Republicans seek Sovereign’s intervention

SF has proposed that Derry City Council appeal to the Privy Council to change the name of Londonderry. The proposal has been referred to the DCC’s party leader’s group for further discussion. The DUP and UUP have repeated their opposition. This moves follows the rejection of the Council’s legal challenge.

  • Building an Ireland of Equals = Stopping at nothing to further alienate an already shattered unionist population in stroke city?

  • Glensman

    I suppose SF should only look after Unionist feelings, not the electorate that gave them their mandate? I cringe every time I hear UTV/BBC say LONDONderry.

    Noone in the Unionist community went out of their way not to alienate me by thrusting this name upon me with no choice.

    At least SF are making sure that both can be used in the future.

  • Dec

    Building an Ireland of Equals = Stopping at nothing to further alienate an already shattered unionist population in stroke city?

    Good grief, Beano. ‘Shattered’?- get over yourself. How about the citizens of a city deciding what their city should officially be called? I imagine the ABOD are already on board.

    btw did you honestly think this issue was going to go away?

  • Shore Road Resident

    Let’s all support SF’s support for majority rule.

  • Elvis Parker

    Looks like after wasting loads of ratepayers money the nationalists have realised the truth – only the Queen can change this.
    But why would she accede to those who want to re-write the history books?
    The London Corporations built the city – and that is reflected in the name.
    Nationalists should get over it – after all they have accepted there is never going to be a United Ireland so why go on about this silly trival issue.

  • Popcorn

    Unless you are over 400 years old, I very much doubt you were around to be consulted when it was decided to called the town Londonderry.

  • Popcorn

    BTW – The above is directed at Glensman who voiced his irritation at not being consulted on the name Londonderry.

  • Glensman

    Not at the fact that it was changed. But that noone tries to consult over what it hould be called currently.

    I’m just sick of posters on this site going on about how this alienates the Unionist community without taking the time to realise that the Nationalist community is being alienated as we speak.

    And yes it is up to the council to represent their franchise. If they don’t they wont keep it. Ask the SDLP about this…

  • kensei

    “Let’s all support SF’s support for majority rule.”

    You want Alliance to run this place?

    “Nationalists should get over it – after all they have accepted there is never going to be a United Ireland so why go on about this silly trival issue.”

    Did we? When?
    As the issue is so trivial, you won’t mind humouring us and changing it then? After all, it isn’t important, is it?

  • I seriously doubt that the Queen either can or will to anything about this request. She only now has the opportunity to be informed by her ministers about what they are doing, and to either encourage or to dissuade them.

    The government of the day, Brown’s, could use the Crown’s prerogative power to change the city’s name, or have Parliament pass legislation regarding the matter – possibilities which I doubt will happen.

    In short, it sounds like a complete waste of time and money.

  • Dan

    If the 2 communities can not agree what the town is called then changing the law to allow both names to be used legally makes eminent sense.

    In terms of the Privy Council and the Queen the honest answer is they do not care and if there is a clear majority of the locals for change the change should happen.

  • Limerick Lad

    On that subject there is a petition:
    http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Revert-to-Derry/

  • foreign correspondent

    I´d sign the petition but it says you have to be a British citizen or resident to sign it. What´s that about?

  • DK

    Wasn’t there some proposal to re-name the city Derry (why not Doire?), and re-name the walled bit Londonderry – for the tourist trade. That seems like the way forward to me.

    Now as for the name of the county….

  • Reader

    Glensman: And yes it is up to the council to represent their franchise.
    Hmm. If this plan succeeds, does this mean that the name ‘Londonderry’ will be up for grabs? Lisburn could adopt it…

  • Ziznivy

    Is there nothing at all to be said for simply razing the place to the ground?

  • jpeters

    Ziznivy

    i have family in the surrounding countryside, i dont think its fair to deluge them with refugees from schizo city. Wouldnt it be better if the problem was kept concentrated?

  • Dec

    Is there nothing at all to be said for simply razing the place to the ground?

    Just like the Short Strand, eh Ziz? To be fair you later included the Village in your previous demolition wish-list, to belatedly fend of allegations that you were a sectarian moron.

  • Ziznivy

    A second very high wall over which occasional supplies can be lobbed but through which no-one can pass in either direction?

  • Ziznivy

    The whole of County Tyrone needs to be added to that list.

  • Truth & Justice

    Most amusing everything republicians hate yet they run to the privy council for help most amusing indeed.

  • jpeters

    was with you right up to that point, how would i get to see mammy and daddy?

  • foreign correspondent

    Leave off Derry, oh ignorant ones. It´s no worse than anywhere else and the centre and setting, with the sweeping bend of the Foyle, and the Inishowen mountains as a backdrop, are a lot more picturesque than a lot of other towns and cities in Ireland. We did give the world Dana, though, so apologies for that.

  • Reader

    T&J: Most amusing everything republicians hate yet they run to the privy council for help most amusing indeed.
    That was a bit cruel. They were told long ago that was how to get the job done, and the only way to get the job done. So the *only* funny bit is that it took them this long to accept it.

