SF Ministerial roles announced

SF has divvied up its jobs – Catriona Ruane for Education, Conor Murphy for Regional Development, Michelle Gildernew for Agriculture and Gerry Kelly takes the Junior Ministry post in OFM/DFM. Margaret Ritchie has been confirmed as the SDLP’s nominee for Social Development. The Unionist parties are expected to announce later in the week.

  • wee slabber

    They should make a formidable team. The Shinners don’t want for talent, that’s for sure.

  • Elvis Parker

    Ruane is a light weight – drafted in to do down the SDLP not to be a good Minister. Granted the other two seem to be intelligent but thats no guarantee that they will be good Ministers

  • Bigger Picture

    Interesting Gerry Kelly going to OFM/DFM i thought he was the leading light that was going to become Minister for Policing and Justice?? Maybe they’ve realised with boundary changes etc he won’t win North Belfast and they’ve given him the best job he could possibly get!

  • URQUHART

    Murphy is a good appointment, as is Kelly.

    Ruane in education will be interesting – not having been educated here I don’t imagine she’ll have the same in-bred attitudes taht everyone else has.

    But Gildernew? Holy shit. The only possible explanation for this is that they sense some threat in FST from Foster?

  • wee slabber

    Putting Kelly in will heighten his profile even further. That should help his case in North Belfast. It will also help him get ministerial/adminstrative experience for the bigger job ahead?

  • Two Nations

    This might be naive but where is Adams in all this?

    Is it just others time to shine or is he waiting for Tanaiste?

    Or even the Big One?

  • Plum Duff

    As a supporter of SF’s *present* policies and, therefore, as a comparatively recent SF voter, I’m inclined to agree with Elvis P about the ‘clout’, intellectually or otherwise, of Ms Ruane. I think her appointment was done on purely strategic terms with the South Down seat in SF’s sights as the main prize. My own jury’s out on Gildernew as well, as she’s prone to a lot of ‘foot and mouth’ gaffs which, on the other hand, might suit for for her appointed post! Conor Murphy is very impressive as is John O’Dowd which makes me wonder why the latter wasn’t in the top team. Nonetheless, I wish them well and that also goes for the ministers from the other parties.

    On a flight of fantasy, perhaps the First Minister, in his dual role as head of his church and this jurisdiction, could ask for advice on how to run a small statelet with a large diaspora from a person in a similar position – the Pope of Rome. Hmm? Na-ah!!

  • Bigger Picture

    I wouldn’t say so, Maskey has now got that brief and the Shinners don’t make changes just to go back on them later. I think this is bad news for Kelly and he’s been given the junior minister position simply as a cushion for his fall.

    Certainly the Police and Security job is more high profile than the Junior Minister post?? Absolutley! Keeping the security brief raised Kelly’s profile and would have eaten into more SDLP votes in North Belfast if he could be seen as the Policing and Justice Minister in the near future and therefore more acceptable to middle-class SDLP voters on the Antrim Road. Instead he’s gonna be a lackey in the OFM/DFM office – won’t pull him in any further votes

  • J Kelly

    These appointments are not about seats or individuals this is about a team who will shape each department as sinn fein wants it shaped. Kelly in with McGuinness at OFMDFM was the obvious choice if there is going to be a battle a day it will be here and who else for the fight than one of the best soldiers about. Gerry Kelly has proved his abilty over the past 35 years in every battleground this struggle has presented. Very good appointments by Gerry Adams the right team to do the job required.

    Mark Durkan had no choice but it now leaves his own personal stature in tatters, former deputy first minister not even in the executive. If we were to count in terms of relevance he is 14th in the north not to mention were he rates on the island. The executive table will be a lonely place for Margaret Ritchie.

  • The SDLP seems to be taking a big gamble on raising Margaret Ritchie’s profile ahead of the next Westminster election, especially as Caitriona Ruane will also benefit from the increased exposure of a Ministerial brief.

  • Bigger Picture

    “Gerry Kelly has proved his abilty over the past 35 years in every battleground this struggle has presented”

    So yeah then Mr J Kelly, he’s obviously not looking for the North seat lol. Also:

    “These appointments are not about seats or individuals this is about a team who will shape each department as sinn fein wants it shaped”

    So it’s just coincidence then that Ruane (the candidate for the SF targeted South Down seat) and Gildernew (selected to raise her profile in FST ahead of the challenge of Foster after she beat her in the assembly elections.) got selected?? Wishful thinking really!!

  • J Kelly

    when your back is against the wall you have no other option but gamble. durkan was the obvious choice but it would have sent out the message of the sdlp being a one man band. i have to say its terrible to see a once great party in so much trouble LOL

  • Token Dissent

    And the first prize for swallowing the Shinners’ dictonary goes to…

    J Kelly: “Gerry Kelly has proved his abilty over the past 35 years in every battleground this struggle has presented.”

    Some one pass the sick bucket, quick!!

