Quinn murder- SF worker named in police statements claim

The Sunday Indo is claiming that a person involved in the Paul Quinn murder was a SF worker at the time and has been named in statements to the police. It also claims that Quinn was on a list of 12 involved in ‘anti-social’ behaviour drawn up by the local IRA unit. SF continues to deny there was any republican involvement. Local SDLP MLA Dominic Bradley believes Conor Murphy may be in breach of the ministerial code over his behaviour.

  • agh

    Interesting that he was a SF worker at the time. Did he subsequently resign or was he ‘pushed’?

    ‘No republican involement’,wink wink, nod nod.

  • Alex S

    Over to Gerry

  • How long will Sinn Féin mainain this lie that it was just ordinary decent criminals who battered Paul Quinn to death with all the brutality and precision of, well, the IRA?

    The momentum is gathering.

  • Nevin

    Not one of the two who allegedly fled to England?

  • harry

    what? there is only one sf election worker involved??. more work to do Indo!!

  • ulsterfan

    Over to DUP what are you going to do.
    Your silence is deafening!

  • agh

    ‘How long will Sinn Féin mainain this lie that it was just ordinary decent criminals who battered Paul Quinn to death with all the brutality and precision of, well, the IRA?

    The momentum is gathering.

    Posted by El Matador on Dec 09, 2007 @ 04:40 PM’

    Not sure about the momentum El Mat. Apart from a few journalists; the media, local parties and the 2 governments appear pretty content to let these murders slide.

  • Outsider

    Its quite plain that the DUP/Sinn Fein/ira will ensure a the cover up is adequate enough to maintain the Assembley.

    However the DUP will need to ensure that any future ira murders are deemed to be ‘not santioned at the top’.

  • Agh-

    Watch this space.

  • Turgon

    ulsterfan,

    I think we have a fair idea what the DUP are going to do. They will, I suggest, do very little. There may be a bit of huffing and puffing but they will stick to the position of not being certain whether or not the IRA was corporately involved or the crime centrally ordered. Of course everyone else seems pretty convinced the IRA committed this murder in an entirely “corporate” fashion apart from them and of course one or two others.

    If that position becomes completely indefensible, if as El Matador, suggests the momentum gathers enough to be unstoppable (I share ahg’s doubts but it may happen) then I suggest Conor Murphy will be sacrificed and so the process will be allowed to continue.

    The way Murphy is being left if not exposed, then slightly to the side could allow the SF to give and the DUP to proclaim their “pound of flesh” without the whole thing falling apart.

    In this strategy they seem to be being helped by the two governments especially Mr. Woodward. I suspect the IMC will continue to play the part of the Delphic oracle and so the whole charade can continue. As I have said before it is scarcely believable that the DUP are now less concerned about IRA criminality than South Armagh republicans.

  • New Yorker

    “We have met the enemy and he is us” Would be the truthful SF response.

  • agh

    haven;t seen u about fair deal? u back on slugger?

  • Comrade Stalin

    Of course everyone else seems pretty convinced the IRA committed this murder in an entirely “corporate” fashion apart from them and of course one or two others.

    Nope, I don’t buy it. Would the IRA/SF take all the risks associated with joining the police boards and supporting policing, and then mess it up by doing this ?

    Throwing a party out of the executive when they have no direct tie to this murder would be a nonsense.

  • Mick Hall

    Leaving aside for a minute, if you can, who was involved in this murder, for any man to ask another to serve a life sentence on their behalf is a very dangerous game indeed. Firstly it is just not on when common criminality is involved, no man should be told to do that.

    If this story is true and the men in question disagree about taking the rap, what alternative do they have? One only I would suggest and that is to flip over and tout on those who did the dirty deed. Even if they were involved their thinking might go why should I be the patsy when others are prepared to put me in it.

    Beyond there own arrogance and stupidity [remind you of anyone] the Kray brothers in London were brought down by thinking they could order other men to do there time for them.
    these people descided no and turned queens evidence.

    Funny that these guys should choose to go to England? I bet a lot of beds are not being slept in tonight, are we about to see time called on the S Armagh brigade?

