Love (Ulster) on the rocks?

It seems that serial protester, election candidate and Love Ulster leader, Willie Frazer, has cancelled plans for a repeat parade in Dublin. According to Mr. Frazer, the good citizens of Dublin will be treated to a “cultural event” instead of a parade. He also indicated that Government figures in Dublin (including the Taoiseach) would be prepared to meet him in the Autumn.

  • A “cultural event”?

    Perhaps a play in the Abbey in Ulster Scots?

  • oldruss

    If Mr. Frazier wants to rent a car park, pitch a circus tent, and bang a lambeg drum, more power to him. Don’t know if it will draw much of a crowd, but hey, it could be a slow weekend otherwise, and so who knows how many “Dubs” could turn out.

  • I hope he is welcomed to his capital

  • Cruimh

    Ah, one of the perks of being Taoiseach 😉

  • Cruimh

    ” bang a lambeg drum ”

    it’s a shame to see people being so dismissive of the Lambeg – which has a history in both traditions here. A fine instrument.

    Worth a read:

    http://www.fifeanddrum.co.uk/Diana/thesis.htm

  • observer

    I hope he is welcomed to his capital

    Posted by phil macgiollabhain on Aug 04, 2007 @ 04:14 PM

    so, hes going to Belfast then?

  • The Dubliner

    Given Willie Frazer’s support for sectarian murder, I think it was a bloody disgrace that a former Irish Minister for Justice dignified the man by meeting him at government buildings and that his little hate parade was given the honour of marching along the capital city’s main street – craven politicians afraid to do the right thing and instruct the little shitweasal to drag his knuckles back to his cave.

  • Dawkins

    Would Willie actually recognize a “cultural event” if he blundered into one?

  • so, hes going to Belfast then?

    Posted by observer

    What is Belfast, excatly, the capital of?

  • Martin Luther

    Willie Frazer highlights innocent victims. Gerry Adams celebrates guilty serial killers.

  • Dawkins

    County Down?

  • Dawkins

    My last post was of course in reply to Phil.

    Martin,

    Willie also highlights not-so-innocent victims, hence the difficulty many have with his antics. But you knew that.

  • observer

    What is Belfast, excatly, the capital of?

    Posted by phil macgiollabhain on Aug 04, 2007 @ 05:14 PM

    – you really do live up to the stereotype of a thick, stupid Oirish man

    Belfast is the capital of Northern Ireland, part of the United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northern Ireland.

    Rule Britannia

  • observer

    Would Willie actually recognize a “cultural event” if he blundered into one?

    Posted by Dawkins on Aug 04, 2007 @ 05:11 PM

    ah, get the fiddly dee music out and some leprachauns and lets pay homage to dead republican terrorits – good ol` Oirish “culture”

  • Dawkins

    Observer,

    Seems you’ve viewed Darby O’Gill and Finnegan’s Rainbow once too often.

    By culture I meant gallery openings, book launches, concerts, theatre, readings. All available in abundance in Dublin. Do pay it a visit sometime.

  • Sean

    Dawkins thts a distinctly merican view of what culture is

  • Dawkins

    Sean,

    What do you mean? Darby and Co or my list below it?

  • Martin Luther

    Dawkins: Will you apologise to the Protestant community for the murders committed by PIRA terrorists, Roman Catholic priests included? Ulster is still British so all the killing was a waste of time.

  • inuit_g

    Ah Willie, sure he’ll end up an Irish senator in the Seanad one of these days…

  • confused

    Why do republicans dislike our Willie so much?
    Is it because of fear?
    He and his organisation are an institution worthy of support and subsidy by governments at home and abroad am very pleased to see Bertie coming on board.
    He has achieved a great deal by getting Legal America to bring Gaddafi to world attention because of his support of SF/IRA.
    When the billions of dollars start rolling in and the truth emerges we will all be thankful to Willie.
    A new chapter of Irish history is to written
    Watch this space.

  • interested

    Re the capital thing, you’re both wrong.

    If he was going to his Capital city he’d be visiting London, the capital city of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    Mind you, even as a unionist I have no problem with either a unionist/loyalist parade or a cultural event being organised in Dublin, but how are they related to the issue of Victims of which Willie Frazer claimed that these would be used to highlight?

  • Garibaldy

    Interested,

    So Scotland, Wales and NI not have capital cities?

