Sinn Fein office attacked again

The fire which badly damaged a Sinn Fein office in Lisnaskea two weeks ago has been followed by another attack on the village’s Sinn Fein office. In the latest incident, a brick thrown through the window in the office was accompanied by an envelope containing a note and bullets, naming a number of party representatives as targets.

  • FRU

    It was Sir John

  • I had hoped that such “events” were a thing of the past on all sides

  • PeaceandJustice

    Such incidents must be condemned by all the political parties. It must however be noted that a lot of people in border counties such as Fermanagh have suffered at the hands of SF IRA. The healing process should be started by SF IRA saying “sorry” to all the families of UDR/RIR and RUC members who have had to witness their loved ones being murdered by SF IRA cowards. All these families see is SF IRA having got away with murdering their loved ones and some of those killers in prominent positions in the organisation.

    I repeat, all attacks should be condemned and need to stop. But SF IRA need to start a truth and healing process to help the victims it has created.

  • Sean

    Peace and justice(what a joke)
    If saying sorry is so important why doesnt your side start and apologize for 80 years of supresion and gerrymandering.

  • Billy

    Peace&Justice

    You’ve outdone yourself this time.

    The subject of the thread is death threats against 3 members of Sinn Fein from a “Loyalist” terrorist group who have as yet to decommission 1 single bullet.

    Yet, in your post of 8 lines you’ve managed to mention the IRA 5 times and their victims 4 times.

    Amazingly (heavy on the irony), you have not made 1 mention of the “loyalist” terrorists who made these death threats. You haven’t mentioned any “loyalist” terrorists at all despite the fact that they WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS ATTACK AND THESE DEATH THREATS.

    No matter what “loyalist” terrorists do, you always seem to mange to avoid condeming them but get plenty of anti SF stuff in.

    You are indeed the king of whataboutery.

    Perhaps, we could start a thread dealing with “loyalist” attrocities against innocent Catholics. I’m sure you’d manage to pen a piece on each one that completely avoided any mention of “loyalist” terrorists or sectarian murders committed by “loyalists”.

    Going by previous behaviour, you would blame it on the Catholic/Nationalist people.

    You really are a piece of work.

    “Peace&Justice” – what a laugh!

  • Peace and Justice:
    like the Loyalist weapons you fail to mention your wartime mindset needs to be decommisioned.
    Time to move on.
    There were part-time members of the “security forces” in Border area who double jobbed as Loyalist hitmen.
    They also “got away with it”
    They shouldnt now be targetted or intimidated either.
    As I said.
    Time to move on.
    Try it.

  • PeaceandJustice

    Sean – “If saying sorry is so important why doesnt your side start …”

    As SF IRA are now in Government, they should apologise for the victims they created. We can all go back much further and point out issues such as the ethnic cleansing of Protestants in Eire. But let’s deal with the current situation. SF IRA often talk about the causes of conflict. Here we have a situation where SF IRA offices are being attacked, which I condemn. But they created many victims in that area of Fermanagh. Time for the truth and an apology from SF IRA.

    Billy – “you always seem to mange to avoid condeming them [Loyalists]”

    Can you not read? I said “all attacks should be condemned and need to stop”. Are you Brian Feeney in disguise?!

    phil macgiollabhain – “There were part-time members of the ‘security forces’ in Border area who double jobbed as Loyalist hitmen.”

    Trying to equate SF IRA death squads with brave members of the security forces doesn’t add up. In Fermanagh where this incident happened, there were hardly any attacks by Loyalists on SF IRA members. Even though the Protestant community was getting butchered by the SF IRA death squads. The UDR/RIR and RUC men believed in upholding the rule of law – a new concept for SF IRA which many in that group are still trying to get their heads around.

    Remember Gildernew’s comments when asked if she would report armed dissident Republicans to the police. She said that she would not.

