UDA have 60 days to comply..

The Social Development Minister Margaret Ritchie has stated that the UDA must engage in a process of decommissioning, overseen by DeChastelain, and move to end criminality if the funding of the UPRG project is to proceed. And they have 60 days to do that in. Personally I’m with Hugh Orde.. and they’ve had more than enough time already. I’ll add any more details as they emerge. Adds Press release from the Department here. And the Minister’s full statement here Update According to a usually reliable Slugger source the Social Development Minister wanted to withdraw the funding immediately.. but none of her Executive colleagues would support that position. Which brings into question what will happen after the 60 days are up..From the Minister’s statement

I have decided therefore that the funding for the CTI project will cease unless there is clear evidence that the UDA means what it says. The funding will end 60 days from now unless there is clear and demonstrable evidence that the UDA has engaged meaningfully with the IICD and has started to decommission its weapons.

I will also want to see evidence that the UDA has moved irreversibly away from criminality and violence to positive and lawful community transformation.

If the evidence and commitment that I seek are forthcoming the funding for the project will remain in place for the three year period as long as the progress towards decommissioning and reducing violence and criminality is sustained.

If, however, what I seek is not evident within 60 days the funding will stop and the project will be wound up. Consequently I have suggested to the Farset organisation, which administers the project, that the staff involved whose interests need to be recognised be put on protective notice.

The conflict is over but the peace is not easy.

This is a test of that.

I’d suggest they’ve already failed that test..

More Sinn Féin’s Alex Maskey criticises the announcement as “public posturing”… while Irish Government Minister Dermot Ahern supports the move.

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  • Cruimh

    IF they want to show they are serious there should be legislation tabled that anybody caught with illegal explosives, bomb making equipment or firearms gets a mandatory life sentence wih a minimum jail term of 25 years.

  • Tkmaxx

    At last someone is tackling the elephant in the room. Fair play to Margaret. Personally very courageous.

  • The Penguin

    Tkmaxx
    I can do not better than agree completely with what you said.

  • Wee slabber

    Fair play to Margaret. Now watch them thugs squirm. Decommissioning hasn’t gone away, you know!

  • al

    The mind boggles as to why ANY money at all is ever going to be paid to the likes of the UDA.

    The whole situation is lunacy and would not occur anywhere else.

  • Insider

    Whoa – stop the rush. Two months ago Mags said she was going to stop the money. Now 2 months later she is sdaying she is going to give it another 2 months before deciding what to do.

    Anyway surely it is some kind of mistake to even link public money for guns.

  • Blue Hammer

    But then neither would having unrepentant terrorists in government.

    ///The whole situation is lunacy and would not occur anywhere else. ///

  • Hogan from County Tyrone

    I think Ritchie is spot on. Watch the appeasing scum in the NIO try and offer their buddies in the UDA some political cover. Watch for the dirty-tricks against the minister as well!

    This was a brave decision and i don’t mean in the Sir Humphrey sense!

  • Dawkins

    Good thing the Social Development portfolio didn’t go to a Sinn Féin MLA. It would have meant damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

  • Ginfizz

    Absolutely brilliant. Make those b*stards squirm. A big well done from this Unionist!

  • I Wonder

    “Well done, Margaret.” 🙂

  • “gets a mandatory life sentence wih a minimum jail term of 25 years”.. lol
    but stopping short of daisy-cutters eh.

    Dear oh dear the self-righteous condemnation, and desperate attempts at distancing oneself from the stink to claim moral purity is toxic.
    You ain’t fooling me one little bit with that hang em and flog em rant.

    Good move margaret.

  • ath

    yup, I think the majority of unionists and nationalists will be fairly satisfied with this decision. Question now is, will the UDA throw the rattle out of the pram and go nuts, or will they take this all on board and try to get their drinking tokens back. Certainly a much better decision that remving the cash altogther – puts the ball firmly in the UDAs court – nice move and listening to the speach, it was well written and delivered effectively.
    I wonder what the reponse from the other parties will be – I think they;ll find it hard to argue with her – perhaps SF will deand immediate withdrawl of the funds?