  • Dawkins

    Matin Luther,

    “Dawkins: Will you apologise to the Protestant community for the murders committed by PIRA terrorists, Roman Catholic priests included?”

    You have me confused now. Why should a godfree chap like me apologize to anybody about sectarian murders he didn’t have a hand in? Next you know, you’ll want me to apologize for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

  • Kevster

    Interested,

    I think the reason Willie relates it to victims is because he has no other issue. He wants to remind people that he hasn’t gone away, as do a number of others. I think it will take people like Willie the longest to adjust to the new dispensation.

    Many have said he has been off his rocker for years, but there are some who really connect with him. He doesn’t write or speak very well and if I read or listen to him for any length of time it is mind-numbing.

  • Dawkins

    “He doesn’t write or speak very well and if I read or listen to him for any length of time it is mind-numbing.”

    A true son of Ulster then :0)

  • CTN

    Hope he doesn’t put his foot in his mouth as usual…

  • Turgon

    Dawkins,

    I understand a lot of what you say but some of the comments like about Willie Frazer “Would Willie actually recognize a “cultural event” if he blundered into one?” are a bit patronising and superior. I am not a member of Frazer’s fan club and strongly object to some of the things he says and does; but remember several people who he was related to were murdered and the community he is part of suffered a great deal. Also just because he or observer may (and neither you or I know) have never attended “gallery openings, book launches, concerts, theatre, readings.” does not mean that they are lacking in culture. That is if I may say a very snobbish and condescending attitude.

    Also
    “He doesn’t write or speak very well and if I read or listen to him for any length of time it is mind-numbing.”
    A true son of Ulster then :0)

    That is extremely patronising to all the people of Ulster (whatever one’s definition of Ulster).

  • sven

    I think that the way willie is quick to judge others for their membership of terror groups and resorts to name calling and lies on his website, while ignoring or dismissing the actions of his own families part in sectarian murders, is what give a lot of people their poor opinion of him.

  • Dawkins

    Turgon,

    Sorry, I left out “lacking a sense of humour” as well as a sense of culture.

  • east tyrone remembers

    Eds: ball not man

  • Turgon

    Dawkins,

    Fair enough I suspect a lot of what you said on this thread and say in general is said with the tongue firmly in the cheek. Be a little careful though; some people here have difficulties seeing the funny side of things for pretty understandable reasons.

  • Dawkins

    Turgon,

    “some people here have difficulties seeing the funny side of things for pretty understandable reasons.”

    Sure. I understand that. I don’t need to remind you though that humour was one of the things that sustained the prisoners in Auschwitz.

  • Turgon

    Dawkins,

    Indeed; but that was the humour of those of those intimately involved in and victims of that process. It was for them to have humour and self deprecate. With respect I do not think you were involved in personal suffering here so to ask those who were to have humour is maybe asking too much. If they wish to laugh at themselves so be it. For you to ask them to do so may be unfair.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Nice of Bertie to provide Willie with a soft landing. But does that mean they’ll be spending any time together? Good luck Mr Ahern; harmless though he is, Willie can be very hard going once he gets started…

  • Martin Luther

    Dawkins: Now that you compare Protestant victims of PIRA ethnic cleansing groups to Auschwitz, there may be hope for you.

  • Sean

    what about the catholic victims of ethnic cleansing

  • oldruss

    My knowledge of William (Willie) Frazier and his FAIR campaign has been limited, save for last year’s Love Ulster march he had planned for Dublin. Perhaps I’m not the only poster here who is not particularly familiar with him or with his organization.

    For those who want to see and hear William (Willie) Frazier in his own words, take a look at his own web site.
    http://www.victims.org.uk/

    It has a rabid dog feel to it; and little or nothing in the way of concilliation and healing.

    I’m uncertain why the unionist community seems willing to suffer his rant; nor why unionism seems willing to allow him to be the public face of unionism on display in Dublin or anywhere else for that matter.

  • the doc

    Is willie going to dublin to represent fair or love ulster or perhaps some other group

  • Harry Flashman

    **By culture I meant gallery openings, book launches, concerts, theatre, readings. All available in abundance in Dublin. Do pay it a visit sometime.**

    My goodness what a sad and constrained idea of what constitues culture you have Dawkins.