  • “In Fermanagh where this incident happened, there were hardly any attacks by Loyalists on SF IRA members. Even though the Protestant community was getting butchered by the SF IRA death squads”

    Collusion and joint membership between members of the security forces and loyalist paramilitaries is beyond dispute.
    The targetting of SF elected politicians is wrong and should not be weak in your condemnation of it.
    if Dissident Republicans sent bullets and threats to Unionist polticians you would be strong in your condemnation.
    You would be right to do that and I would join you in that condemnation.
    Try and be consistent in your support of democracy and the role of elected representatives.

  • Sean

    please inform me who were the SF victims?

    I know there were some IRA innocent victims but I have never seen any evidence of any SF victims, would you clarify for me cheese and injustice

  • USA

    Peace and Justice,
    You need to get out more.

  • Billy

    Peace&Justice

    >>Can you not read? I said “all attacks should be condemned and need to stop”. Are you Brian Feeney in disguise?!< 90% of your post is droning on about Republican terror groups.

    In case you hadn’t noticed, BOTH communities here suffered from violence and BOTH communities lost hundreds of innocent victims to terrorist scumbags.

    I have never seen you either:

    Condemn “loyalist” violence with anything like the same vitriol that you condemn Republican violence.

    Condemn “loyalist” violence without resorting to blatent whataboutery – your post on this thread being a classic example.

    I may disagree with many Unionist posters on this site but I respect many of them because they are unambiguous in the condemnation of ALL terrorism.

    You may try to claim otherwise but your posts betray your clear double standards.

    That’s why I (and many others) find you user name so laughable.

  • willis

    P&J

    If Big Ian can do it what are you waiting for?

  • Any Young Unionists on the roof?

  • Bemused

    Lads, lads, lads – at the risk of stating the obvious – PeaceandJustice is a troll – stop wasting your energies in responding to him.

  • POL

    p&j
    Trying to equate SF IRA death squads with brave members of the security forces doesn’t add up. In Fermanagh where this incident happened, there were hardly any attacks by Loyalists on SF IRA members. Even though the Protestant community was getting butchered by the SF IRA death squads. The UDR/RIR and RUC men believed in upholding the rule of law – a new concept for SF IRA which many in that group are still trying to get their heads around.

    Now lets see now “MIAMI SHOWBAND MURDERERS”…Billy Mc Caughy etc. All pillars of society.

  • Cormac

    I agree, don’t feed the trolls.

    I had an image of P&J spluttering into his cornflakes as I read the thread headline (threadline?)… and opening the comments section I wasn’t surprised!

    The man/woman must get up early in the morning…

  • PeaceandJustice

    Sean – “please inform me who were the SF victims?”

    As Bertie Ahern said, Sinn Fein and the IRA are two sides of the same coin. In Fermanagh, Owen Carron Sinn Fein IRA MP was caught with guns – a strange way to be doing constituency work. Sean Lynch SF IRA Fermanagh served twelve years in prison and was IRA ‘Officer Commanding’ in prison from 1993 to 1996. So there were lots of SF IRA victims. (BTW ‘Sean’, where are you from?)

    phil macgiollabhain – “if Dissident Republicans sent bullets and threats to Unionist polticians you would be strong in your condemnation. You would be right to do that and I would join you in that condemnation.”

    I’ve already stated I condemn all attacks and they should stop. But in February when Fermanagh Sinn Fein IRA MP Gildernew was asked if she would report dissendent Republicans with guns to the police, she says: “I personally wouldn’t”. How does that make Unionists feel? Is she now asking Unionists to report dissident Loyalists to the police? Why does Fermanagh SF IRA think it’s OK for dissident Republicans to use guns against their Protestant neighbours?

    Billy – “I have never seen you … condemn ‘loyalist’ violence with anything like the same vitriol that you condemn Republican violence.”

    I condemn both. But the majority of people posting on this site keep giving excuses for SF IRA violence while condemning everyone else. So it’s important for the other side of the story to be told – even though most Roman Catholics on this site don’t want a Protestant about the place.