  • baldrick45

    Yo Margaret – Respec’ ‘iz due

    Big thumbs up from this Unionist too. Now let ARA/SOCA or whatever take away all their Beemers, holiday homes in Spain and the £25k they just happen to have kept in a shoe box from that time when they had that really big windown the bookies.

    Frig me, Some of them might even need to get a job!

    b45 :p

  • I’m still mystified as to why any money at all is going to them. I can think of atleast 4 or 5 projects in East Belfast alone who despirately need a cash infusion and aren’t fronted by anyone in the UPRG, yet their cries for funding sre ignored.

  • Hogan from County Tyrone

    ATH

    Alliance already have!

    Hardly surprising she didn’t cut the funding immediately really. All her officals would have been advising against any cuts, telling her it would be impossible etc. All of course nonsense but it would have been the instruction from the Chief mandarins in Stormont castle to keep the scum on their money leash.

  • Dec

    Cue Frankie Gallagher with some thinly veiled threats…

  • I Wonder

    It’s not lunacy but it IS a logical consequence of not taking the option of “extreme prejudice” – much though certain extreme right-wingers would have had government doing for thirty years and would still have it do, even in peacetime.

    NOT using daisy cutters or napalm as the preferred option is what helps give Government a moral authority above that of unelectable armchair generals and guttersnipes.

  • justthoughtidask

    Dec
    Of course. Frankie will be trawling through his well thumbed Conflict Resolution for Beginners handbook right at this minute searching out the terrorist spokeman’s cliches for this situation.
    They just roll out of him without challenge even though it’s obvious he hasn’t the first clue what they mean himself.

  • joeCanuck

    Yes indeed, the elephant is now truly in focus.
    Don’t criticize the Minister too much for allowing 60 days. At least we now have a firm deadline.

  • Cuchulainn

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/6939636.stm

    alex maskey is attacking Ms Richie for not showing decisive leadership,

    i wonder how the SF ministers on the executive feel about these comments!!!

    and what they siad in the executive?

  • Hogan from County Tyrone

    Spot on Cuchulainn.

    This decision could have been taken at Executive level. And it would have sent out a stronger message to the scum.

    Why was there no pressure from the DFM’s office to support Ritchie? Perhaps he has closer links to the UDA’s paymasters in the NIO than we think?

  • E Belfast

    Good move Margaret

    If they think they are going to get government money, they need to show they are open to change. They are the ones holding back East Belfast.

  • Ben

    All the fuss about a million quid or two.. has that become big money to the paramilitaries these days? I’m not sure about the carrot and I’m not sure about the stick, so what’s the subtext to this plot? Perhaps it’s disengagement with honor and people need to be paid to go home, but I can’t see real change happening over one week’s take from the working class parts of town. It would provide a shopping trip to Italy for a new wardrobe though…
    Ben

  • An Bearnach

    Insider’s cut-and-paste from Alex Maskey’s statement is a pathetic piece of partisan sniping from behind the ditch. Only the Executive as a whole could have renounced a legally made decision by Peter Hain. Margaret Ritchie has taken action on her own authority, while Maskey’s colleagues on the Executive sat on their hands. She is bound to take account of employment contracts already signed by the Direct Rulers, and it really is posturing to suggest otherwise. Ritchie laid her stall out honestly when Peter Hain announced the grant – all Alex Maskey could do was talk about deep unease in the nationalist community, as if there wasn’t just as much unease among decent unionists. It is glaringly obvious that Ritchie has done the right thing.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    “Margaret Ritchie has stated that the UDA must engage in a process of decommissioning, overseen by DeChastelain, and move to end criminality if the funding of the UPRG project is to proceed. And they have 60 days to do that in.”