    So if something falls outside of this rather banal, Euro-centric, urban and petit-bourgeois list of prescribed events it ain’t culture then, is that it?

    Oh the joys of Dublin 4.

  • Fraggle

    Harry, what did he miss out? Standing in the street thumping a drum?

  • Sean

    art galleries and such are n americans version of what the word culture means

    while to most people in the world culture means the indigenous happenings that go on with in a community. Such as Highland games, Gaelic games the local music or dance or costume

  • Dan

    Frazer is an attention wh*re with delusions of grandeur. It really shouldn’t take someone like that to bring attention to victims of terrorism and their families.

  • Harry Flashman

    Oh let’s see, sports events, dancing, clothing, religious festivals, sculpture and painting (outside of smarmy art galleries), street music, unique family celebrations, historical remembrances, agricultural traditions etc etc oh, and yes actually, even parades.

    Try to use some imagination Frags old son.

  • The World’s Gone Mad

    Dawkins
    ‘By culture I meant gallery openings, book launches..’

    Gallery openings? Book launches?!! If your idea of culture are such events which invariably involve a bunch of media-luvvy free-loaders standing around braying about the latest YBA installation while imbibing as much free alcohol and canapes as possible and having almost-zero interest in the exhibition being opened/book being launched, then its you that needs to get out more.

    Give me the lumpenproletariat any day to such shallow and stunted events…

  • Otto

    The Problem with Frazer is that he only mentions the protestant victims of republican terrorism while a more even handed approach for the good of cross community reconcilliation in remembering all innocent victims would be better. But those who claim he is a paid up loyalist terrrorist supporter just because of this flaw of his are frankly quite pathetic.

  • POL

    Willie and his wonka`s have a serious problem representing Protestant victims of loyalist violence, in fact theres not a protestant loyalist victim about the place.He also needs to try and get his buisness dealings in order cos they are a bit like his politics…..Bankrupt!!!

  • Dawkins

    TWGM,

    “If your idea of culture are such events which invariably involve a bunch of media-luvvy free-loaders standing around braying about the latest YBA installation while imbibing as much free alcohol and canapes as possible and having almost-zero interest in the exhibition being opened/book being launched, then its you that needs to get out more.”

    I’m glad you mentioned alcohol because that’s exactly what divides high culture from low. It’s a motif that runs through almost every expression of low culture in Ireland. And it’s a little sad that Bloomsday invariably includes a “literary pub crawl” but this is the nature of the beast.

  • Medic(i)
  • sportsman

    “Rule Brittania”? Silly person.

  • sven

    Otto I think , rather than call willie a paid up loyalist terrrorist supporter , it was being said that he was very quick to target republican terrorists without acknowledging the fact that some of his own family members were loyalist murderers. Something which he forgets to mention . A bit of hyocrisy.

  • Truth & Justice

    One must question willie motives, people dont want any more violence or protests they just want peace and quite why rock the boat.

  • Dawkins

    Exactly right, T&J.

    I know it’s supremely difficult for somebody who suffered the losses Willie did but he should remember that others in similar situations could move on — if not forgive and forget.

    Frankly I believe southern politicians are humouring him for all the wrong reasons. He’ll continue to push their understanding buttons, knowing full well that they won’t risk somehow damaging the peace process by appearing to ignore the suffering of unionist victims. They ought to see him for what he is.

  • Belfastnative

    “By culture I meant gallery openings, book launches, concerts, theatre, readings. All available in abundance in Dublin. Do pay it a visit sometime.”

    All of which also happen in abundance in Belfast too, do you think we are all hiding under our beds up here?

    do pay it a visit sometime.

  • The World’s Gone Mad

    Dawkins
    ‘I’m glad you mentioned alcohol because that’s exactly what divides high culture from low.’

    I’ll have to take your word for it re. Dublin but my experience of both the Belfast and London Arts scenes are that they are full of old soaks (and plenty of young soaks). I’d be amazed if Dublin, with its ingrained culture of drink, is any different. Wrt alcohol, the difference between ‘low’ and ‘high’ culture is not the presence or lack of alcohol, but the type involved e.g. pints of lager at a live band compared to bottles of pinot noir at a gallery opening. My partner works in publishing so I’ve been to a few book launches and its fair to say most involved bacchanalian excess.