    POL – “Now lets see now Miami Showband murderers … “.
    That wasn’t in Fermanagh. The hard facts are that if there was as much so-called collusion as claimed by SF IRA, then SF IRA would have suffered greatly. In Fermanagh, Protestants supported the security forces even while they were being attacked by SF IRA cowards using the cover of darkness.

    Cormac – “I agree, don’t feed the trolls.”
    SF IRA have always talked about the causes of conflict. Here we have an issue where SF IRA offices are being attacked – which is wrong. But it’s only right we examine the possible reasons why this might be happening. Sinn Fein IRA need to start a truth and healing process by saying sorry to ALL their victims in Fermanagh and elsewhere.

  • Gréagóir O’ Frainclín

    and so says Peace and Justice…..

    ‘We can all go back much further and point out issues such as the ethnic cleansing of Protestants in Eire.’

    The above statement is ludicrous. Protestants in EIRE were not subjected to the horrors of ethnic cleansing as Peace and Justice would have us believe. Unlike the north there were no terrace upon terrace of house burnings and the destitution of families. Alot of whom fled over the border into the south. Both Catholic and Protestants families suffered this fate in NI.

    The decrease of the Protestant population in the south was due to a number of factors, the coming to the fore of the prominence of the Catholic Church and with it, the stifling social atmosphere which Protestants found rather unwelcome and understandably so too. But mainly and probably most of all was the downturn of the economy.
    Today however, the Protestant population in the south is on the increase again due to the Celtic Tiger and this is very much welcomed, although no one gives a care of ones religion, unlike some folk still in NI. The Catholic Church in the south has lost the hold it once had and people particularly the young don’t give a flying fuck about the church anymore.
    We have many promenant Protestants in public life in the south; the arts, politics, entertainment, sport etc… i.e. 3 members of U2, the former leader of the Green Party, a well known RTE journalist and reporter, a famous gay comedian that has been prominent in the UK for many years, etc…are all Protestants and Irish!

  • Joseph O’Connor&Gerard Devlin

    ‘Bout SF office attacked:I blame this act as I’ve always blamed similar actions led by shinners against dissident families in Ballymurphy.

    ’bout P&J:Every resistance and liberation war(AND OGLAIGH NA hEIREANN DO A RESISTANCE AND LIBERATION WAR)has achieved worst mistakes,and SOME IRA members have.But they will never succeed in exceeding all crimes perpetrated by RUC/PSNI,loyalist organizations and occupying british.Even some partisans,during the II world war,muredered innocent people just because they were relatives of nazys.But Nobody would condemn the WHOLE partisan movement,because its leading way was to free the own native land:the same aim that has been inspiring Irish Soldiers for 800 years!Civilian victims are unfortunately unavoidable in a conflict,but using them for the own targets(and you’re doing it)means killing another time.

  • Sean

    cheese and injustice
    You still have not provided a single victim or a single incident of Sinn Fein violence. To allow ones enemies to define you is both ludicrous and self defeating, so when some one like Ahern tries to tell us what SF is then you would have to allow the republicans to define the terms of the unionist politicians.

    As for SF members who were members or are even still members of the IRA unless they have commited acts of violence under the flag of SF then the sins of the father can not be confered on the son. After all cheese and injustice I am sure you have forgiven Pasiley his paramilitary pass or Mcrea’s his. So try to be chrisitan about the whole thing and forgive the sins of the past and turn the other cheek

    Oh and I am Canadian and have never denied or tried to hide that fact, I though this was a political blog that encourages the free flow of opinion and information not a citizens complaint bureau where before I was allowed an opinion I had to register my nationality

  • Joseph O’Connor&Gerard Devlin

    P&J,why don’t you read this statement appeared on An Phoblacht?