    Attempting to back the UDA into a corner by changing tact from the carrot to the stick is a very very stupid move. In last month’s “Warrior”, the North Antrim/Londonderry monthly magazine, below the heading “THE UPRG – A STICK TO BEAT THE UDA WITH?”, this was the response to voices wishing to penalise the UPRG and attempts to undermine the work of the Group:

    “The Ulster Political Research Group was established as a political “think-tank” and advisory body for the Ulster Defence Association. It was never intended to be a political party nor replacement for the Ulster Democratic Party. As such the UPRG has given advice to the UDA leadership as well as acted as spokesmen on behalf of the UDA as a whole. It has been to the forefront in attempting to transform the UDA from a paramilitary organisation. In this respect government funding was made available to expand the UPRG’s work and attempt to bring the UDA as an organisation into the political and cultural spheres rather than as a solely paramilitary organisation.

    In this respect the UPRG has given good and on the odd occasion dubious advice to the UDA but on the whole it has been for the benefit of the organisation. However it must be strongly stated that the UPRG is NOT the UDA. Neither will it ultimately decide the UDA’s future – that decision will be taken by individual brigadiers on the advice from the membership of each individual brigade.

    This must be clear as our enemies seem to believe that the UPRG can be used as a weapon by it to deliver the disarming and disbanding of the UDA.”

    The article goes on to refer to Ritchie’s recent threatening comments about the near £500,000 a year HMG had given the UPRG and how it would be stopped if the UDA did not “decommision their arsenal”.

    The article goes on to emphasise the fact that “UDA weapons have remained silent despite provocation and that “If our enemies believe that they can “buy” our weapons, intimidate or threaten us like a bunch of petty criminals then they have grossly misread the role of the UPRG and the determination of grassroots UDA members not to be disarmed leaving themselves, their families and community vulnerable”.

    The final two paragraphs don’t beat about the bush and hint at the direction the UDA will take if the UPRG and the UDA continue to be harassed and harangued by people like Ritchie and HMG:

    “As for the UPRG. If funding is to be withdrawn then go ahead. The UPRG will still exist in a solely voluntary form although its ability to influence UDA thinking will have been weakened and if it ever becomes a burden or begins to outgrow the UDA or believes itself above the UDA then it will be disbanded. If our enemies and the enemies of the Ulster people wish to try and use the UPRG as a stick to beat the UDA then again if necessary that “stick” will be removed.

    The UDA will not be threatened by anyone or any Government. There is no single individual, no single part nor branch of the UDA that decides independently how everyone else will behave or what to believe. We are an organisation of many parts and we will internally and equally decide our future, our political aspirations and our military intent. No-one else will tell us what to do and as for financial or other threats, well that’s just laughable.

    …………………………………………..

    A stark warning indeed to Ritchie and others who have their own nationalist agenda…

  • justthoughtidask

    Margaret has played this very well. Enough time to prove themselves, some chance of that, but not enough to allow it to be spun out. She hasn’t left herself open to accusations of not giving them every chance. People will be delighted that she has specified what exactly needs to be done before the cut-off. They are sick to death of bland, meaningless, get out statements.

    Excellent job.

  • marty (not ingram)

    In last month’s “Warrior”

    ROTFLMAO

    What other articles are in this hilariously-named tome?

  • I think it would have been better if the Minister had suspended any further payments UNTIL the guns had been decommissioned and until crime by the UDA had been verifiably eliminated. Then it could be restored. This way, the UDA get to keep the money and play games with the guns and crime issues….

  • She Who Dares

    I’d also like to congratulate Margaret Richie for making this decision. If she’d cut the funding now she would have been attacked for undermining the political influence the UPRG has over the UDA and if she’d let them have the money with no conditions attached she would have been (rightly) attacked.

    Her decision was the best move possible and if her decision results in the UDA decommissioning Ms Richie should be commended. To any naysayers who are still out there this is a brave decision by a local politician which would not have been made by any Direct Rule minister.

    The only thing that remains is how the UDA approach this. Surely they must realise that now is the time to hand in their guns. Margaret Richie has made a brave decision now it’s time for the UDA to follow suit.