  • CS-

    “Would the IRA/SF take all the risks associated with joining the police boards and supporting policing, and then mess it up by doing this ?”

    Unfortunately once a beast is created, it can become difficult to control. No doubt the provisional movement has done a pretty good job at keeping its troops in line, but when people who are used to getting their way start to lose their iron grip on areas, a violent reaction is often too much to resist. This wasn’t an isolated incident- beatings take place all the time. However, this one was particularly vicious and the outcome of it we all know.

  • Turgon

    Comrade Stalin,

    I doubt SF wanted this to happen; I doubt the SF leadership in Belfast were consulted beforehand. The point is that the South Armagh IRA decided this would happen. It seems extremely unlikely; indeed, practically impossible that the IRA leadership in the area did not sanction this murder. SF’s behaviour here has also been extremely surprising if by some chance the IRA were uninvolved.

    The fact that the IRA and SF are inextricably linked is illustrated by this case. If they were not why the SF campaign against the deceased and the support group?

    The IRA in South Armagh may have calculated that this episode would be brushed aside after a few weeks (as it still may be). They may not care that much because their calculation may have been that neither the DUP nor the governments nor anyone else would bring the process down over it. I suspect that their calculation is correct and from entirely innocent motives I suggest that you are helping them in that aim.

  • Turgon

    CS,

    Sorry, that is a bit too sharp but I really think you are being naive to the point of stupidity to try to say the IRA was not involved at a very senior level.

  • I am totally disgusted to the lengths posters and administrators to go in order to implicate SF/PIRA in this terrible Quinn murder.

    Now some unnamed source states that “a Sinn Fein worker” was involved in the brutal munder in which, it seems, 15 killers were involved.

    Just what the hell is “a Sinn Fein worker”? Was he the guy who cleaned out the toilets of some SF party office? Did he belong to the party? If so, what did he actually do for it?

    And is there any chance that he will be indicted for the crime, and convicted?

    And what about the other 14 killers? Did they belong to SF too or to the UVF? Or some other Unionist or British organization? And did one of them recruit this guy to stick their brutal murder on SF/PIRA?

    And if none of the above are also involved, who is? Are the Masons? Or your Aunt Minnie?

    This whole murder has been reduced to scum-bag speculation of the most self-serving order.

  • fair_deal

    agh

    Apologies for the lack of service of late. I have been on work and domestic overload the past few weeks/months (and will be for a few weeks more) and simply haven’t had the time either to put up threads or contribute much to comment sections.

  • THF-

    “I am totally disgusted to the lengths posters and administrators to go in order to implicate SF/PIRA in this terrible Quinn murder.”

    On the other hand, I’m actually disgusted by the murder itself. It’s funny how we all have different priorities.

  • Turgon

    Trowbridge,

    I am not from South Armagh. I am aware, however, that little happens there of this nature without the IRA’s say so. By all means do not believe me. However,the following have said there was IRA involvement: the family, various local people, the support group, it appears the PSNI and Gardai though they have had a low profile of late, the IMC and indeed innumerable people on this web site, except of course you and Chris Gaskin.

    Indeed the few organisations which is trying to deny IRA involvement are the British government, DUP and of course SF themselves.

    I am sure Trowbridge you will have some outlandish theory but having never been to Northern Ireland and having previously explained how British intelligence murdered the Swedish Prime Minister maybe you should stick to area 51 and blood drinking shape shifting lizard aliens.

  • New Yorker

    El Matador

    The beast of murder, money and republicanism has been there since the 1970s. The beast effectively controls the movement, that’s why the party cannot condemn and separate.

    Where are the chipmunks tonight with their chant – ‘we have a mandate and there is no voter intimidation’? Maybe they’re chirping in Bulgaria for their heros!

  • Just your expected crap, Turgon.

    I am just trying to get posters like you from playing the role of vigilantes, especially given the inducements you get from the hacks in the British press.

    If SF/PIRA carried out this brutal murder, I hope they get everything thrown at them that the law allows, though I have seen too many false trails in the past to scapegoat them, starting with the St. Patrick’s Day raid on the RUC headquarters, to expect any positive result this time.