    IRA offers apology:

    The following is the text of a statement supplied to An Phoblacht from Óglaigh na hÉireann:

    On 3 September 1971 Angela Gallagher, who was 17-months-old, was killed after she was struck by a ricochet when the IRA fired shots at a British army patrol in the Iveagh Drive /Iveagh Street area of Belfast.
    The IRA leadership offers its sincere apologies to the family of Angela Gallagher for the pain and heartache that they have suffered as a result of our action

    Maraíodh Angela Gallagher, leanbh 17mí, nuair a scaoileadh í ag ricochet ar an 3ú Meán Fómhar 1971 nuair a lámhaigh Óglaigh na hÉireann ar scuad de chuid Arm na Breataine sa cheantar Cabhsa Iveagh – Sraid Iveagh de Bhéal Feirste.
    Tá ceannaireacht Óglaigh na hÉireann ag tairscint leithscéalta ón chroí do chlann Angela Gallagher as an bhuairt agus an bhriseadh chroí atá fulaingthe acú mar thoradh gnímh s’againn.

  • PeaceandJustice

    Sean – “I am Canadian”.

    You’ve either been brainwashed or you have some connection. I wouldn’t have any desire to go on a Canadian blog and give support to a violent terrorist organisation. Has the Northern Bank money reached Canada?!

    Sean – “You still have not provided a single victim or a single incident of Sinn Fein violence.”

    Obviously you have your own agenda. The facts speak for themselves – see my earlier post. And what do you think of Sinn Fein IRA MP Gildernew saying she wouldn’t report armed dissident Republicans to the police?

    It’s important given that the offices which were attacked are used by her and the Sinn Fein IRA group.

  • odonnellp

    Joseph O’Connor & Gerard Devlin?

    Strange handle…please do explain…

  • joeCanuck

    P&J

    I have noticed many times that you say you condemn all attacks, “BUT“….
    That “but” is a very ugly word.

  • Sean

    Cheese and injustice
    I am not nor have I ever been brain washed or Catholic, I will admit a slight prejudice against the “crown” and the imperialistic ways it applies it forces. But then like most weesterners and North Americans in particular I have a natural prejudice against all imperialism. Yes I know Canada is technically under the rule of the “crown” but she is just a figure head I think we retain mostly to differentiate ourselves from our american cousins. 30 years ago when they still played god save the queen in our schools I refused to stand for it then and refuse to stand for it now, though they dont play it now thank god.

    As for the northern bank robbery what proof do you have, that no one else has, that the IRA was involved in that? I for one have never seen a single shred of evidence that links the IRA directly or indirectly to the robbery, though I do recall there is proof that the police were involved by virtue of the money found secreted in THEIR possesion.

    Every one has their own agenda including you so I think no further explanation is needed on that

    Every one has to live by their own conscience including Gildernew, If she can not report republicans to crown forces that slaughtered republicans indiscriminately for 400 years then thats her conscience and she has to live with it. How many crimes have you witnessed that you did not report to the police? Dozens? Hundreds? Why didnt you report them? Surely its every citizens duty to go squealing to the PSNI when they see a crime? Did you report your local 11th night bonfire for burning tyres? Did you attempt to stop the criminals from burning these tyres? Why not surely they are criminals and should be turned in for appropriate punishment?

    People in glass houses should not throw stones!

    By your recooning there is no excuse for violence but in your own post
    It’s important given that the offices which were attacked are used by her and the Sinn Fein IRA group
    you equivocate and make excuses for violence and seem to believe that its acceptable because its loyalist violence against republicans, where exactly do YOU draw the line. And who scrubbed your logic circuits clean?

  • PeaceandJustice

    joeCanuck – “That ‘but’ is a very ugly word”

    Yes I condemn all attacks BUT Sinn Fein IRA MP Gildernew says she wouldn’t report armed dissident Republicans to the police … BUT you don’t seem to have a problem with that. What we want is no ifs and no buts from Gildernew. Perhaps that would help to reassure the Unionist people of Fermanagh.

  • P&J
    The question to Gildernew was a misnomer, it was a hypothetical.
    SF are comitted to taking the gun out of irish politics; have brought about IRA decomissioning, are opposed to dissident republican groups, and support the PSNI.
    Neither she nor anyone is required by law to report the whereabouts of guns.
    Currently loyalists haven’t given up one bullet; are still engaged in internecine warfare etc, and making stupid threats by brick; so they and they alone need to get with the programme.