  • gareth mccord

    how unfair on the U.D.A.!!!
    The U.V.F. can still murder, deal drugs, target for murder, intimidate, give punishment beatings, run hookers, take protection money and get lucrative contracts from government organisations for their building firms and not hand over ONE BULLET. But yet they have someone in our government and on our POLICING BOARD????
    My advice to the scum in the UDA who still want to continue their activities is to join the U.V.F. and not worry about any come back!!
    Margaret ritchie has shown what the unionist politicians and the british governments are all about, SPINELESS WASTE OF SPACES!!!!

  • Hogan from County Tyrone

    Concerned UDA apologist

    What makes you think that should those thinly veiled threats ever come to pass that the UDA wouldn’t be finished within 48 hours?

    Licenses could be revoked, (what joy to see that eh!).

    I’m sure whatever scum is left after that could be rounded up in a couple of days after special branch and the NIO take there hand down from the UDAs arse and actually use the files that they have compiled on the muppets.

    You really don’t get it do you?

    Internment didn’t work the first time because you had a large community who had sympathy with the cause and huge feelings of discontent within communities as well.

    If the UDA were rounded up and interned tomorrow can you see the unionist working classes on a huge scale rising attacking their own sons and daughters in the PSNI.

    I always love it when journo’s question loyalist leaders about decommissioning and disbandment and the line trotted out is that “paramilitaries didn’t come out of nowhere” “they’re part of the community as well etc”

    The same argumnent could be said about paedophiles or rapists!

    The UDA have no support within loyalist working classes and as such as a paramilitary group are only ever one step away from extinction!

  • Returning to the Picasso’s Guernica Mural, The mural will be officially unvielled on Sunday 12th August at 12pm by Baroness May Blood and Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams, Speakers will include Prof Bill Rolston, Everyone is welcome to come along for the Music and the Craic.

    Earlier Post

    In Actual Fact the Picasso’s Guernica Mural on the International Wall is being sponsored by Search Engine Gasta.com and supported by Belfast Media Group, Discussions are also taking place for a open air art gallery along the whole lenght of Lanark way with a ‘Peace Platz’at the bottom to showcase outdoor sculpture,crafts and house a sunday market, all art will be completed on boards, fit into 8ft Slots and have corporate sponsorship. This is a plan that has been developed by the artists themselves and if it compliments tourism all the better.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Hogan: “Why was there no pressure from the DFM’s office to support Ritchie? Perhaps he has closer links to the UDA’s paymasters in the NIO than we think? ”

    I’ll say it again — what moral authority does wee Marty bring to the table? MMG serves best by keeping his mouth shut and maintaining a low profile in this scenario, something he’s done middlin’ well thus far… a pity some of the other lens-lice couldn’t follow his example.

  • Hogan from County Tyrone

    Dread

    He brings none per se, but i was merely making the point that Ritchie seems politcally pretty isolated at the minute? No other ministers have commented?

    Why no support for a fellow executive member who has possibly just taken the first decision against the advice of officals in the history of the NIO?

  • Wee slabber

    On the basis of Margaret Ritchie’s ultimatum should the UDA not consider renaming their monthly “Worriers”?

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Crayon jottings on butcher’s paper, CL.

    Somehow, it would seem the rest of us are not impressed with the meanderings of “The Warrior,” no doubt coming to a news-stand soon in color by numbers format for the more limited members of its leadership.

    As a soon-to-be University student, mayhap you could explain to your less than sophisticated cohorts that the government is not some two register inconvenience store for them to extort a few bob out from. Likewise, the reason that the UDA has a “think-tank” is that their political party was unelectable because they have no support.

    The biggest irony with these tone-deaf thugs in the UDA is for all the Loyalist crowing about the government putting the boot on the Republican’s necks, they seem to miss the notion that the same boot will fit just as nicely on a Loyalist neck as well.

    Keep buying rope, guys… when you’ve got enough, I’ll show you what the lever is for…

  • joeCanuck

    Twice from the quoted “Warrior” article:

    “If our enemies….”

