Pretty in Pink

The famous Free Derry Corner gable wall has been painted pink in solidarity with the city’s Gay community ahead of the Gay Pride Festival. Jim Collins, spokesman for the Gasyard Feile in Derry, said, “The feile decided they wanted to do something for the gay community and we thought this was a good public, creative and visual way of celebrating Gay Pride.”

  • parcifal

    Has anyone got the humour to say:
    You are entering gay Derry.. to which a young lad called derry says,
    oh yeah, not likely …unless you pay..I’m expensive don’t you know FFS

  • The Dubliner

    Isn’t painting the wall pink pandering to the stereotype of gays as being camp Julian Clary types who have all affected a similar asinine accent and he-bitchy manner (as though Homosexuality were a location and personality disorder) or flamboyant hedonists the like of which parade in degenerate US San Francisco parades, sans all dignity and morals? Shouldn’t some consideration be given to the majority who are the rest of society bar their sexuality, instead of those who use their sexuality as an escuse to be socially dysfunctional?

  • slug

    I would have thought that the correct colours to paint would be the “rainbow” colours we have come to associate with gay.

  • Sean

    Quity being so up tight Dubliner and repeat after me

    “more women for the rest of us”

  • Only one word can describe the welcome L’Derry is giving to the perverts – disgusting.
    http://www.protestant-gazette.blogspot.com

  • lib2016

    What a pleasant surprise for all the Civil Rights survivors – the dream lives on.

  • JD

    Looking at the amount of comments on your site indicates to me that no one reads your blog, not even protestants Ian.

  • You would be surprised who is reading it. A few weeks ago the deputy editor of the Irish Catholic contacted me about it.
    http://www.protestant-gazette.blogspot.com

  • Cormac

    Actually I’ve just been reading Ian Hall’s blog – such venom towards gays!

    People who are so anti-gay are often hiding something (think of Mr Berry…)

    Is there something you’d like to share with us, Ian?

  • Only my amusement at your comment Cormac. Incidentally welcome to my site.

  • Cormac

    I won’t be returning Ian. If I want to read a gay blog, I’ll go for the non-denyer type, thanks.

  • Cormac

    Look, you obviously spend more time thinking about gay sex than most gay people. It’s only right that people take your ‘I’m not gay’ allusions (illusions?) with a pinch of salt.

  • Cruimh

    “The famous Free Derry Corner gable wall has been painted pink in solidarity with the city’s Gay community ahead of the Gay Pride Festival. ”

    Solidarity with the gays or to really, really wind up Baby Doc and his supporters ? 😉

    On a more serious note it’s a nice thought – I think I’m right in saying that the number of homophobic attacks in Derry has fallen over the past few years, hope it continues.

  • This is an international symbol of freedom, a living breathing monument that continues to speak, fair play to Feile and the people of Derry.

  • Cormac

    Actually Cruimh, if you take my ‘he’s anti-gay so he must be gay’ hypothesis, it’s Papa Doc we should be concerned with. Save Ulster From Sodomy always seemed to me to smack of denial. And that Trilby hat is a bit of a give-away. More Scissor Sisters than Jimmy Cagney.

  • Cruimh

    “if you take my ‘he’s anti-gay so he must be gay’ hypothesis”

    I don’t – because it’s easily disproved by extending the logic ….

    He’s gay so he must be anti-gay, so Elton John and George Michael are homophobes ?

    I think not 😉

  • Cormac

    Well, by writing such s*it music they are obviously anti-gay neanderthals, trying to give gay people a bad name.

    But my hypothesis really only concerns gay people who have yet to come out.

  • Actually they give themselves a bad name with their immoral lifestyle.
    http://www.protestant-gazette.blogspot.com

  • Ciarnan Helferty

    “actually the give them selves a bad name with their immoral lifestyle”

    -And of course you passing out judgement like its your to gives you a good name? Give me a break.

    Hypochrsitians do wind me up- Read your new testament and you will see that jesus spoke of kindness, love, respect, understandning and tolernace… Not the poison you spout.

  • heck

    what about us hetros. When are we going to cover free derry corner with fishnet nylon?

  • Ciarnan,
    Christ also spoke of hell on no less than 13 occasions . Its you that needs to read the NT.
    http://www.protestant-gazette.blogspot.com

  • colm

    I presume the pink paint is removable, or has Free Derry Corner decided to come out permanantly as Gay after stsnding their so straight and silent for so many years.