  • Jospeh O’Connor&Gerard Devlin

    Odonnnelp,

    It’s simple,I admire those men…It’s a symbolical manner for saluting them.We owe their sacrifice a lot.

  • Garibaldy

    Sean,

    I see according to yourself Crown forces have been slaughtering republicans for 400 years. If you mean Catholics, say it. The only republicans in Ireland prior to the C18th were Cromwell and his supporters.

  • “The only republicans in Ireland prior to the C18th were Cromwell and his supporters.”

    Yes, a vicious bunch of anti-catholic butchers. Where being catholic in England was a dangerous thing to be until the 20th century.

  • Garibaldy

    Dave,

    While I’m questioning people’s historical accuracy: you’re probably right about Cromwell being an anti-Catholic butcher (although his behaviour was representative of European norms at the time) but the idea that being a Catholic in England was dangerous until the C20th is, I think, frankly wrong. Legal discrimination continued until Emancipation (excepting of course the terms of the Act of Settlement) although a lot of the social stigma had long gone by then. As for the idea it was dangerous, any specific examples of anti-Catholic violence in England duirng the latter half of the C19th you might have in mind?

  • Hi Garibaldy.

    From a quick search I found.

    Anti-Catholicism
    One of the greatest spurs to Orangeism in mid-Victorian England came from the no-popery demagogue, William Murphy. He looms large in a number of works, including W.L Arnstein, `The Murphy Riots: a Victorian Dilemma’, in Victorian Studies, 19 (1) Sept. 1975, D.C. Richter, Riotous Victorians (Athens, Ohio, 1981), R. Swift, `”Another Stafford street row:” law, order and the Irish presence in mid-Victorian Wolverhampton’, in Immigrants and Minorities, 3, (1) March 1984. Related works on anti-Irish violence sometimes include treatment of the Orange Order: N. Kirk, `Ethnicity, Class and Popular Toryism, 1850-1870′, in K. Lunn (ed.), Hosts, Immigrants and minorities: historical responses to newcomers in British Society, 1870-1914 (Folkestone, 1980) (which was reprinted in his The growth of working-class reformism in mid-Victorian England [Chicago and Urbana, 1985] ); Tom Gallagher, `A tale of two cities. Communal strife in Glasgow and Liverpool before 1914′ and P. Millward, `The Stockport riots of 1852: a study of anti-Catholic and anti-Irish sentiment’, both in R. Swift, & S. Gilley (eds.), Irish in the Victorian City (London, 1985). On of Scotland’s most notorious anti-Catholic activists is brought to life in Tom Gallagher’s Edinburgh Divided: John Cormack and No Popery in the 1930s (Edinburgh, 1987), as is another in Colin Holmes, `Alexander Ratcliffe: militant Protestant and anti-Semite’ in T. Kusher and K. Lunn (eds), Traditions of intolerance: historical perspectives on Fascism and race discourse in Britain (Manchester, 1989),

    Anyway that’s a start.

  • Sean

    Garibaldy
    Do NOT transfer your prejudices onto me

  • Garibaldy

    Sean,

    I asked a question. There were no republicans in Ireland 400 years ago. Nor in England for that matter. So what republicans were you talking about when you said that Crown forces had been slaughtering republicans for 400 years as justification for Gildnernew’s refusal to give information on crown forces? I find it difficult to surmise that you mean anything other Irish Catholics given the context of the conversation. Please explain if/how I am wrong, rather than mistakenly suggest I have prejudices in this area.

    Dave,

    The sectarian problems in Liverpool (or Glasgow), or the persistence of a fairly militant orangeism in sections of Birmingham and elsewhere still do not add up to it being dangerous to be a Catholic in England until the C20th. The reality is that while there were occasional riots and a hell of a lot of prejudice there was little ongoing violence against persons throughout the period. It may have been disadvantageous to be a Catholic in some places (although often that depended on your class), but to say it was dangerous to be a Catholic in England before the C20th is a gross exaggeration.