  • DK

    “A second very high wall over which occasional supplies can be lobbed but through which no-one can pass in either direction?”

    You could then have Snake Pliskin doing his very own Escape from New Doire.

  • Kevin
  • Dawkins

    An amusing aspect of this is that Englishmen such as myself, whose capital is big London, invariably call that little city “Derry”.

    I don’t know what this says …

    … but it sure takes less breath to say it :0)

  • Prince Eoghan

    It is such a naturally ugly name(LondonDerry), a noise when spoken that so obviously assaults the ear that it should be banned on that score alone.

    Give Derry back to the Derrywans!

  • Dawkins

    Prince Eoghan,

    You chaps ought to do what my Indian mates in Pondicherry did (note the similarity in the names):

    >In September 2006, the territory changed its official name from Pondicherry to the vernacular original, Puducherry, which means “New village” in the Tamil language.< By this token, Londonderry would then change to Ludoderry, denoting a city of fun and games. The Tourist Board would love it.

  • Prince Eoghan

    Methinks you are not regarding this matter with the seriousness it deserves LondonDawkins!

    There that’ll teach ye!

  • Dawkins

    Limerick Lad,

    >On that subject there is a petition:
    http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Revert-to-Derry< You'll be chuffed to learn that "your" petition is about to receive support from an unexpected quarter. None other than Andrew McCann, he of the feety pyjamas, has posted this on A Tangled Web: "Fair Deal over on Slugger O'Toole covers this [the (London)Derry] story, and a respondent has highlighted that a petition has now been created on the Number 10 website to assist the separatist cause. "To this end I am in the process of having a petition established on the same website, which will run for 6 months (the timescale that the Privy Council has to make a ruling)." How about that? Your separatist cause has become his end. It is of course possible that Andrew means something else entirely — accurate English never having been his strong suit. But I do find his solidarity touching, don’t you?

  • Dawkins

    Now eat your words, my prince :0)

  • pith

    This is a blatant attempt by Sinn Fein to give Jeffrey Donaldson something to do.

  • Diluted Orange

    This whole Londonderry/Derry thing is frankly pathetic.

    As has already been stated it was built by the Guilds of the City of London, as such they decided to name the place ‘Londonderry’. If it hadn’t been for them the city we know now would be nothing more than a hole in the hedge. Why do people object so whole-heartedly to its name, is it evidence of a widespread irrational form of Anglophobia? Would it be more acceptable to call it ‘Dublinderry’ instead?

    Renaming it ‘Derry’ would also be a misnomer – the word in itself is an Angloisation of ‘Doire’ so where would be the point? Other than to remove the ‘shame’ having the word ‘London’ preceding it – it’s still a word which was created by the tyrannical British overlords that the Shinners love to hate.

    Personally, I don’t a shit what its called. If the people of Stroke Shitty want to rename it Derry then so be it – doesn’t bother me. Thankfully, its only on a very rare occasion that I have to go anywhere near the dump. Changing its name officially says more the pathetic whining of Sinn Fein than anything else – I just don’t see why the taxpayer should have to pay the lawyers’ fees to fund this ridiculous enterprise.

    While they are petitioning the Queen to change its name why don’t they also start a petition to rescind its city status since that too was also bestowed on it by the British. I know that I tend to refer to it as a ‘hole’ rather than a ‘city’ (which indicates that some sort of civilisation resides there). Maybe this should be the new standard? Perfect place for a new nuclear power plant if you ask me.

  • Outsider

    I think its fine the way it is.

    Its officially called Londonderry so Unionists/Protestants feel comfortable but Nationalists/Catholics have the freedom to call it Derry in everyday lingo.

    If we are to live in an Ireland of equal then there cannot be one section of the community more equal than others.

    Incidentally Paisleys silence is deafening on this issue.

  • Cahal

    “Perfect place for a new nuclear power plant if you ask me. ”

    Derry was declared a nuclear free zone in the eighties – anybody remember “ban the burn”?

    Anyway, I assume most of the anti-Derry comments, coming from the usual suspects, are nothing more than sectarian ramblings of a few bigots who admit they rarely vist the place.

    It’s also quite amusing how people like Diluted Orange claim…

    “Personally, I don’t a shit what its called. ”

    …but then go on for several paragraphs about how much they do give a shit.

    The locals call it Derry, the only sovereign government in Ireland calls it Derry, Derry is good enough for me.

    Now that the chuckies are reaching a majority across the occupied counties, perhaps majority rule isn’t such a bad idea…..

  • Billy

    Glensman

    “I’m just sick of posters on this site going on about how this alienates the Unionist community without taking the time to realise that the Nationalist community is being alienated as we speak.”

    Exactly, these poor “Unionists” that are being alienated. Funny how they weren’t so bothered about alienation during the decades when the election boundaries were gerrymandered to ensure a majority Unionist council in a city that has always had a vast majority ot Catholics/Nationalists.

