King Billy makes the Daily Show

On yesterday’s Daily Show, Jon Stewart interviewed Michael Barone (fifth item down) on his new book Our First Revolution. The book argues the importance of the Glorious Revolution in shaping the American Revolution, the Bill of Rights and more.

  • Maggot

    Must pop round to the SF bookshop for a copy!

  • miss fitz

    Funny FD, I am reading a book at the moment on the importance of Freemasonry in the establishment of the US. Its a book by Nicholas Hagger, and truly fascinating if you have any interest in the subject.

    I have to admit I am a little sceptical about some of his assertions, but its really a very interesting read

  • spotted

    Aye man, Ivan.

  • Pete Baker

    While there are many influences behind the writers of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights I would remain very sceptical of claims that Freemasonry was a significant one, Miss Fitz.

    There is, though, a much clearer and more acknowledged influence in Francis Bacon and, in particular, Isaac Newton and John Locke. So much so that Thomas Jefferson had portraits of all three commissioned and displayed at the State Department.

    Newton and Locke also met and corresponded during their lifetimes.. as well as having a shared interest in the then-proscribed Arian religion.

    And of considerable interest, to those inclined, on the links between the US Founding Fathers and Newton and Locke et al is this book –

    Science and the Founding Fathers by I Bernard Cohen

  • fair_deal


    You might want to check out ATQ Stewart A Deeper Silence it touches on a similar theme for the United Irishmen and IIRC to some degree other revolutionary groups in Europe.

  • willis

    Oh right then, Cromwell, the Republic and regicide never happened?

  • fair_deal


    They all happened but failed to deliver permanence nor stability nor was Cromwell’s rule known for its respect for rights (as defined in the 17th century).

  • willis


    Indeed, but they contained a deeper revolution which was only really realised in the 19th Century.

  • jaffa

    “Indeed, but they contained a deeper revolution which was only really realised in the 19th Century.”

    Exactly. The Puritans eventually split to become the Unitarians and the Congregationalists. You can tell the way each New England town went by the denomination of the church in the village square. Check out the religious affiliations of American presidents.

    This freemasonry thing is background, not driver.

  • darth rumsfeld

    see that Michael Barone?
    You bring a guy over, show him a rural Twelfth, and then he goes and gets interested in King Billy,writes a book, goes on coast to coast tv … and never says how much he enjoyed the bands.:0)

    I’ll get me sash

  • missfitz

    You should check out Hagger’s book. It will flesh all of that for you and give a different perspective or speculation on some of the drivers for Bacon et al.

  • Pete Baker

    Miss Fitz

    Reading the publisher’s blurb..

    “He charts the connections between secret societies and libertarian ideals, explains how the influence of German Illuminati worked on the framers of the new republic, and shows the hand of Freemasonry at work at every turning point in America’s history—from the Civil War to the Cold War to today’s global struggles for democracy.”

    Puts him firmly in the ‘albino monk’ camp.

    Sorry, but the influences from the people involved relate to what they said, wrote, did.. not the ‘German Illuminati’.