  • Garibaldy, from what I’ve read Catholic and Irish were synonymous in the 19th century.

    Here’s a review of Edward Lengel’s “The Irish through British Eyes: Perceptions of Ireland in the Famine Era”

    “Lengel has written a thoughtful account of the paradigm shift in educated British opinion about Ireland during the famine era (1845-52). Studying pamphlets, newspapers, and periodicals published in the 1840s and 1850s, along with unpublished manuscript sources, he demonstrates the swing during the famine years from sympathetic, gently condescending attitudes toward the Irish to derisive hostility. A racist paradigm–frequently comparing the Irish to Africans–held by a small minority in 1845 metamorphosed in less than a decade into a MAJORITY POSITION. Lengel attributes this 180-degree swing partly to defensiveness over British famine policy’s vacillations and failures, but more to fear of the “moral contamination” of mass Irish Catholic migration to Britain or of losing control over “John Bull’s other island” to Irish republicans or foreign powers. Alluded to by Christine Kinealy, Richard Ned Lebow, Cormac O’Grada, and other recent historians, these themes are clearly spelled out in a work mercifully free of poststructuralist jargon. Recommended for all Irish history collections, upper-division undergraduates and above.”–Choice

    In your eyes an occasional riot may be not much but I’m sure the catholics on the receiving end of it would report differently. It would be a part of a continuum which infected britian from the days of Henry VIII, Guy fawkes, titus oates, the penal laws and so on.

    We’ll never truly know, as we weren’t there, you have your beliefs on what happened, I have mine, the truth is probably somewhere in between.

  • Garibaldy

    Dave,

    We agree on the continued existence of a large element of discrimination, particularly aimed against working-class migrants from Ireland. So I guess that’s fair enough.

  • Grand Garibaldy.

    No problem. Nice to have debated with you.

    Take care.

  • Sean

    Garibaldy
    Okay I can concede they werent republicans so…
    Crown forces have been slaughtering Irish Freedom fighters for 400 years

  • PeaceandJustice

    parci – “SF are comitted to taking the gun out of irish politics”

    You don’t need to quote the SF IRA manual to me.

    parci – “Neither she [Gildernew]nor anyone is required by law to report the whereabouts of guns.”

    The question she was asked was whether or not she would report armed dissidents to the police. If you see people with illegal weapons which could be used to murder people, it certainly is your duty as a citizen to report them to the police. However, I appreciate law and order is still a new thing for SF IRA terrorists – some house training is obviously still required.

    Sean –
    You obviously supported the murder, torture and ethnic cleansing carried out by the SF IRA terrorists. I hope the Canadian Government is aware of your support of terrorist groups and the murder of innocent men, women and children. It seems a waste of time debating with you. You are a sectarian bigot who agreed with the SF IRA killing spree. Maybe you should consider their victims for a moment – I’m sure you would not be bragging so much about SF IRA killing people if death had visited your family.

  • Reader

    Sean: Crown forces have been slaughtering Irish Freedom fighters for 400 years
    I think you must be including the Catholic Confederacy, Anglo-Irish Royalists, and Divine-Right Royalists as your “Freedom fighters” for at least the first 100 years. Which is hardly a proper Republican perspective!

  • Sean

    cheese and injustice
    Sean –
    You obviously supported the murder, torture and ethnic cleansing carried out by the SF IRA terrorists. I hope the Canadian Government is aware of your support of terrorist groups and the murder of innocent men, women and children. It seems a waste of time debating with you. You are a sectarian bigot who agreed with the SF IRA killing spree. Maybe you should consider their victims for a moment – I’m sure you would not be bragging so much about SF IRA killing people if death had visited your family.

    Posted by PeaceandJustice on Sep 15, 2007 @ 02:02 PM

    Lets start with the obvious with your suport of unionist politics you are the pot calling the kettle black and have no right to lecture me about terrorists because while I do believe in their cause I have never supported them in any practical manner, Can you say the same thing?

