If Adams condemns McCabe’s killers, why did he want their early release..?

AS one of the killers of Garda Jerry McCabe is released, Gerry Adams condemns the crime. The policeman’s widow says this is the first time Adams has actually condemned it; previously, he had
described the gunning down of McCabe during the botched robbery as “wrong”. Adams says his opinion was also unqualified in the past on the killing, though others will disagree that saying something is “wrong” is equivalent to condemning it. But if the “dreadful” incident was so “wrong” as to be considered worthy of a stronger condemnation later, why campaign so vociferously for the killers’ early releases?

  • againtthehead

    give it up gonzo – there is no justice in this godforsaken place – if you murder in the name if Irish Unity or to protect the Union, you’ve got a get out of jail free card. May as well close all the prisons and save us a few tax dollars.

  • Glensman

    There was no campaign for ‘early’ release, Mike O’Neill and the others should have been entitled to release under the GFA, just like all the political prisoners in the North.

    How can you justify that someone who killed an RUC officer gets out early but someone who kills a Gard doesn’t.

    Is the life of a Gard more valuable than that of an RUC man?

  • Yokel

    Glensman

    To many people in the Republic of Ireland, yes it is more valuable.

  • Oilibhear Chromaill

    He is the leader of the republican movement. if a few of his followers do something wrong and get banged up for it, but they’re being unequally treated or whatever, he doesn’t stop being their leader. So therefore he speaks up for them no matter the cost to himself.

    it’s something the British have done frequently here – when soldiers were convicted and imprisoned for murder, they facilitated their early release and reintroduction into the British Army – remember privates clegg and wright? i wonder what Gonzo’s stance on those fellows is?

  • Glensman

    Yokel,

    I know this is true, i have had this debate many times with various people in the Free State.

    At this stage though its time people left the Castlerea prisoners alone, Mike O’Neill has served his time, rightly or wrongly, and is now an equal, free citizen just like everyone else.

    He should be afforded his privacy.

  • juan

    Its hard to beleive ‘many people’ in the republic could be so evil, or at least propagandised to such an inhuman degree.

    Adams can’t turn round and admit murdering people is bad as it denigrates his entire political carrer and the basis of his entire movement, if the IRA concede their wrong doings and apologise it totaly detracts from the legitimacy they claim, and with it most of their contrived griviences and indeed all their contrived ‘honour and sacrifice’, and leaves them nothing more than a bunch of crooks who perpatrated cowardly and pointless murders. This observation is for H
    history to make and remains anathama to the PSF,
    you know the fact that that legitimacy has never been strongly questioned in the south would seem to confirm what Yokel says, sure sounds like an awful place…..

  • Shore Road Resident

    So – two wrongs make a right?
    You’re a real debating genius, aren’t you?

  • Shore Road Resident

    PS: Previous comment directed at Oilibhear

  • Oilibhear Chromaill

    i’m merely pointing out the double standards SRR. You do seem to have gotten out of the wrong side of the bed this morning….and please stop following me around, people will start to talk….

  • Shore Road Resident

    “Merely point out the double standard” is indistinguishable from saying two wrongs make a right. Is that your point or not?
    Is it OK for Adams to defend IRA killers because the British establishment stood by Lee Clegg?

    Yes or no?

  • juan

    is there not a distinction between the dilemma facing the soldier when someone fails to stop at a check point (i think i would shot if im honest…imagine your in the Irish army and some baldy dude with a brit license plate carrered through your check point, after several incidents of baldy dudes with brit license plates blowing up hotels and Gealic football clubs…. would do you do ?) and a robber who got caught stealing other folks money to finance an illegal organisation ?

    There is more grounds to defend lee glegg than the McCabe Killers, no matter what side you feel you are on.

  • Glensman

    Only that the ‘McCabe Killers’ were convicted of Manslaughter, not murder, noone intentionally pulled the trigger, the gun accidentally went off.

    Not justifying, just pointing out that there was no intent to kill.

    So said the judge anyway.