    Could one of the UDA apologists explain to us who these enemies are.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Hogan: “He brings none per se, but i was merely making the point that Ritchie seems politcally pretty isolated at the minute? No other ministers have commented? ”

    And, yet, in your haste to make this general point, you picked the one minister least useful in this scenario as your example. The one that needs to speak up the most, I would argue, it Rev. Paisley, who does have a modicum of moral authority in this instance. Now, in his favor, Rev. No has already decried the recent crimes. All he has to do is agree with the punishments. Should be simple enough and, arguably, by not kicking her in the shins, he may think that he is doing so or he may be hanging her out to dry.

    Time will tell…

  • Concerned Loyalist

    “If the UDA were rounded up and interned tomorrow can you see the unionist working classes on a huge scale rising attacking their own sons and daughters in the PSNI.”

    Posted by Hogan from County Tyrone on Aug 10, 2007 @ 01:19 PM

    No I couldn’t see people “attacking their sons and daughters in the PSNI” because the number of working classes unionists in the PSNI is low. Due to so-called “50:50” discrimination, “unionist working classes” are being prevented from joining the PSNI, being passed over in favour of their republican working class counterparts..

    That makes your argument redundant and irrelevant Hogan…

  • The Penguin

    Dread Cthulhu

    Spot on.
    Martin should just stay stum, no matter what he said he can only do damage speaking out. Dr No needs at the first excuse to say publicly that the executive, or at the very least he and his party, back the minister 100% in this. He doesn’t have to go into any more detail than that. That will be enough to send messages all round – good or bad depending on who you are.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    “As a soon-to-be University student”
    Posted by Dread Cthulhu on Aug 10, 2007 @ 01:49 PM

    I am 22 now and have already been to uni for 3 years but left my International Politics (with a Minor subject) course to take a year out because I decided on a career change. Going back in September now to study History (3 modules) and Journalism (3 modules)…

  • Hogan from County Tyrone

    Ok concerned loyalist if you want to be clever permit me to siimplify my argument.

    If the UDA were rounded up tomorrow and threw in HMP Magilligan would any section of decent society give a fiddler’s f*ck?

    Seems pretty coherent to me!

  • loftholdingswood

    Sadly all you sluggerites have been caught up (yet again) in the spin and the posturing. You are not part of the process so you make assumptions based on a press release and the stated intent of a politician. A politician mind!. I will let you in on some facts;

    In talks held with representatives of the UPRG the minister PRAISED the work of the CTI scheme. She recognised some real progress had been made. The NIO has strongly recommended that the scheme carry on. The DSD have strongly recommended that the scheme goes on. Church leaders have urged that the scheme goes on. And so on and so on.

    Todays announcement has been done to placate the dweebs and the sad, the bitter and the easily led, the sunday worshippers and the Sunday World readers (what a combination!). In short it has been done to put this whole issue to bed. What will happen after 60 days? Nothing, absolutely nothing. Save this quote, come back in 60 days and realise that progress is real and spin merely an illusion. The scheme will continue and will continue to impress those that make the real decisions (hint – not you, not the media, not the wannabe politicians either). Please cut and paste this quote and save it to your desktops, come back in 60 days.

    The UPRG will CONTINUE to engage with the IMC. That is not a change in and of itself. It will just continue. No decommisioning will take place as it is not part of the CTI process. If you believe anything else then you have been misled and ill informed.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    CL: “I am 22 now and have already been to uni for 3 years but left my International Politics (with a Minor subject) course to take a year out because I decided on a career change. Going back in September now to study History (3 modules) and Journalism (3 modules)… ”

    I’m sure your family is very proud, CL…

    Changes nothing — the UDA is still a collection of hoods, the UPRG a collection of sock-puppets and apologists — see, even Lofty has finally steeled the resolve to come provide some spin.

    Riots and veiled threats, even with someone as enthused as lofty providing post-threat spin, aren’t going to win the support of the general populace. The fact that this shower of hoods known as the UDA lacks the support of the local communities is telling. Hell, even the UVF could scrounge up an MP of their own. The UDA has a “think-tank” because they can’t even manage that.

  • al

    Hogan “If the UDA were rounded up tomorrow and threw in HMP Magilligan would any section of decent society give a fiddler’s f*ck?”