    You are the sectarian bigot because you are the one tyo introduce religion into the equation, I am simply against injustice and the perversion that is the english government.

    I have considered the victims but I see them on both sides of the divide while your narrow sectarian vision can only see usems as victims and themuns as deserving being killed, apparently even if they are innocent people doing their jobs or wee babes playing in the street.

    As for the Canadian government they can kiss my ass, I live in a free society where I dont have to worry about state sponsored death squads kicking in my door and shooting me over sunday dinner with the family.

    Reader
    Probably a good thing I dont let other people do my thinking for me then, isnt it?

  • BogExile

    Whenever I feel a bit down about NI politics and the inability of Unionism to unite and defend its position it always cheers me to read foeigners spout agressive, misinformed republican agit-prop of the type which Sean personifies.

    If there’s one thing which will energise any Unionist it is the welcome return of revisionist, hysterical, pseudo-intellectual clap trap which caricatures our suffering and attempts from afar to deify the dirtiest and most ignoble chapter of IRA violence – the ethnic cleansing of South Fermanagh’s protestant minority. It helps convince us you haven’t really changed a jot, you see:)

    So this irrational, nasty, syntactically challenged little rant from Sean (who probably couln’t locate Fermanagh on a map) has actually deflected everybody from the central issue which is that the attack on Sinn Fein’s offices is completely wrong and only confers a spurious victimhood on them which they ill deserve in that part of the world where their paramilitary wing indulged in such wanton destruction of human life.

  • Sean

    Ethnically cleansed? And you think my opinion is wrong lol you dont have a clue if you think ethnic cleansing was practiced!

  • PeaceandJustice

    Sean – “[You] have no right to lecture me about terrorists because while I do believe in their cause I have never supported them in any practical manner, Can you say the same thing?”

    So you’re just some loud mouth, a cheerleader for death squads. If you read my posts, you would know where I stand. Unlike you, I condemn all terrorism.

    Sean – “I live in a free society where I dont have to worry about … death squads kicking in my door and shooting me over sunday dinner with the family.”

    Are you talking about Sinn Fein IRA death squads who murdered many many innocent people in front of their families? I wish you luck in life given your support for the ending of innocent lives and the pain and destruction caused to families.

  • Sean

    cheese and injustice
    You only condemn terrorism that you define as terrorism, you conveniently fail to accept that much of the governments actions and the actions of your party were terrorist actions

    as to your second point, nice editing you know full well who and what I meant, just more of your denial that your side is as guilty or more guilty then republicans are after all it is a well established fact that the loyalists started the troubles they just didnt get the response they wanted

  • PeaceandJustice

    To Sean –
    It’s always the fault of everyone else. You are a sectarian bigot who apparently was a cheerleader for murder – but didn’t get your own hands dirty.

    It’s a waste of time debating with you. Give my regards to your ‘happy family’ and think about those families living with the pain of Sinn Fein IRA violence.

  • Sean

    what of those living with the pain of RUC violence
    or paratrooper violence
    or B special violence
    or UVF violence
    or UDA violenc
    or Black watch violence
    or Orange order violence
    or third force violence
    or the violence of collusion

    You my dear friend arent worth debating because you cant see past the end of your nose

    The republicans were not worse then the loyalists and infact isnt it true Innocent loyalist victims out number IRA victims

    PS except for a few notable exceptions like the South Armagh killings the IRA were not sectarian they were political it was the loyalist scum that specialized in sectarian killings

  • PeaceandJustice

    Sean – “except for a few notable exceptions like the South Armagh killings the IRA were not sectarian.”

    Well, it’s a start that you admit Sinn Fein IRA murdered people because they were Protestants in South Armagh. The same thing happened in other border counties. They also murdered Unionist politicians in a bid to silence their opponents.

    During the so-called ‘Troubles’, approximately 60% of the victims were killed by republican death squads. The graveyards are there for everyone to see.