“It’s far better people tell the truth on the thing”

In a Belfast Telegraph article, on the future for the IMC, Brian Rowan quotes an un-named “security source” on the killing of Paul Quinn.

So, the question for the police and the IMC is how they assess the current status of those involved – what are their links to the IRA? And will the republican leadership say something by way of explanation before the IMC next reports?

“It’s far better people tell the truth on the thing,” the source continued.

Indeed. And not just the obvious “people”.Here’s a longer version of the quoted section

[IMC Commissioner] John Grieve was speaking for all four commissioners when he said: ” Despite the fact that we are saying it is a local dispute, we do believe that those who were involved included people who are members or former members or who have associations with members or former members of the Provisional IRA.”

Those comments were made last month, and they fit with the current security assessment.

One security source asked: “Those people involved, were they doing it in the strategic interests of the IRA?”.

“No,” the source answered.

“Were they doing it for criminal interests – local control?”

“Yes,” he answered.

“Did they use their skills, or former skills of the past?”

“Yes,” the source answered.

By skills he means the methods of the past – the way an attack would have been thought through and carried out.

So, the question for the police and the IMC is how they assess the current status of those involved – what are their links to the IRA? And will the republican leadership say something by way of explanation before the IMC next reports?

“It’s far better people tell the truth on the thing,” the source continued.

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  • agh

    It seems fairly clear that this act was conducted by IRA members, albeit, not sanctioned by the leadership. However, surely the republican leadership know exactly who WAS involved, or at least the identities of part of the gang.

    The silence from SF in deafening. Sure they can go on camera and tell people to go the police blah blah blah. But are they doing anything on the ground? Surely this crime happened in ‘their’ heartland – surely SF want south armagh policed just like the rest of the ‘north of ireland’?

    SF are all about human rights, but only when it suits them! Cross the path of the Ra, and u ain’t got any rights I’m afraid.

    But sure they’re a bunch of good lads really and we’ll all vote for them next time up…

  • joe

    first of all, brian rowan should not be allowed to operate as a journalist or if so, his pieces should be accompanied by a health warning along the lines of: ‘this journalist stood in the assembly election on a platform of explaining to protestant voters why they shouldn’t worry about sinn fein and the ira and everything he writes should be seen in that light’;

    secondly, getting rid of the imc reflects exactly the agenda of his friends in sf and those elements in the dup who want this rotten government to survive – i.e. let’s all turn a blind eye to the paul quinn’s and robert mccartney’s of n.i. – the imc should not go until the last of adams’ soldiers have been demobbed.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    It is going to be another late night for Chris Gaskin arguing here with every man and his dog that SF have a plausible position. He’s still going strong on last Thursday’s thread as of a few minutes ago.

  • joeCanuck

    But as Jack said
    “Some people can’t handle the truth.”

  • Dread Cthulhu

    joe: “But as Jack said “Some people can’t handle the truth.” ”

    *heh*

    Chris needs a head-dress and a pharotic barge, just to deal with the rising levels of denial.

  • Ulster’s my homeland

    I hate lies too.

    why can’t Martin and Ian demand that truth and reconciliation should begin?

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Umh: “why can’t Martin and Ian demand that truth and reconciliation should begin? ”

    Because, I suspect, that truth, in the case of N.I., might get in the way of the reconciliation.

    We’ve seen it cut both ways on this board, Unionists re: collusion, Republicans re: PIRA’s on-going follies.

    What happens if the UK decides that the truth really does need to out and releases all their files on everything they’ve done in N.I. during the Troubles and everything they knew the other players had done? The shite wouldn’t merely hit the fan, it would smother it. There are too many folks with too much to lose, the chuckle brothers included, were the whole unfettered, unexpurgigated, uncut truth were to float to the surface, like some giant rat-turd in the punch-bowl.

  • The Raven

    “why can’t Martin and Ian demand that truth and reconciliation should begin?”

    Because – and I don’t believe it but I am about to join the naysayers on this one – we may get some elements of the latter, but I doubt we’ll ever see the former.

  • New Yorker

    There is a serious cloud over the present government in NI until the Quinn murder issue is properly addressed. The IMC needs to make a statement very soon.

  • gareth mccord

    Its amazing that brain “i love davy ervine” rowan should be even reporting that the truth should be told??
    His now in hell mentor davy “denial” ervine hid the truth twisted the truth and buried the truth on alot off murders, drug dealing and general every day activities of the u.v.f.
    I wonder why rowan never got the truth out of ervine or why he didnt report the truth and remained “friends” with a “scumbag”!!(by his own admission)

  • parci

    Its far batter to tell the truth on the thing.

    In a purist sense, I offer this as a definition of denial, it may help us understand why people can’t tell the truth; and assist the discussion:

    “In the psychological sense, denial is a defense mechanism in which a person, faced with a painful fact, rejects the reality of that fact. They will insist that the fact is not true despite what may be overwhelming and irrefutable evidence.

    There are three forms of denial. Simple denial is when the painful fact is denied altogether. Minimisational denial is when the painful fact is admitted but its seriousness is downplayed. Transference denial is when the painful fact is admitted, the seriousness also admitted, but one’s moral responsibility in the situation involving the painful fact is downplayed.

    When a person is in denial, they engage in distractive or escapist strategies to reduce stress and help them cope. The effect upon psychological well-being in doing this is unclear.”

  • Jo

    “His now in hell mentor davy “denial” ervine ”

    Lovely.

  • gareth mccord

    yes you go to hell if you are invovled in murder and crime or so the “good book” says. You reap what you sow!! I hope he rots in hell with the rest of the “scumbags”. people can be forgiven if they repent and help those whose lives they destroyed but those who even on their death bed still wont give peace and justice to the victims get what the “big mans” in store for them!!

  • toecutter

    its hillarious to hear shame fein talking about a country of equals and peoples rights.mr adams dosent really believe that .his hard core voter is from the housing estate areas where they buy cheap cigaretts and anything thats knocked off as long as its a bargain .now r they crimnals as mr adams would like to call them.he is on his high horse now that he is in power .now he is the same as the unionists what a turnaround