    Probably not. Unlike the “catholic community”, protestants never really fancied voting for political facades on terrorist foundations.

  • Dec

    Probably not. Unlike the “catholic community”, protestants never really fancied voting for political facades on terrorist foundations.

    Unlike the ‘Protestant’ community, Catholics never mistook support for the DUP as opposition to loyalist paramilitarism.

  • loftholdingswood

    ^Changes nothing—the UDA is still a collection of hoods, the UPRG a collection of sock-puppets and apologists—see, even Lofty has finally steeled the resolve to come provide some spin.^

    Unlike you CL I have a life outside of Slugger and need to also spend some time with my family. I do not need resolve to lay out some more spin for you nor issue threats. Indeed I have threatened no one. I have just laid out some facts for you. Digest them, come back in 60 days and we will see who is the sock puppet and who knows the score.

  • Dec

    Todays announcement has been done to placate the dweebs and the sad, the bitter and the easily led, the sunday worshippers and the Sunday World readers (what a combination!).

    Ah, Slugger’s resident champion of the vilification of dead children returns. So, Margaret Ritchie is lying and the tax-paying public are ‘dweebs’ are we? Ah well, I look forward to more nights of rioting by drug-dealing, hoody-wearing idiots, more interviews with semi-literate morons in suits and next time one of the sons of Ulster open fire at some copper’s back, lets hope they start blasting back.

  • Yokel

    Good, screw them. It’ll be interesting to see their reaction.

  • Hogan from County Tyrone

    Al

    Spot on!

    Are you a constitutional nationalist as well?

    BTW Be careful with tar, its sticky and you should always use small brushes.

  • Harry Flashman

    In the immortal words of Winston Churchill, “Collar the lot!”

    Give ’em my hard earned cash? Not fuckin’ likely!

    In which parallel universe is Northern Ireland society now revolving?

  • Dread Cthulhu

    LHW: ” I do not need resolve to lay out some more spin for you nor issue threats. ”

    Do try to keep up… First, it is the UDA who issues thinly veiled threats, not yourself. You, however, swoop in to proffer post-threat spin, trying to explain why the UDA threat isn’t really a threat. Your patter is not unlike that of a side-show barker, LHW.

    As for the rest, it is an odd coincidence that after the UDA riots, you disappear.

    Lastly, you did not lay out “facts.” You laid out spin. “Facts” would be independently verifiable. You have spun and offered a prognostication — events that have yet to occur can hardly be called facts, now can they? The *MAY* be the outcome 60 days hence, but I wouldn’t make book on it. The UDA would appear to lack the discipline and inclination to pull off simple peaceful protests without descending into riot and the cowardly shooting in the back of police.

  • justthoughtidask

    What a total idiot this loftholdingswood is. As if the SDLP, DUP, SF, NIO et al don’t peruse Slugger.
    How happy will they be with this paramilitary wannabe laughing at them in public. Even if he has let the cat out of the bag, which I seriously doubt because I think he’s just a boastful twat, then you can rest assured positions will now be hardened.
    Total idiot no matter how you look at it.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    I’ll grant you this, JTIA… you’re at least an equal opportunity nose-tweaker…

  • loftholdingswood

    justthoughtidask,

    The NIO not only peruse the threads, they post on them. Think about it. For once.

  • Dawkins

    “The NIO not only peruse the threads, they post on them.”

    Beats pissing on the threads I suppose.

  • justthoughtidask

    FFS, now pretending to be NIO. A complete fantasist.
    No doubt the NIO do poke about on here, but you’re not it.
    It’s kinda sad really when that’s all someone’s life consists of.

  • Dec

    The NIO not only peruse the threads, they post on them. Think about it. For once.

    Do they think law-abiding taxpayers are ‘dweebs’, as well?

  • Pete Baker

    There’s an update to the original post which might be of interest to those speculating on the silence of other members of the Executive.

  • Outsider

    Like most Unionists I was repulsed when I learned that UDA sactioned projected were to be given grants.