    As to wasting taxpayers money – why not comapre the cost of this to the vast amount of taxpayers money that has been paid out by various govt institutions over the last 10 – 15 years as compensation to employees who were discriminated against because they were Catholics.

    To my knowledge, not one of the guilty employees has been fired. Yet we never hear Unionists, who are apparently so concerned about where taxpayers money goes, moan about this.

    Were they worried about the council funding that went to the July 12th celebrations in Derry when they had their gerrymandered control of the council? – I think not.

    As a constitutional Nationalist who has always opposed violence, I have to laugh. For 30 odd years, we had Unionist politicians condemning Republicans for not respecting democracy (although they themselves were often in cahoots with ‘loyalist’ terrorists).

    Now we have a democratically elected council carrying out the wishes of a large majority of it’s citizens and they’re complaining.

    Apparently, democracy is only right when it allows Unionists to do what they want.

  • Billy, 2 wrongs and all that.

    Besides, the hypocrisy is Sinn Fein demanding power-sharing and minority vetos in the assembly and yet acting like dictators when they’re in the majority.

    The hypocrisy is also the fact that Sinn Fein bemoan the idea of having 2 names for the same city when it was nationalists that changed the name of the city council (in the 80s IIRC)!

    If inequality was wrong and majority rule was so bad 30 years ago why is it right now?

  • Billy

    Beano

    “2 Wrongs”.

    I think comparing Derry council applying to change the name of the City (thereby reflecting the wishes of the vast majority of the population) to decades of Unionist blatent discrimination and misrule doesn’t quite balance.

    Unionists may not like it if the name of the city changes (which I think is inevitable). However, this is, at worst, an inconvenience for them.

    Frankly, they will still continue to call it Londonderry just as Catholics now call it Derry.

    It is hardly comparable to denying Catholics a VOTE (the actual basis of democracy – that Unionists are so hypocritical about), jobs, decent housing etc. Which, as you are aware, if what Unionists did from the 1920’s until 1968.

    The Nationalists on Derry council were at least elected democratically. Unlike the Unionists under whose gerrymandered rule, Nationalists had to live for decades. Not too much concern about their sensitivities, eh?

    If Nationalists in Derry (or anywhere else) used their control of the council to deprive Protestants of votes, jobs, housing etc, I would be disgusted but they don’t.

    In fact, Nationalists in Derry have made a point of rotating the position of mayor between all parties for years now. They were trying to show how power can be shared. Was this reciprocated in Belfast or anywhere else where Unionists were in control – NO, it was thrown back in the face of Nationalists.

    It is only in recent years, with the Nationalists achieving the required numbers in the council, that they have been able to take these positions.

    Decisions are taken by every council that upset a proportion of their residents. I’m not aware of e.g. Castlereagh or Ballymena councils being concerned at all with the sensitivities of their Catholic residents in very many of the decisions that they have taken over the years.

    The Stormont Unionists used their majority rule to deprive Catholics of basic rights for decades.

    Derry Council are simply reflecting the wishes of the vast majority of the residents of Derry.

    In reality, this does not deprive any Protestant resident of a vote, house or job or any fundamental right. In everyday terms, it has no concrete effect on their lives.

    If it offends their sensitivities, they’ll just have to get over it. Just like many Catholics who live in Unionist controlled councils have had to get over things that offend them.

  • The Dubliner

    “We did give the world Dana, though, so apologies for that.” – foreign correspondent

    Oh great… now I have that insipid little ditty “All Kinds of Everything” running through my head at three thirty in the morning… and it’ll revisit many times to torment before 6am. Just for that, I hope the Queen renames the city as BuckinghamDerry.

  • kensei

    “Besides, the hypocrisy is Sinn Fein demanding power-sharing and minority vetos in the assembly and yet acting like dictators when they’re in the majority.”

    Actually, SF are the only party to make a decent workable stab at a compromise with retaining the name “Londonderry” for most of the walled city, and I don’t believe SF controlled the council in the 1980’s when the name was changed – so this is an issue that crosses Nationalist party lines. Additionally, while flawed, Nationalist councils have a hell of a lot better record for power sharing than Unionist ones.

    Additionally – please pay attention for the second time now – the current situation alienates Nationalists. So what’s your suggestion?

  • Dawkins

    “I hope the Queen renames the city as BuckinghamDerry.”

    The absurdity of it all! A queen being empowered to rename a city is as preposterous as allowing Elton John to rename the Thames.

    And so many grown-up people appear not to see it as an absurdity.

    At least Elton wrote better songs than “All Ki— ”

    Whoops. Nearly repeated it.

  • Most of the Unionists who get really hung up on this have never been to the maiden city. I spent a lot of time up in Derry over a number of years, and many Unionists that i came across also refer to it as Derry in every day speech. Of course, they would not like to see the name officially changed, but they do not react in anything like the hysterical way that (for example) many of the pro-union types on this blog are doing…