  • barnshee

    “I’m uncertain why the unionist community seems willing to suffer his rant; nor why unionism seems willing to allow him to be the public face of unionism on display in Dublin or anywhere else for that matter”

    Simple really— Bloody Friday, La Mon, Kingsmill Tebane,Enniskillen Coleraine …and on and on.
    Willie continually points up what the PIRA and ins fellow travellers try to airbrush out and what the mealy mouthed ignore and mutter as “moving on”

    Keep it up willie the girning about you shows it works

  • Dawkins

    Belfastnative,

    I know your city intimately and enjoy its abundant culture. I was replying to this:

    >ah, get the fiddly dee music out and some leprachauns and lets pay homage to dead republican terrorits – good ol` Oirish “culture”

    Posted by observer on Aug 04, 2007 @ 05:39 PM< TWGM, "I’ve been to a few book launches and its fair to say most involved bacchanalian excess." Wow! Care to give details? The publisher, the book, the quantity of wine offered and consumed, and the bacchanalian behaviour? Clearly I've been missing out.

  • sven

    banshee, are those blinkers hurting they seem to be on a bit too tight.

  • oldruss

    barnshee,

    My earlier post was never intended to demean any of the victims of the Troubles, and if you took it that way, my apologies.

    The issue I have is with William (Willie) Frazier. I said that I was not altogether familiar with him, but after scrolling down through his web site (link provided in my earlier post), I really have to ask, “Is Willie Frazier really the spokesperson who is best suited to bring to the world’s attention forgotten victims of the Troubles?”

    If Willie Frazier is the best unionism has to offer, then it is a sad day. You might as well bring Johnny (Mad Dog) Adair back to be your spokesperson.

  • confused

    oldruss

    I don’t think anyone said Willie was the best person to represent a Unionist view.
    He is one of many and is entitled to his place in the sun just like the rest.

  • oldruss

    Perhaps sending him down to Dublin isn’t the best way to bring about reconcilliation and healing, that’s all.

    Would he listen to Sir Reg Empey, or Rev. Ian Paisley or anyone connected with the leadership of the DUP or UUP? Perhaps someone can whisper in his ear, and clue him as to what kind of impression he makes. His web site is really little more than an anti-nationalist, anti-Catholic, anti-Irish Republic propaganda rant.

    If Willie is allowed to go to Dublin again this year, as the spokesperson for unionism, then there might just as well be a full on march by unionist paramilitaries in full regalia, balaclavas, weapons and all. Bring in the brigades of the UDA, UVF, LVF, whomever, and have them all swagger across the O’Connell Bridge while a band plays “The Sash My Father Wore”

  • Turgon

    Oldruss,
    As I said before I am not a huge fan of Willie Frazer but I think it is probably difficult for many of us to understand just how much he and his family have suffered. Also some of us do feel that airbrushing out the acts of violent republicanism is totally inappropriate (I personally also am opposed to airbrushing similar acts by loyalists).

    There has been a lot of airbrushing and I feel some do not like to be reminded of the compromises made not merely political but moral and ethical compromises. Frazer may well be very flawed in his analysis and one sided in his views of victims but he still makes valid points about those who now walk the streets and sit in government and where they have come from.

    I also think (though I am not certain) that he would be highly unlikely to listen to anyone in the DUP or UUP. He regards them as traitors, something I personally feel is not a million miles from the truth.

  • Prince Eoghan

    >>Frazer may well be very flawed in his analysis and one sided in his views of victims but he still makes valid points about those who now walk the streets and sit in government and where they have come from.< < Sorry Turgon, I seem to be picking on you these days;¬) However this statement says quite a lot. I'll translate if I may; "He might be a one-eyed bigot who talks out of his hole, but he sticks it right up Sinn Fein" The fact that most(seemingly) of the Unionist community are prepared to excuse this man's behaviour smacks of hypocrisy(no change then) Those who seek to divide should be put out to the margins where they belong! >>I also think (though I am not certain) that he would be highly unlikely to listen to anyone in the DUP or UUP. He regards them as traitors, something I personally feel is not a million miles from the truth.<< Traitors for sitting in government with the elected representatives of their fellow Irishmen. Whatever next? trying to break the outdated mindsets that beguile and hold back many in the north. Or actually trying to live a normal peaceful life, heaven forbid. Change can be traumatic, but sanity must prevail!