    Maybe some in the Nationalist community can try and understand the pain we are enduring by watching ira terrorists in highly paid jobs running a country they tried to bomb out of existance.

    One is tempted to say whats sauce for the goose is surely sauce for the gander.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    PB: “There’s an update to the original post which might be of interest to those speculating on the silence of other members of the Executive. ”

    If accurate, it is awfully short-sighted of the Executive. Not only will it encourage the hoods, it will encourage others to call the Executive’s bluff now and again.

    A pity there’s not an IQ test for politicians and voters…

    Outsider: “Maybe some in the Nationalist community can try and understand the pain we are enduring by watching ira terrorists in highly paid jobs running a country they tried to bomb out of existance. ”

    Sorry chummer, but you’re comparing apples to, well, oranges. Nationalists, for whatever reason, support their candidates making them their dutifully elected representatives. What’s the matter, do you have a problem with democracy, or is it that you don’t understand the principle of it?

  • Outsider

    Dread Cthulhu. Sorry chummer, but you’re comparing apples to, well, oranges. Nationalists, for whatever reason, support their candidates making them their dutifully elected representatives. What’s the matter, do you have a problem with democracy, or is it that you don’t understand the principle of it?

    Sorry Mucker but they are both fruit and while the Unionist electorate by and large ignored the Loyalist parmailataries at the polls, Nationalists voted in droves for ira murderers.

    Does it make you proud to have ira personell in government?

  • justthoughtidask

    Fat Frankie has just been on BBC claiming that the minister didn’t demand actual decomissioning just the beginning to a process. He’s going to find that one a hard sell to Jackie and the boys. Presuming that some of them can read, her words are being carried in every newspaper.

  • Cuchulainn

    well according to the source no1 wanted to back Ms Richie in pulling the funding altogether,

    i guess this sheds light on Alex Maskeys decision not to comtinue down the imcompentent leadership trail!

    if Margaret is that for looking to pull the funding, what are the SF executive members for sitting on thier high paid asses (working class my ass) and being to scared to support thier fellow nationalist exeuytive member!

  • Pounder

    One question. Maybe I don’t have the grasp of the law and politics that others here have but here goes. The UDA are still a proscribed organisation aren’t they? Everytime the URPG make a statement the yahoo’s admit publically to being members of the UDA? Wht aren’t they arrested as members of a proscribed organisation or at least investigated by the ARA?

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Outsider: “Sorry Mucker but they are both fruit and while the Unionist electorate by and large ignored the Loyalist parmailataries at the polls, Nationalists voted in droves for ira murderers. ”

    It’s not all fruit, bumpkin — Nationalism’s thugs, for good or for ill, were almost always political and Loyalism thugs weren’t — writing manifestos is a new trick for them. As such, it is not suprising that Nationalism’s candidates were drawn, in part, from this resevoir. How do you think the chestnut about Nationalists leaving prison with degrees and Loyalists leaving prison with tattoos arose, if not that difference between the two?

    As for your mournful whine regarding — how did you phrase it again — Nationalists in “highly paid jobs?” If Unionists want them, all they have to do is convince a majority of voters to favor them instead of Nationalists. No more, no less. From your whinge, you sound as if you long for the days of gerrymandering and not having a Catholic about the place. These are not some sort of affirmative action positions, outsider — they are the duly elected offices arising from free and fair elections.

    Like I said, you might wish to review the basic tenets of democracy.

    As for your question, I don’t you have a party over there that fits my beliefs, Unionist or Nationalist, so pride doesn’t enter into the equation for me. On day to day life, I am anti-thug, anti-stupid and anti-do-nothing. I think that puts all the main parties off my preference list.