    Plum Duff as: “a supporter of SF’s *present* policies”, I hope you notice the pride in the continuity of ‘the struggle’ that people like J Kelly show.

    I acknowledge that Kelly and Murphy have significant political abilities, the same cannot be said of Gildernew.

    I’m unsure about how Ruane will appraoch Eduacation. Surely one of the tasks that this minister will have to undertake will be increased rationalisation, and integration of the voluntary sector into the state system. Will Ruane have the nerve to tackle this issue?

  • Token Dissent

    Of course it would be helpful if I could type “dictionary” correctly.

    On the SDLP and social development. I don’t see how they can use this ministry to improve the party’s position/profile. On the other hand avoiding the poisoned chalice of health is to their long-term advantage.

  • jake

    bye, bye gerry kelly!

    [play the ball – edited moderator]

  • J Kelly

    TK of course republicans show pride in the struggle and are proud of those who fought. The war maybe over but it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen or we should hide away from it.

    Catriona Ruane has a formidable CV, CAJ, Feile an Phobal and she led the Bring them Home campaign for the Columbia 3. I don’t think that Sinn Fein would have given her the job if she hadn’t the ability.

  • Gum

    Regarding Gildernew –

    surely she is safe in FST? The SDLP seem to be in a very sorry state there and look set to lose even more votes should the seat look like it might fall to the DUP. Aren’t SF 3000 votes ahead? It is a republican/nationalist constituency (although not by much) and I cant see the DUP taking it back without the SDLP pulling off a major comeback to eat into the SF vote.

    Regarding Ruane –

    she always comes across as a capable Shinner. She does well in most debates and has a strong history of organising local bodies. Is there reason to doubt her intellect? Maybe I am forgetting something but has she a history of gaffs?

  • Bigger Picture

    “republicans show pride in the struggle and are proud of those who fought”

    Does that include babykillers who blew up innocent women and children on the Shankill?? Or all the murdered Policemen and women, and soldiers, only out doing a days work, earning a living?? Are they proud of these feats?? Its easy to say your proud of taking on the “Brits” but were you also proud of the anguish and grief that was caused by so many in the Republican movement??

    Leave comments like that in the past or else stay there

  • I think that Ruane will prove her ability in what will no doubt be a difficult role. That is why I think the SDLP may regret the promotion of Ritchie. Had they no other MLA of ability to run a government department if Durkan genuinely did not want to take office himself?

  • Token Dissent

    J Kelly, in the words of a graffiti artist on the Ormeau Road – it wasn’t a war, it was a very naughty boy.

    Gum, I accept your point about Ruane’s organisational qualities. As URQUHARTW says without roots in the North she may even approach problems from a fresh perspective.

  • Bigger Picture

    I would have thought Carmel Hanna would have been capable?? McDonnell wouldn’t have liked it though!!!

  • kensei

    To be honest, any talk of capabilities or otherwise of anyone is just fluff until they actual do something worthwhile. The jury’s out on the entire Executive.

  • middle-class taig

    The Maskey/Kelly swap is an intresting move.

    Alex is much more palatable to unionists than Gerry. In fact, I think Gerry scares the hell out of most unionists. Alex will be able to demonstrate a firm but sensitive hand on the Policing Board, and smooth the transition to local control over policing. I think most unionists would be broadly comfortable with Policing Minister Maskey alongside Justice Minister Paisley. I think a ministerial post of this kind may also help rehabilitate Kelly in unionist eyes. I think he’ll be the surprise star of the new cabinet line-up – if the Press give him a fair crack of the whip (which, of course, they won’t).

    Whether the Shinners then try to pull a bait-and-switch and reinstate GerryK at Policing is another question entirely ….

    The person who may be disappointed here is Mitchel McLoughlin. I know Shinners don’t do personal disappointment, but he’s too capable to be stuck as a mere MLA. A loss to the electorate as a whole. Gildernew has plenty of profile as an MP and MLA and she’s in a dead safe seat. If they wanted another woman (and while I wouldn’t want to suggest that Gildernew’s appointment is tokenism, it wouldn’t have looked good to have a ministerial team of 4 men and 1 woman), Martina Anderson would have been my preference, neophyte or not.

  • Isidore

    Gum,

    “…she always comes across as a capable Shinner…”

    It’s just a shame nobody in South Down (and that’s NOBODY!) likes her! It still hasn’t been forgotten how she was parachuted in to the constituency and it still has been forgiven. In the last election, she had to canvass with just one other person. Now I know she could have called on friends from around the country and there were rumours of the EO investigating party spending but really… Are we to believe that Miss Ruane actually wanted to canvass on her own? In short, she is not liked and will struggle to change people’s minds in South Down.

  • mickhall

    Leaving my own politics and view of the administration to one side, I feel the appointment of two women to top jobs has got to be a progressive step, for in the past as far as having women politicos to the for, the north has often run a close second to Saudi.

