The Order to lay down law- on sex offenders?

Strange one this. Of all the problems facing the Orange Order, the leadership of the Brethren have decided now’s the time to launch a purge- on sex offenders……
Under the ‘new policy,’ membership of the Order will be automatically terminated for members found to be on the Sex Offenders Register. However, when pushed about Order policy on individuals found guilty of other offences, Grand Secretary Drew Nelson was less forthcoming, saying: “Our discipline review will look at members with any kind of serious conviction.” So that’s clear then (plus ca change??.)
Interestingly, the Scottish Orange Order may shortly find itself under pressure to take action against a group of suspected Orange Order members/ supporters who physically and verbally assaulted George Galloway MP at Glasgow airport after returning from an Orange Parade in London.

  • Prince Eoghan

    Not something that I have ever came across, violent marchers returning from an OO parade. Of course they are not responsible for the actions of the minority who continually bring disrepute to this upstanding organisation.

    Change cannot come quick enough for these atavistic throwbacks. Poor auld George, he frequently talks about bigoted Orangemen, I guess they just had to live down to his opinion of them. His fault then!

  • frank

    William McGrath ‘The Beast Of Kincora’ springs to mind.

    I’m sure the attack on Galloway was nothing to do with the orange order in the same way that bands participating in the parade did not honour loyalist murderers.

  • Dr Strangelove

    I would not have had George Galloway down as a Celtic supporter.. I am not sure if he was raised as a Taig but having said that I have meet Scottish Huns who support Celtic.

  • Prince Eoghan

    ‘Huns’ is the name given to Rangers fans in general, like Tims for Celtic fans. If by Scottish Huns you mean Prods, well they support Celtic in their thousands, and Sikhs, Jews, Muslims, even some Catholics. Celtic are the inclusive Scottish team!

    Believe it or not there are some Catholics who support Rangers, I knew one who got a bad report at the Catholic school and he changed to the non-denominational and made friends with Rangers supporting kids and changed. There are loads of kids now in Catholic schools who wear Rangers tops, they are mainly the result of mixed marriages. There was even an English Catholic priest at St. Benedicts in Easterhouse a few years back who deliberately and publicly choose to support Rangers. He ran a youth team and it was a gesture to break barriers. Not sure if he was ever invited to ibrox though.

    Galloway was brought up in Dundee’s Lochee area, a well known historically Irish area. He is of Irish descent and is a Catholic(probably lapsed) himself.

  • Ally

    Do not forget the great Patsy Kensit!

  • Token Dissent

    I am struggling to see any problem with this ‘new policy’. Surely its just making explicit the organisation’s position in the light of new government legislation? Are you arguing that all Orangeman’s criminal records should be purged?

    By the way the dangerous idiot Galloway maintains his Catholicism.

  • Jamie Gargoyle

    I spotted this in one of the London evening free rags yesterday (don’t ask which one, they look the same at the best of times let alone at Stratford during rush-hour…) but couldn’t find anything online when I got home asides the Scotsman’s report which shied away from repeating the contentions that (a) the attackers were Orangemen returning from the anniversary celebrations in London, or (b) the attack was based on Gorgeous George’s support for the Park Head half of Glasgow’s footballing prowess…

    http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/politics.cfm?id=911832007

  • Dev

    This is a pretty random statement from the OO to be fair, it’s not like before now they would have been happy to have convicted sex offenders in their ranks.

  • Dec

    Mr Galloway told the Daily Record: “There was one guy I would describe as a ringleader who said ‘I don’t like your radio talk, I don’t like your newspaper talk, I have a religious duty to knock you down‘.”

    Ah, Christianity in its full glory…

  • Can you not find an empty room to rant, Frank, instead of inflicting your tedious bile here?

    “Interestingly, the Scottish Orange Order may shortly find itself under pressure to take action against a group of suspected Orange Order members/ supporters who physically and verbally assaulted George Galloway MP at Glasgow airport after returning from an Orange Parade in London.”

    Perhaps the Order might ask Galloway if he would like to have the suspects shot? Isn’t that how many organisations deal with internal disciplinary problems, Chris?

  • Dec

    Watchman’s last post was one of the best i’ve ever read on Slugger, being as it was completely devoid of man-playing and whataboutery. More of the same, please!

  • Ginfizz

    “I have a religious duty to knock you down”

    Aye, right enough it sounds like the sort of thing an irate Glasweigan would say – it wouldn’t be in Galloway’s nature to delibratly misrepresent things, would it now?

  • “Watchman’s last post was one of the best i’ve ever read on Slugger … More of the same, please!”

    Happy to oblige, Dec. Don’t worry there’s lots more exposing of hypocrisy where that came from.

    Love your new show, BTW, and hope you soon get back with Clare Buckfield.

    Ta ta.

  • Roger

    First of all Galloway is a ignorant nasty piece of work who has used several pathetic props to further his own career such as Big Brother.

    Anoyone who contacts his radio programme and doesnt agree with what he believes is called a racist.

    I can guarantee that the people who attacked him were not members of the Orange Order, however why let this get in the way of Orange bashing.