  • loftholdingswood

    Pete Baker,

    That is an interesting update and just shows that public posturing is not always private voting. But then you knew that ( unlike the troll justthoughtidask who knows very little ). It all boils down to sequencing yet again, shades of Sinn Fein of years ago. There is a process already underway and engagement is taking place. In that sense Ritchie can claim a small victory in 60 days time. The IMC will obviously report on Bangor and it will be extremely negative. However there will be some positive reports on other areas and it is that encouragement that will prevail. So, add a touch of engagement with good news in some areas and you will theoretically have just about enough improvement for Ritchie to claim a sort of victory. She will then continue to monitor the process and the story will go away. Semantics played such an important role in the Sinn Fein saga and they will here. Engage meaningfully can be open to interpretation and therefore will play a key role in allowing Ritchie to keep her political head above water.

    Due to the troll thread spoiling I will call it a day at that and look forward to 60 days time when even justthoughtidask will understand the words political expediency. Nope, I tell a lie – he still wont have a clue.

  • Sean

    lofty how come all your pronouncements we always have to wait 2 months or 6 months or a year for a result.

    Used to be a poster on here that always wanted us to wait for paisley to do this and do that and wait and wait

    oh forget it i think that was marty the ding aling who promised us how the ombuidsman was going to jail or thsome such nonsense we were supposed to watch the papers for.

    his forecasts turned out to be as meaningless as yours

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Sean: “how come all your pronouncements we always have to wait 2 months or 6 months or a year for a result. ”

    Mainly that it will buy him time to come up with the next round of flim-flam which will, again, promise results “somewhere down the road.”

    He’s started to sound like Popeye’s pudgy sidekick J. Wellington Wimpy– “I would gladly promise you a civil society later for a a few million quid today…”

  • Comrade Stalin

    lofty:

    It all boils down to sequencing yet again, shades of Sinn Fein of years ago.

    No it doesn’t. The chuckies never came on and said “give us money to change ourselves into a peaceful organization”. The chuckies were told there would be no deal until they had started disarming. Secondly, the chuckies have never been given anything that isn’t in at least some respect commensurate with their mandate. There is zero evidence that the UDA/UPRG are a supported organization on the ground.

    I’d advise you boys to start shaping yourselves up pretty sharpish. The devolution of policing and justice is on the way, and when that happens, the police service will come under direct local ministerial responsibility. This announcement from Richie is nothing compared to what is in store for violent criminals who don’t want to get with the programme.

  • mchinadog

    As a unionist I do not believe in money being given to the IRA or the UDA /UFF in return for anything, they are pariahs in their communities, so I am concerned at the decision made by the Minister to delay the cutting off the money to the URPG/UDA. Minister Ritchie has requested that Farset put the people already employed in the URPG/ UDA project be put on protective notice in case Frankie Gallagher and his URPG/UDA pals cannot deliver on the arms, drugs and criminality in 60 days. According to Frankie Gallagher this evening she does not require decommissioning in return for the cash. So what then does he think the Minister asked for in return for cash if not guns? What does he think the 60 days cuff off is for? Does she really think that turkeys will vote for Christmas? It is Frankie Gallagher and his ilk in the UDA that are employed on massive salaries to run the CTI projects. Do they really think that people believe that the money is not going to the UDA. It is these communities that really need the money, just ask the people who live in these communities who have been under the thumb of the UDA what they would like happen to the money and they would tell Minister Ritchie to give it direct to the community groups that already exist that are not linked to the URPG/UDA which are one and the same people.

  • mchinadog

    Sorry mistake I meant to say “CUT OFF” not cuff off

  • Wilde Rover

    “and next time one of the sons of Ulster open fire at some copper’s back, lets hope they start blasting back.”

    Dec

    While sympathizing with the individuals, and their families, who have been the victims of these attacks I am sure there are many police men and women who would be uncomfortable at your suggestion that they be obliged to start popping caps in asses under vague guidelines.

    “Due to the troll thread spoiling I will call it a day at that and look forward to 60 days time when even justthoughtidask will understand the words political expediency. Nope, I tell a lie – he still wont have a clue.”

    Loftholdingswood

    Perhaps you could have referred justthoughtidask to the dictionary definition of the word expediency:

    “The quality of being expedient: advantageousness; advisability.

    A regard for what is politic or advantageous rather than for what is right or just; a sense of self-interest.”