  • Ciarnan Helferty

    Now that you have brought it up i think it might be important to consider what christ said about homosexuality…

    Jesus: BLANK

    oh dear… Of all the aspects of marailty that jesus spoke on… he had nothing to say about homosexuals. I wonder why? Homosexuality was an accepted part of the greek and roman cultures whihc jesus was very aware of…??? and yet not a word. What he did speak about (at length) was his unconditional love of all… maybe that is the message that christians around the world should be speading

  • Ulster Gael

    It isn’t doing anyone any harm, even if you are homophobic.

    Why the colour pink though? Is Pink exclusively gay? it would have been more fitting to colour it pink during ‘Breast Cancer awareness week’ tbh, not ‘Gay week’ or whatever it is called.

  • Comrade Stalin

    I’m surprised republicans are okay with this. I remember when Peter Mandelson first became Secretary of State. A mural went up on the Falls Road portraying him with a limp wrist.

    Ian Hall, are you against sodomy between the same sex, or are you against it between men and women instead ? Would you kind enough to list for us the activities of which you approve ?

  • Cruimh

    “I’m surprised republicans are okay with this.”

    Why ? Must bring back happy memories for all the ex-prisoners 😉

  • Sean

    lol I think Ian is more of the do as I say not what I do type

  • Sean

    Speaking from expierience crumb?

  • heck

    now I know what they mean by “protestant backlash”

  • Comrade Stalin

    Cruimh, how mischevious for you to suggest that the prisoners whiled away the hours rogering each other, rather than studying for degrees, reading Tolstoy, writing poems and political essays, and drawing up advanced military plans.

  • Cruimh

    It’s a reality check for the homophobes CS 🙂

    Ever read Danny M’s book ” On the back of the Swallow” ?

  • Rory

    “Actually they give themselves a bad name with their immoral lifestyle. ” Ian Hall.

    Unlike fundamentalists who are loved and welcomed throughout the land for their exceedingly moral lifestyle no doubt.

    Is it possible to imagine any festive social gathering that is quite complete without the addition of a merry Free Presbyterian or visiting Southern Baptist from the USofA?

    Such men deserve canonisation.

    Of course in order to properly be good at condemning homosexuality it is absolutely essential to understand what exactly it is that one is condemning and it is for that very reason that it would be a wrong to misunderstand the necessity for fundamentalist moralists to visit gay saunas and “dogging” areas in order fully to understand and warn their flock against the exact nature of the heniousness that lies in wait for them.

  • Rory

    “Such men deserve canonisation.” was intended to be the final line following the final paragraph above.

    Please just imagine that it does.

  • Cruimh

    Chris – the laest AP/RN has gone online.

    Do you think it appropriate for your party paper in 2007 to revel in the murder of three policemen ?

    http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/detail/20018

  • páid

    Gasyard Feile is an anagram of Yield Arse Fag

  • Reader

    “The feile decided they wanted to do something for the gay community…”
    Fair enough, but though I’m normally averse to slippery-slope arguments – I can’t help thinking that this is a crack in the dam. A couple of years down the line the wall will be painted up as Pudsey Bear. Mind you, it won’t bother me – I’m a unionist.

  • Kevster

    good on them but I think the rainbow scheme would have been more attractive. But then you have to buy all those different colours.

  • Fotherington

    I’m sure some Republicans are disgruntled, and I’m sure there has been plenty of homophobia in the ranks over the years (witness the Green Book advising volunteers to remember that if an RUC man strips them naked and laughs at their johnson, it’s just because he’s a closet homosexual). However, the opposing instincts of Standing With The Oppressed Peoples of the World (and sneering at Paisley Junior when he opens his big gub) are just too great.

  • Sam Hanna

    What about a memorial at the corner to the murdered Soldiers and Police Officers – no that would be real civil rights!

    Ian Hall I agree with but he has a problem as the Free Presbyterian Moderator is funding directly from his department the activities of the same people who are painting the wall pink!

    Sodomy is an unnatural activity that is not a perversion but an inversion

  • Mustapha Mond

    Actually I’ve just been reading Ian Hall’s blog – such venom towards gays!

    People who are so anti-gay are often hiding something (think of Mr Berry…)

    Is there something you’d like to share with us, Ian?

    A rather weak argument there Cormac, lets run with that logic a little.

    If Mr Hall was vehemently anti-paedophile, Would you accuse him of being a kiddy fiddler?

  • Cormac

    MM: Now that I think of it – why hasn’t Ian Hall reserved his venom for pedophiles – surely they are a far greater threat then the actions of consenting adults?