    And my getting involved in Hayward’s apparent role in the assassination of Sweden’s statsminister Palme started right here in Stockholm where it happened, and where I have lived for the past 11 years and been investigating the conspiracy ever since.

    You are not suggesting, are you, that one has to have been with the very assassins to have any credibility in investigating their dirty work?

    And the only reason why I have never been in N. I. is becuase its paranoid securocrats would not let me and my wife in when we came up from Dublin without the papers we were required to have, and had not been informed of.

    Sounds like a good place to miss.

  • THF-

    “And the only reason why I have never been in N. I. is becuase its paranoid securocrats would not let me and my wife in when we came up from Dublin without the papers we were required to have, and had not been informed of.”

    Sounds like someone was doing a good job.

  • toecutter

    poor auld connor murphy he put a suite on and now he thinks he is a legitimate politician.he is sucked into the brits way of doin biz .what he was crying about for years he and his cronies r now doin on their own folk.he mite say quinn isent one of his opwn but neither in the paisley crew and he is stuck that far up paisley i dont know if he is a man r a dog

  • Turgon

    Trowbridge,
    “And the only reason why I have never been in N. I. is becuase its paranoid securocrats would not let me and my wife in when we came up from Dublin without the papers we were required to have, and had not been informed of.”

    I am not going to explain why that shows how little you understand even the geography of Northern Ireland. On this thread you are a distraction. Usually you are a harmless one but in this case the issue at stake is the brutal murder of Mr. Quinn by the IRA and the attempts by SF, the DUP and yes the very British government to claim it was not really the IRA, to minimise the relevance of it, and in some cases to disparage the name of the deceased.

    Trowbridge stick stick to Olaf Palme’s and JFK’s assassination the end of the cold war, area 51 and the lizards.

  • Sounds all so typical of the shit you spread so freely, El Matador.

    As I recall, it was during the early 1970s when I had a fellowship to write a biography of most irresponsible, belated unionist, A. V. Dicey – what resulted in the volume that Barry Rose published, and in articles in Studies, Irish Historical Studies, Studia Hibernica, Eire-Ireland, etc.

    In short, at that time I was a respected academic – what I came to outgrow when I learned just what a crappy place the world really is – and the failure of the paranoid security people applied to anyone who came from the States, via the Republic, without getting the proper papers before trying to enter Ulster’s citadel.

    It was like visiting a country in the Soviet bloc.

  • Dewi

    Trow

    Enough. A boy from my village won Sports Personality of the Year so just celebrate !

  • joeCanuck

    LOL Dewi

  • Comrade Stalin

    Trowbridge,

    You seem to be angling for the “least popular Slugger poster” award. The black helicopters will be at your place shortly with your trophy.

    Turgon, I don’t think your response was too sharp, I thought it was reasonable enough. I don’t disagree with your assessment of who was behind this. The SF campaign against the support group etc. is going to be difficult for them to explain given the circumstances; but I remain unsure that Sinn Fein outside of Belfast were aware of this, or would have allowed it to proceed had they known about it – nothing could be more inimical to their interests.

    I am not interested in the South Armagh IRA getting off, in an ideal world I’d like to see the lot of them lifted and prosecuted for membership as a bare minimum. This may not be far off if SF/IRA take the risky move of expelling them en masse from their organization. I say “risky” because it’s my impression that the IRA are having real trouble keeping everything held together, and this may be the first step towards a really serious split. I’ve no doubt both the PSNI and the Garda are holding back on going to town on them for political purposes. That situation isn’t sustainable.

  • The Dubliner

    Comrade Stalin, the Army Council can’t be disbanded. It is the pension fund / assets management executive of PIRA/PSF. They have no intention of dropping a few hundred million worth of diversified assets into the donation boxes of the Sisters of Mercy.

  • Land of leather

    toecutter

    “poor auld connor murphy he put a suite on”

    I knew he was desperate to become part of the furniture at stormont, but this is extreme

  • steve

    Its amazing how an entire group with a political agenda can take nonexistant evidence stir in some assumptions and presumptions and create what is for them an open and shut case.

