling and intelligent design /creationism is the last resort of those who refuse to face reality.