  • Harry Flashman

    Mustapha the “he doesn’t like gays so he must be gay himself” argument is so absurd and fatuous that it shouldn’t even need correcting yet I guarantee with every thread on Slugger O’Toole that even tangentially mentions homosexuality at least three posters will drag up that tired old trope and present it as if it was something new and radical which they had only just thought of that moment.

    I don’t like Japanese food so I must be a secret sushi chef.

    I don’t like Glasgow Rangers so I must be a closet Billy Boy.

    I don’t like George W. Bush so it must be that I simply will not recognise my membership of the United States Republican party.

    Need I go on?

  • Cormac

    HF: There is a difference between simply disliking something and regularly exercising your bigotry towards soemthing you cannot change.

  • Kevin

    The reason for the pink colour comes from Nazi Germany, where homosexuals were forced to wear pink triangles, similar to the Stars of David Jews were forced to wear.

  • McGrath

    Fotherington:

    I’m sure some Republicans are disgruntled, and I’m sure there has been plenty of homophobia in the ranks over the years (witness the Green Book advising volunteers to remember that if an RUC man strips them naked and laughs at their johnson, it’s just because he’s a closet homosexual).

    Put yourself in the same situation…. at lot of comfort the green book instructions would have been!!!! Think about it, I’m handcuffed, I cant cover my arse, arse cheeks to maximum clench!

  • Pat McKeown

    So the Troubles was all about giving sodomities the freedom of Derry. What a terrible insult to all our dead.
    Where were the sodomites on Bloody Sunday, during the hunger strike etc?
    Of course, now McGuinness and Greybeard can shy away from real radicalism. Radicalism is not standing up to bayonets but taking one up the arse. Just like H Block.

  • Harry Flashman

    *HF: There is a difference between simply disliking something and regularly exercising your bigotry towards soemthing you cannot change.*

    I really cannot change my dislike for Japanese food, I’ve tried honestly, I just can’t abide the stuff, truth be told I my stomach heaves at the thought of eating raw fish, yuk, really disgusts me.

    I make no secret of the fact, I regularly tell my friends who insist we go to a sushi bar sometimes about my really intense dislike of the stuff.

    That makes me a closet Japanese food lover does it? I secretly fantasise about kare raisu and chazuke, at night I trawl the internet looking for recipes for sashimi? All my much vaunted disgust at Japanese food is just bravado is it? I really am hiding my deep seated fear of being exposed as a lover of shabo shabo and I can’t bear anybody finding out about it? Is that it?

    Save the sixth form Freudianism for someone who thinks it’s radical and new.

    (BTW I am thoroughly repelled by necrophilia, coprophilia, urphilia, sadomasochism, klishmaphilia etc etc, does that mean that in fact I am secretly fascinated by these perversions and my disgust masks a hidden desire to indulge in them?)

  • Harry
    ask for vegetarian Japanese food next time.

  • Ian
    Greetings to you at today’s start of Buddhist Lent.

  • Rory

    What on earth, Harry, is “klishmaphilia ” and what was so awful about that made you stop practising it after becoming revolted?

    I understand that you would no longer recommend it but surely there must have been something that attracted you to it in the first place before becoming disgusted.

    Do you have photographs?

  • Morality Jones

    hahahah why jimmy sans himself would be tickled pink himself. Those hard IRA “soldiers” must have been a bunch of back door merchants ?

  • Cruimh

    Situational homosexuality :

    http://www.glbtq.com/social-sciences/situational_homosexuality.html

    Hence that famous picture of Denis 🙂

  • GavBelfast

    It has already been daubed with anti-gay grafitti, since painted over.

  • Fraggle

    Harry, “Need I go on?”

    No, you can stop with the pointless straw-man arguments and non-sequiters. They’re not proving anything.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Harry, just because someone is a raging homophobe does not in itself make them gay.

    But you have to ask what it is that motivates people like Mr Hall to concern themselves in a strange, rather creepy way with the details of what two people in a relationship do with each other.

    There is a huge range of activities which are condemned by the bible; so why spend so much time concentrating on just one ? Look at Leviticus chapter 18/19. It condemns shaving your hair/beard in a certain way, making “marks” on yourself (I’d presume that includes tattooes), wearing a garment consisting of linen and wool. You’re not allowed to reap the corners of your field during a harvest. You’re not allowed to “go up and down as a talebearer”. There are even weird things, such as not being allowed to “eat anything with the blood” and not being allowed to “observe times”. You’re not permitted to hang about with anyone who has a “familiar spirit”, whatever the hell that means.