  • juan

    how could someone who was not there make such a suggestion though, as any good UDA man could tell you there are lots of ways to use firearms in robberies without using bullets…..remeber the old rice in the barrel trick ?

    Im afraid to suggest that a man who brings a loaded gun to a robbery and puts one of the bullets he brought inside the gun he brought ( an implement of force he brought for aggresive purposes) into another person is reponsible for murder. perhaps lee clegg did not intend to kill, perhpas you could say the same for any non-premeditated killing, you would almost always be wrong, i would suggest.

  • juan

    ‘im afraid i have to suggest’

  • Glensman

    I never compared this with Lee Clegg, im stickin with the original context of the thread and what i said at the start. These men stood trial, served their full time and now are being released.

    Personally i feel they should have been released under GFA. But at the end of the day a judge passed sentence and that has been served.

    Mike O’Neill should be left alone to live his life, as should the other prisoners once they haev been released.

  • Quaysider

    …a principle not afforded to the original witnesses in this ‘manslaughter’ trail.

  • DK

    Wasn’t the problem that the IRA denied all knowledge of them at first, so as not being IRA prisoners they weren’t elligible for GFA early release. The subsequent u-turn that they were IRA men after all and then the SF pressure for their release seems to have been futile as O’Neill is simply being released when he was expected to be released not early.

    Wonder if he will stand for election somewhere. He’s a republican hero now isn’t he?

  • Glensman

    The original witness you refer to was badgered by Gardai and pressurised into giving a statement, he was friends with the accused and later removed his statement of his own will. He also served time for refusing to give evidence, there was no suggestion fromt he witness he was threatened by anyone other than the Gards.

    And to answer DK, M O’N has no intention of standing for election or being a public figure in the future.

    If he has become a hero with republicans, it is not for his actions, but for the way he conducted himself since that day.

  • Ringo

    Only that the ‘McCabe Killers’ were convicted of Manslaughter, not murder, noone intentionally pulled the trigger, the gun accidentally went off.

    Not justifying, just pointing out that there was no intent to kill.

    So said the judge anyway.

    N14 rounds were fired from an AK 47. And you maintain it ‘accidentally went off’??? What planet are you on?

  • Ringo

    Just to make it clear, thats fourteen (14) rounds.

  • Quaysider

    I assure you that everyone who ever shot a provo is equally honoured.

  • Glensman

    If you followed the case then you would know that the Gards tested a similar weapon and concluded that 14 rounds would only take a split second to fire.

    Obviously Ringo you know much more about AK47’s than the Gards or the Irish judicial system?

  • Ringo

    Spare me the conspiracy theories Glensman, if you want to believe that it was an unfortunate accident that’s your problem. It was NOT the states case that this was an accident, no matter how you’ve managed to twist that into your own head.

  • DK has a valid point. The IRA at the time denied this robbery was carried out on its behalf. It was just an ‘ordinary’ robbery. Therefore, these men deserved no early release under the GFA, and one is left wondering why Adams spent so much time trying to securing the release of ‘common criminals’, despite finding their actions “wrong” and worthy of condemnation.

    Oilibhear

    My position on those 2 soldiers is probably the same as yours. But you seem to be arguing that because the British are duplicitous, conniving snakes, that makes it OK for Adams to stoop to the same level.

  • Glensman

    Ringo,

    I don’t think I have ‘twisted’ anything. The state brought a case of manslaughter, which is unintentional killing. Also the judge in this case said that the Gardai had not behaved properly in attaining witnesses. I’m not sure if you followed the case or not, but I am only presenting the facts. How someone interprets that is down to their own political views…

  • confused

    To Glensman

    “how someone interprets facts is down to their own political views”

    What a stupid statement. Facts are assessed on their own merits without any prejudice from any source political or otherwise!

    The sun is now shining—fact—-does this change with ones political viewpoint.

  • Ringo

    how someone interprets facts is down to their own political views

    Actually that is the closest thing to honestly that Glensman has come out with. He can’t accept the bald facts of the killing as it contradicts the republicans need to look on the violent actions of other republicans as ‘honourable’. It was a murder that was tried as a manslaughter because of the intimidation of witnesses.