    I am at a loss to know why people are against the order banning membership to child abusers etc, maybe Chris could enlighten us.

    I do concede that there are more pressing issues for the order to address but this is a step in the right direction.

  • Dec

    Love your new show, BTW, and hope you soon get back with Clare Buckfield.

    Good grief, Watchman. Do you have to crack that gag every time?
    btw are you secretly…(snigger)…an Ian Rankin novel?
    But seriously, thanks for yet another scintillating contribution to the subject. Frank, Chris and now myself have now all been tackled by your razor-sharp mind. All subjects far more worthy of attention than members of the Orange Order assaulting a British MP at an airport.

  • darth rumsfeld

    I’m always interested in how Shinners manufacture their myths, and here’s a classic. The piece Chris links to refers to people believed to be returning from the parade in London,which could mean anything, yet he calls them “suspected Orange Order members/ supporters” against whom the Orange may have to take action.

    Now I’m never sure exactly what an Orange supporter does,or how one becomes a member of such a group, over and above spectating at an event which takes place in public. If I watch the Lord Mayor’s show, am I a supporter of the Lord Mayor? Of course people support sports teams and express their support by travelling to their games, and similarly these people may well sympathise with their perceived view of the Orange, but there’s not enough eveidence to establish that in the story…so the thread starts on the cusp of dishonesty.

    By the time Dec gets in on the act they have nowbecome “members of the Orange Order”- no room for doubt there about their status, and not a scintilla of evidence to prove this of course, but -hey, it’s only themmuns.

    Funny, but while Dec might get a bit annoyed if I called him a “supporter” of the IRA (or perhaps not) , I’ll bet he’d go ape if I called him a “member” of the IRA.

    So getting back to those uncomfortable facts, we know an MP was claims he was assaulted by persons who had been in London, and were presumably Scottish, and used sectarian remarks. Rightly deplored by all, no matter how much we may despise Mr Galloway. But all bigots in Glasgow – and heaven knows there are too many- are umbilically linked to the Orange, no matter how much is suits some to portray them as such.

    Keep trying boys.

  • darth rumsfeld

    er..I meant NOT all , of course!!!!

  • Prince Eoghan

    Too busy getting yoursel involved in sophistry to get it right first time Darth ;¬)

    It boils down to the facts that the reasonable *ahem* Unionists on here seem to hate GG with a passion. So it would not surprise us that some knuckle-draggers (probably) returning from an OO march in London who are (possibly) members themselves. Taking it on themselves to gang up on a defenceless wee guy and assault him. I mean it is unheard of here in Glasgow for Orangemen/Loyalists to attack isolated people/groups(fucking famous for it). Darth, going by your previous twists’n’turns (the short strand attack for instance) I suspect that you would require written statements admitting all before you would believe that any brethren or supporters of such brethren would indulge in any such acts.

    >>umbilically linked to the Orange< >I can guarantee that the people who attacked him were not members of the Orange Order, however why let this get in the way of Orange bashing.< >I am at a loss to know why people are against the order banning membership to child abusers etc, maybe Chris could enlighten us.<

  • darth rumsfeld

    “He was alluding to the fact that they are selective in their treatment of criminals.”.

    FFS!

    Yesterday the government announced measures to deal with child abusers. Does that mean they are not interested in dealing with other areas of crime too?

    As an eminently reasonable Unionist I think Galloway’s a nasty balloon, but I wouldn’t deck him.It’s his constitutional right to show us how stupid people with his views are.

    And if you can’t see that claiming someone is a member of an organisation without any proof is dishonest then it tells us all we need to know about you. You accuse me of wanting unrealistic standards of proof of guilt and then you stereotype an entire group. I suppose you might tell us all black people are crackheads too, if you weren’t too embarassed. Oh, and all Scottish refs are masons, which is why Cellick never win anything. Just switch on the automatic MOPEometer and come back in half an hour

    I’ve no idea whether some Orangemen go out chibbing nuns on a Saturday night but if the old “one of themmuns did it once so they’re all at it” argument is the best you’ve got then my point is simply underlined in spades.

  • frank

    “Can you not find an empty room to rant, Frank, instead of inflicting your tedious bile here?”

    Wathcman, Yawn Yawn !!

    There is every possibility that Mr Gallaway was attacked by those supporting the parade in London, i mean if supporters and bandsmen are happy to honour uvf murderers in Belfast, why wouldn’t they be prepared to carry out a sectarian attck in London.

  • Prince Eoghan

    Did I mention sophistry Darth? you are trying and failing to conduct a lesson on it here.

    >>Yesterday the government announced measures to deal with child abusers. Does that mean they are not interested in dealing with other areas of crime too?< >As an eminently reasonable Unionist I think Galloway’s a nasty balloon, but I wouldn’t deck him.It’s his constitutional right to show us how stupid people with his views are.< >You accuse me of wanting unrealistic standards of proof of guilt and then you stereotype an entire group.< >Oh, and all Scottish refs are masons, which is why Cellick never win anything.< >I’ve no idea whether some Orangemen go out chibbing nuns on a Saturday night<