  • Comrade Stalin
    “familiar spirit”- Bushmills?

  • oberver

    ow that you have brought it up i think it might be important to consider what christ said about homosexuality…

    Jesus: BLANK

    oh dear… Of all the aspects of marailty that jesus spoke on… he had nothing to say about homosexuals. I wonder why? Homosexuality was an accepted part of the greek and roman cultures whihc jesus was very aware of…??? and yet not a word. What he did speak about (at length) was his unconditional love of all… maybe that is the message that christians around the world should be speading
    Posted by Ciarnan Helferty on Jul 28, 2007 @ 07:22 PM

    ciaran, jesus didnt mentioned child molesters, so that must be ok then as well

  • observer

    “The feile decided they wanted to do something for the gay community

    anything to make them forget they lost their war with the brits….

  • big jock knew

    YOU ARE NOW ENTERING

    GAY DERRY

  • Outsider

    Its amazing that the city is happy to embrace the gay community but not the Protestant community, it would have been nice if the wall had inscribed on it ‘You are now entering free Derry/Londonderry.

  • michael

    ‘it’s amazing that the city is happy to embrace the gay community but not the Protestant community’

    what about gay protestants?

  • Outsider

    Michael

    On one hand they are embracing them for being gay which is good but on the other they are being shunned for being Protestant. Seems to me to be a little two faced.

  • GavBelfast

    Was it wise for Mr McCartney’s Rainbow people to get involved in this? The corner is not iconic to everyone in the city. Now that it’s been vandalised anyway, what has been achieved other than to show that there are still anti-gay eejits about but that the Rainbow Project has got involved with one camp, so to speak.

    Maybe it was intended as a genuine and kindly gesture to gay people, or was it a stunt aiming to show tolerance when the legacy of the wall and of Protestants on the west bank is anything but?

  • Mustapha Mond

    CS
    “But you have to ask what it is that motivates people like Mr Hall to concern themselves in a strange, rather creepy way with the details of what two people in a relationship do with each other.”

    I would presume it is his religous beliefs that are the motivation, the desire to ‘save’ someone and be your ‘brothers keeper’. This presumption is based on my own knowledge of christian beliefs and I could be wrong.. but I doubt it.

    What myself and Mr Flashman (albeit a litle more eloquently than me) pointed out is the piss weak argument of “he dont like gays so he must be one”, but if you prefer to question Mr Halls character, rather than scrutinise contemporary christian theology (as you attempted to in the latter part of your post), then the discussion becomes pretty boring.

    HF
    You dont eat raw fish, not even tuna or salmon?

  • Fraggle

    “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”

  • Pat McKeown – how do you know where the gay community were or were not during the troubles?

  • Pope Benedict

    Any good Catholic would tell these sodomites to burn in hell.

  • colm

    Of course it is wrong to assume or hint that everyone or even the majority of people who express particularly strong hostility to homosexuality are ‘closet gays’ but it is certainly a genuine phenomeneon for a significant amount of hostility in all matters sexual. The ‘queerbasher’ whose anger is provoked by his own homosexual feelings is not an invention, just as much violence towards women – particularly prostitutes is rooted in men who have a self-loathing about their own sexual desires.

  • Harry Flashman

    I think what motivates Mr Hall and what lies behind my irritation with the gay issue is the way homosexuality is now viewed.

    I am absolutely 110% in favour of consenting adults doing what the hell they like in the privacy of their own homes (and that includes klismaphilia, and no Rory I don’t have the photos, the bloke at the One Hour Photo developers shop said he over exposed them he was so disgusted, judgemental bastard). Furthermore harassment or violence against people because of their sexual disposition is thoroughly reprehensible and should be punished with the full rigour of the law. I hope that makes my position clear.

    However what was once the “love that dare not speak its name” has now become in the words of a better commentator than I, “the love that can’t bloody well shut up!”. It seems that homosexuality has become elevated in modern society to some form of moral touchstone upon which our virtuosity as individuals is judged.

    Don’t like the police? Damn right, a bunch of pigs the lot of ’em. Hate fundamentalist Christians? Me too a load of hypocritical oul’ windbags bothering God and condemning the rest of us. Don’t like the English? Ha, for sure, cultureless oppressors of poor downtrodden peoples the world over. Don’t like Americans? Too right, bloody Yanks with their fat supersized arses rampaging through the Middle East stealing oil?

    Don’t like homosexuals? What? Horror! You homophobe! You hatefilled bigot! Away to the nearest re-education camp with you immediately, you poisonous filth!