  • Turgon

    PE,

    Okay I suspected you might object. If I am honest with myself “He might be a one-eyed bigot who talks out of his hole, but he sticks it right up Sinn Fein” is quite a good translation of what I said, though I would also submit about the terrorism he has suffered

    I do not know Willie Frazer and most of what I know about him is from slugger. He clearly has suffered a lot and also seems to be a bigot. Yes I do agree with attacking SF and if that makes me a bigot so be it.

    I do have a real problem with SF in government with the army council etc still active. Even without them I have a problem with unrepentant terrorists and their cheerleaders in government. I do however, recognise that this is the situtation.

    I am very in favour of no violence but do feel that we have made too many compromises with terrorists.

    In terms of your picking on me I do at least have to think about your arguments (which often have some truth) which makes you much more effective than most of the “other lot” on this site. I will not admit it though and will now have a rant.

    NO SURRENDER, 1690 etc.

  • Dawkins

    Prince Eoghan,

    “Traitors for sitting in government with the elected representatives of their fellow Irishmen.”

    To be fair, those representatives are ex-terrorists who were once the enemy. So yes, to many, Paisley et al are traitors. Are not McGuinness and the others traitors in the eyes of many of their quondam followers? There’s still a lot of mindset readjusting to be done.

    “Change can be traumatic, but sanity must prevail!”

    It will. I’m certain of it. We’re seeing the first baby steps and there’ll be a lot of teething trouble but the vast majority wants sanity, now that they’ve seen at last what sanity in Northern Ireland looks like. This or the Troubles? No contest.

  • Prince Eoghan

    Turgon.

    >>Yes I do agree with attacking SF and if that makes me a bigot so be it.< < If this qualifies you as a bigot, then aren't we all from time to time. For entirely different reasons before you start getting paranoid. >>n terms of your picking on me I do at least have to think about your arguments (which often have some truth) which makes you much more effective than most of the “other lot” on this site. I will not admit it though and will now have a rant.

    NO SURRENDER, 1690 etc.< < LOL. Praise indeed! >>I am very in favour of no violence but do feel that we have made too many compromises with terrorists.< < Many of us feel that Unionism has double standards here, given the background of the former Dr. No and Pete the punt etc. Basically it is a case of Catholic terrorists bad, prod terrorists good or at the very least ignorable. Dawks. >>To be fair, those representatives are ex-terrorists who were once the enemy<< See above! If anything Republicans have diverged much further from their goals than anyone expected. I for one was/am uncomfortable with much of this divergence, however as long as it gets us all away from the intolerable situation of the recent past, history will no doubt judge it well. Despite whatever my reservations might be.

  • Turgon

    Dawkins,
    I have often attacked you on this site but I must say an extremely fair post. My complaint is that “This or the Troubles? No contest.” is what we are offered and to object to the current agreement is seen as wishing to go back to the troubles.

    I object to the current disposition but I have no wish to see nor did I ever wish to see anyone killed. That is not an attack on you at all it is an objection to what I regard as a false dicotomous choice.

    As to this being sanity in Northern Ireland. I do not regard it as sanity. Yes it is great that no one is being killed (well actually the loyalist terrorists still seem pretty active and there is always Mr. Donaldson’s murder) but I do not regard the current situtation as sane just better than what was before but still it is the suspension of normal democracy and the normal rule of law.

  • “you really do live up to the stereotype of a thick, stupid Oirish man
    Belfast is the capital of Northern Ireland, part of the United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northern Ireland.
    Rule Britannia
    Posted by observer”
    Try and deal with the issue being debated and refrain from ad hominem attacks.
    Go raibh mile maith agat

  • Dewi

    Start from a blank slate …(and teach gaelic in schools !!)- seriously a government arrangement that does not discriminate and with “parity of esteem” must be a good start….

  • Cruimh

    Dewi- how can my community be exected to/made to esteem Martin McGuinness, Gerry Adams and Gerry Kelly?

    Ditto for the nationalist community and the bogeymen from my side of the fence ?

  • Kevster

    Cruimh,

    Regarding how your community can be expected or made to esteem Martin McGuinness, Gerry Adams and Gerry Kelly, I would say that they aren’t expected to esteem them personally. They are expected to esteem the right of people to vote for them. It seems to me that is not the same thing, and it can be done.

