Devolution of policing and justice and constitutional change…

The erudite Tom Griffin reckons that, when it comes, devolution of policing and justice will likely kick start a review of the functions of all the territorial departments.

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  • jaffa

    Anyone know why we’d even need a “Secretary of State for the Union”? Surely the only issue should be potential conflicts of laws between devolved assemblies and Westminster – which could/should be addressed by the Department of Constitutional Affairs. Administrative matters should be devolved 100% and if we need “federal” agencies in amongst our local ones can’t we can work with their respective ministers rather than have this extra Secretary of State for bossing Celts about?

  • Mick, there’s a related topic on the same site: The shambles, England’s or Britain’s?.

    Note the continuing confusion over the use of ‘Britain’ for the UK.

    Was Blair’s creation of this ‘shambles’ deliberate?

  • ulsterfan

    This article does not add anything to the debate on P&J;and is a side issue.
    The powers will be devolved when there is public confidence and not before then.

  • Don’t blame me, I voted for Durkan

    Let’s be clear here, Gerry and Marty went to St Andrews and got played for fools. All they cared about was sticking one on the stoops, and they got the usual blather from the Brits and went away happy.

    Now he’s had to swallow his own vomit on selective education and soon enough on P&J;.

    Paisley is right on this one – it won’t happen without the DUP’s say so and there is nothing the legions of the rearguard can do about it.

  • Bonar Law

    Don’t blame me, I voted for Durkan

    let’s not forget the non existant Irish Language Act 🙂

  • ulsterfan

    Bonar Law

    I think the DUP will cave in on the Language Act and do the same on P&J;.

  • BonarLaw

    ulsterfan

    perhaps, although whilst I can just about imagine P&J;devolved I can’t see enough unionist MLAs putting their hands up for an ILA.

  • DC

    And when policing is devolved it will likely be federalised or ghetto-ised in that units of control are legislated into green orange administrative units. Leaving open the possibility to also legislate for a power that permits such police units to recruitment and set policing objectives at a lower ‘community’ level with higher community control.

  • jaffa

    “I can’t see enough unionist MLAs putting their hands up for an ILA.”

    Unless perhaps shamed by our Scots relations.

    http://www.opsi.gov.uk/legislation/scotland/acts2005/asp_20050007_en_1

    It’s sad that Scotland which was 95% prod before the immigration of Irish Catholics and had cheerfully turned its back on the Jacobite Highlands now confidently values its uniqueness (including the Scots Dialect and the Gaelic language) whilst we whine that an Irish Language Act, not substantively different to that of the Welsh and Scots, will somehow reward terrorists at “our” expense.

    truamhéalach

  • BonarLaw

    DC

    no, that debate has been and gone. All that’s left is the when, how and what.

  • slug

    What happened on the on the runs issue?

  • joeCanuck

    I would strongly suspect that the “on the runs” have already quietly come home, Slug. That would be why we never hear about them.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    What would have been interesting is, if Sinn Fein and the DUP had got their act together pre STA and they both said no deal unless the British transferred power to non iron. The yankees and the ROI would have pressured London into conceding this whatever the legal/constitutional difficulties. If non iron has the right to decide the big issue ie which country it wishes to belong to it should have the right to decide lesser constitutional issues like the extent of British fiscal control- perhaps a joint SF/DUP case for the European court?

  • harry

    “And when policing is devolved it will likely be federalised or ghetto-ised in that units of control are legislated into green orange administrative units. Leaving open the possibility to also legislate for a power that permits such police units to recruitment and set policing objectives at a lower ‘community’ level with higher community control.”

    and will the green ghetto unit work at a community level from a cattle byres in Oram and their higher community control operating from a british funded office on the falls, stormont etc??

  • Comrade Stalin

    there is nothing the legions of the rearguard can do about it.

    To be sure, Paul Berry’s not that closely involved these days, and I can’t see Stephen King having anything to do with it. Unless I’ve forgotten our only gay MP.

  • dodrade

    Didn’t Northern Ireland come under the Home Office before direct rule was set up?