    When did this happen? Who elevated homosexuality to such esteemed heights? Why is it beyond criticism? Why are critics of a lifestyle choice, who dare to express their genuine unease about this lifestyle invariably caricatured as the devil incarnate if not outright closet poofs themselves?

    Whilst I do not share Mr Hall’s hatred of homosexuality I do share somewhat the unease about how homosexuality is now regarded in modern society. I tolerate it but I really don’t think it is something that good governance or healthy society should actively promote and certainly not with public funds. If I have a sexual deviancy from the norm (and yes normal sexuality does exist, it is sex between two adults one male one female with all the beautiful variants that such a coupling can provide) why should I expect the government to promote it in local government and in schools? Why are my sexual deviancies any less worthy or less meritorious than homosexuality?

    What’s so damn important about homosexuality anyway? That’s all I want to know.

  • George Gay

    In my considerable experience, most Provos like it piping hot. Mick Quinlan, who was jailed for trying to spring John Stevenson from the Mater, was only one in a long line of Provo kneeling squaws, which stresses back to “Rogering” Casement, Bob Emmet (a Prod admittedely), Mangan (junkie) and Red Nob O’Neill.
    My experience at The George is once you rattle on to them about the armed struggle, it is easy to drop the paw on them and get them in the jacks for some quick relief. Once they get over their Catholic guilt, they are easy f**k meat.

  • George Gay

    And Provos are pretty in pink (tutus). Just like J Edna Hoover.

  • Sean

    so george you are admitting to riding the hershey highway then!

  • George Gay

    Sean: Of course the Provos like the pink. They could have gone for the Black Shamrock but like the Spartans, they prefer to get it up the Kyber pass. A litle drink and it is Open Sesame. Just my experience and that of most others as well.

  • Nice gesture but as mentioned in the first comment pink and gay do not really match. I’d have prefered a rainbow scheme. Pink envokes a stereotype most gay and bisexuals do not want. Most of us are normal every day people, we wear normal clothes and play an active role in society. What we do or don’t do in the privacy of our own homes and in gay bars and clubs is our own damn business. There are a number of gay bashers who are closet cases themselves, Paul Berry for example, yet thats not to say every gay basher is gay themselves, some are just simply jealous that others are having more fun than they are. By being a “soddomite” who have I harmed? By activly seeking to deny me my rights to free will the fundies harm a lot more.

  • Sean

    My question was about your own personal expierience and so i take it you are not on paisleys christmas card list you old sodomite

  • George Gay

    Pounder: Although I don’t think you can generalise that way, most Provos are warped types who are easily lead astray. Closet bottoms if you will, who hide their feminine side behind the cordite of pretty boys like Bobby Sands. They must now bend over to show they are radical. Which is fine by me as I don’t want to look at their faces whie I am laying pipe.
    When I say they are warped types, I am not speaking about their sexuality which wne unlocked is a ripe fruit to be picked. I am spekaing more about their pathologies.
    Paul Berry types do not interest me so much except to say tere are many like him in the Provos. Trust me. I have bo*ked most of them. The Lsbour Party is also a happy hunting ground and pink is definitely their colour.

  • It would be fair to say that the Loyalist side have their own closet cases too, Johnny Adair and Michael Stone’s latest round of jibes towards each other positively scream bitch fight, not to mention a certain former owner of the Avenue One and alligations regarding him.

  • viola?

  • Dawkins

    George Gay and Pounder,

    Like most mammals, we’re all bisexual in varying degrees.

    Those who agitate most against homosexuals are merely a little troubled by their own bisexuality. It’s really quite simple when you look at the gay question in anthropological terms. In religious terms… whoops, that’s when the trouble starts.

  • George Gay

    Dawkins, If you are saying the Provos are screaming queens, we agree.
    Do you think this was Denis Donaldson’s fatal indiscretion, that he humped Adams’ son or something? God knows, if Gearoid loioks anything like Greybeard, Denis deserved a medal,not a bullet.

  • Dawkins

    George,

    “If you are saying the Provos are screaming queens, we agree.”

    Silly boy. Provos are republicans and therefore can’t — and have no wish to — be queens. I believe it’s unconstitutional.

  • Cruimh

    Should make for an interesting conversation bewtween the FM and DFM over tea and biccies ( Orange Pekoe and Jaffa cakes alternating with Green Tea and Mint Viscounts ?)-

    “So, been upto anything intersting in the last few days Martin?”

    http://breaking.tcm.ie/ireland/mhcwkfojcwgb/