    Too bad reality does not match their fantasy, though if they bring back the dip lock courts I am sure the Republicans will get their usual justice from the british legal system

  • parci

    I’d suggest Gerry Adams would be better employed, getting his dodgy ass down to SA, and start shovelling shit; rather than swan around giving fancy speeches in Dublin.
    Just a bit of plain speaking !

  • Turgon

    steve,
    “I am sure the Republicans will get their usual justice from the british legal system”

    I suspect you are right about that.

    After all the “justice” that many republican and loyalist criminals got was to be let out after serving a tiny fraction of their sentences. That is of course the one who were actually convicted and sentenced. There are an awful lot of unsolved murders and does anyone seriously think anyone will go to gaol for any of them for any, let alone a sensible length of time.

    It would be at least some good news if those who committed this terrible crime went to gaol but I have little confidence that any let alone all of those responsible will.

  • steve

    Yeah Turgon nice try at obfuscation but I meant how many falsly accused republicans spent years in gaol for crimes they did not commit? On evidence manufactured by your beloved RUC

    This thread alone shows the inclination in the unionist community to make up facts still exists

  • Red Diesel

    Steve, that was a pretty pathetic attempt at a side-track. The pro-Provo fightback on this case is wandering into some pretty surreal territory, but the fact is that no one can make an alternative murder theory stand up. The only reason all this criminal feud stuff ever got printed was because Sinn Fein had so much at stake politically. But why Conor Murphy got into the hole and started digging frantically, I can’t figure out. The two governments and the DUP will back Sinn Fein all the way, but they are not going to underwrite the criminality fairy story any longer. Sinn Fein will not be the victim, but Conor just might because he involved the Taoiseach personally in his direct allegations of criminality against Paul Quinn. If he hadn’t made the direct allegations, the family might not have been able to sustain their campaign. Conor fuelled them and the Support Group with that slander, and even the Taoiseach is feeling the heat now via border backbenchers who have met the mother. There will be a climbdown soon but Conor will be left hanging up there. At that point Ian will call Martin in for a little chat on how to save the Executive, who is expendable, etc.

  • McKelvey

    “One of the key suspects who is believed to have delivered the fatal blows with an iron bar to the young south Armagh man, Paul Quinn, was a Sinn Fein worker at the time of the murder, it has emerged.”

    Believed by whom? Emerged from where? Key suspects according to whom? Cusack never actually answers this at any point in his article, this making it as believable or as anything else that’s been said or written about this murder.

  • drum

    10/12/07

    PRESS DIARY NOTE

    The second public meeting in the Quinn family’s campaign for truth and justice will take place in Crossmaglen Community Centre at 8PM on Thursday 13th December 2007.

    The Quinn family have explicitly invited four Sinn Fein councillors for Slieve Gullion ward who have not made contact with the family since the murder. Briege and Stephen Quinn said:

    “We have noted the condemnation of Paul’s murder in a recent statement on behalf of the Sinn Fein councillors and their offer of assistance in the campaign to bring his killers to justice. To the best of our knowledge, none of these councillors has made or repeated any allegation of criminality against Paul. They could assist us by attending the meeting organised by our Support Group as representatives of the area where we live and Paul lived.”

    Also invited is the newly installed chair of the Newry and Mourne District Policing Partnership, Cllr Brendan Curran. Attempts have been made to contact the Crossmaglen Community Safety group, but like other such groups in South Armagh it is not answering the phone number it has posted up on poles throughout the area. A speaking slot has been reserved for a spokesperson in the hope that they will attend.

    TDs from the border counties have been invited, as have those from further afield who have expressed interest in the case. The committee has also written to county councillors in Louth and Monaghan (except Clones district) and town councillors in Dundalk and Castleblayney. Alliance leader David Ford has sent his apologies but his representative will attend and speak. At least one of the McCartney sisters from Belfast will attend and speak.

    A further public meeting is being organised for mid-January in Castleblayney. Between now and then a series of private meetings with political, community and church leaders from north and south has been scheduled.

  • toecutter

    land of leather get my drift man did i say a tree piece suite r a tree piece suit