  • Sue

    Down to dDublin?

    One always travels UP to a capital city.

  • Dawkins

    Not when one is up at University :0)

  • willis

    It really doesn’t worry me that Willy wants to visit Dublin. What concerns me more is that he is not interested in visiting Stormont.

    I know that he put himself up for election.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newry_and_Armagh_(Assembly_constituency)#2007

    But 605 votes gives a pretty good measure of his attractiveness to his neighbours.

    If he is angered by Dr Paisley going into government with “killers” why does he not organize a protest to Martyrs Memorial on a Sunday afternoon? I’ll tell you why. The DUP would eat him for breakfast just like they did Paul Berry.

    He would have to confront the fact that many loyalists have decided to move on and think that he is a lightweight.

    Wonder how many flute bands want to go on a protest to Stormont? Take the easy route boys.

  • I Wonder

    Willis:

    The pitiful level of support recently received by Willie, Bob and David Calvert in Upper Bann shows indeed that we have moved on.

    I have already suggested to those who don’t like peace – rather than hanker after the days of violence and castigate the democratic choices of SF (to accept devolved power) and the DUP *to go into government) they should vote with their feet and emigrate.

    I’m sure there are good Polish lads and lassies who would buy their houses. 🙂

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  • Dawkins

    Wow, thanks for the links, Aliza! Brilliant stuff.

    I’m going to forward the first one to Willis’s “Dr Paisley” so the old fraud can buy a fake Rolex to go with his fake doctorate :0)

  • willis

    Nice seque dude!

    Now we have a Prime Minister with a doctorate that he doesn’t mention, presumably because as a son of the manse he is too modest to boast, and a First Minister………….

  • Dawkins

    Willis,

    LOL. Gordon is endearing himself more and more to me. He has the gravitas of a PM, old style. Seems he’s the antidote Britain needs for Blair’s reign of error.

    Holidays in Darset eh? Wot, no celeb chums with a freebie? Go, Gordon!

  • willis

    I suspect that Fleet Street’s finest are already on £50k for the first photo of the PM’s moobs.

    Thank God for freedom of the press!

  • willis

    Also

    Darset is the new Islington as our esteemed creator and wise guide Mick will tell you.

  • Dawkins

    Willis,

    “I suspect that Fleet Street’s finest are already on £50k for the first photo of the PM’s moobs.”

    LOL. Obviously a Daily Mail fan! Did you also see Jack Nicholson getting his tits out?

    And below the fold, Jeremy Clarkson inflating his belly by drawing deeply on a fag :0)

    Hmm, what was this thread all about again?

  • Prince Eoghan

    Dawkins

    Now I know why the loyal sons (and daughters) dislike your contributions so, it’s because you are the ‘off-topic bandit!’ much better than being an arse-bandit, at least so’s Im told, errr unless you like that sort of thing *gulps and quietly fades into background*

  • willis

    PE

    To be fair I have to put my hand up to some “off-topic banditry”.

    Surely some University will offer a Doctorate in it soon!

    I’m quite happy to come back on topic if the serried masses of the layalist blogsphere can explain why no flute band wants to march on the “Traitor Doc”.

  • Dawkins

    Willis,

    >…no flute band wants to march on the “Traitor Doc”.< I've been puzzling over this too. Can't come up with a plausible answer though. The only reason I can think of is that many loyalists have adapted to the new "dispensation" as the media call it -- I suppose they mean that the main parties have dispensed with their original principles. Not that that isn't a good thing. I reckon those loyalists are jaded. I almost wrote that "the fire's gone out of them," but of course that isn't true. It's been sublimated into more useful endeavours. Look at this year's Twelfth for instance: taken in the round a pretty decent show compared to other years. I believe a lot of peeps have had their eyes opened with regard to senseless sectarianism. The speed with which the "process" proceeded surprised even me. No, I can't see Willie and the Hand-jivers going from strength to strength. I believe the opposite will be the case.

  • GavBelfast

    Meanwhile:

    http://www.sinnfein.ie/

    Anyone going?

    The truth, the whole truth, or anything BUT the whole truth?

  • willis

    Gav

    It is purely a business decision. Sinn Fein have kept hypocricy in-house, wheras the DUP have outsourced it to Willie.