    Both women I would guess are under forty which is another plus as the assemble is full of grey suited middle aged males. As to Kelly, he may have his hands full decommissioning another department of the PRM if the barking of the dogs in the street is on the bone.

    Could any of the boffins at slugger tell me what the responsibilities of the deputy first minister are and could McG be frozen out by Paisley?

  • SuperSoupy

    Isidore,

    You may have missed it but Ruane topped the poll in South Down and took the first Assembly seat.

    Sorry to burst your ill-informed bubble of bullshit/deceit.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    #It’s just a shame nobody in South Down (and that’s NOBODY!) likes her!’

    Makes her leadership of the SF vote in the area and the closure of the gap to the SDLP to negligible figures all the more remarkable.

    ‘In the last election, she had to canvass with just one other person.’

    See above.

    ‘Are we to believe that Miss Ruane actually wanted to canvass on her own? In short, she is not liked and will struggle to change people’s minds in South Down.’

    Again see above.

    Isidore your post is just plain dumb.

  • SuperSoupy

    To those talking about ministries being used to profile potential MPs, surely if the Assembly is stable Nationalists should consider withdrawing from these pointless and expensive battles in worthless westminister elections?

  • Token Dissent

    mickhall, I am probably being blindingly thick, but what id the PRM?

  • mickhall

    Token dissent
    provisional republican movement

  • Rubicon

    Mickhall – the DFM’s responsibilities are exactly the same as the FM’s. Either could freeze the other out.

    I expect you know this but prefer to emphasise the “deputy” in MMG’s title to give a false impression.

  • GavBelfast

    The person who may be disappointed here is Mitchel McLoughlin. I know Shinners don’t do personal disappointment, but he’s too capable to be stuck as a mere MLA. A loss to the electorate as a whole.

    Posted by middle-class taig on Apr 04, 2007 @ 05:40 PM

    He said, and came across quite frankly and honestly in saying it, on Questions and Answers a couple of weeks ago that he didn’t expect to be considered as a minister, would refuse such a position if offered to him and preferred and felt he was better suited to other roles in the party.

    As Sinn Feiners ago, he doesn’t seem the worst. I have to say I just find Catriona Ruane comes across as annoying, but she might be a decent minister – which is the main thing now with she and all 14 of them.

  • The only possible explanation for this is that they sense some threat in FST from Foster?

    Nonsense!

    Michelle has done a lot of work on the Agriculture porfolio within the party. She had the Civil Servants and their cronies in the UUP land owners/Department of Agriculture bricking it at the prospect of her being a Minister.

    She is a very capable elected rep from a strong Republican constituency.

    What many of you consider “gaffes” and “mistakes” many within the Republican community were very happy with.

    She is a young, intelligent woman and that is what most in the DOA have to fear, she won’t take any shit of them.

    A good ministerial team!

  • Time will tell

    Gildernew is far from safe in F/S/T with the total collapse of the UUP vote the DUP can capitalise but with the added spice of Arlene Foster as the all singing all dancing unified unionist candidate S/Fs goose looks cooked.
    It was because of this opportunity to take F/S/T that Foster was not parachuted into Belfast South to replace the local drudge.

    Murphy is only smart looking, he wears a reasonable suit and trendy glasses but is as bright as a pocket torch using Nutts corner batteries at ten for a quid, I’m not saying the man is stupid it’s just that I won’t be getting him to do my books for me.

    Gerry Kelly is almost the same as Conor Murphy he’s also as bright as a pocket torch from Nutts corner except without the batteries.

    Ms Ruane though takes the biscut, I tell you having had the misfortune to have been in her company on several occassions I can state with complete confidence that gaff collectors are about to be spoilt rotten.
    You only have to look in the womans eyes to know that there may be a lift installed but it definitely does not reach the top floor, it was probably for this reason that S/F sent her to help the Columbian drug dealers escape justice, knowing that they could jettison her at will if it went like her figure “pear shaped” all in all a pretty piss poor team

  • Isidore

    Nobody will be surprised to read the sycophantic Shinner dribble from the likes of Pat Mc Larnon and SuperSoupy – judging from their previous entries here on the Slug, it is only to be expected. No “debate” is possible

    SuperSoupy questions my point that Catriona Ruane is not liked in South Down (mostly notably by local SF activists!) and, by way of “proof”, he cites the fact that she topped the poll as if to suggest her 6334 first preference votes reflect a personal vote. I do not doubt for a minute that SuperSoupy genuinely believes this.

    Within four minutes of SuperSoupy’s post (and just long enough to type another post?), Pat Mc Larnon makes a similarly ridiculous point, like only Shinner sycophants can! Ruane’s leadership of the SF vote is just that, a reflection of the SF vote. There is no way of judging how far this can be seen as a reflection of her personal popularity, to suggest otherwise is simply delusional. If that’s how Miss Ruane sees it then it would be considerably arrogant of her; but then again, she is a SF representative.

    The fact remains that our new Minister was left to canvass on her own. Why? Catriona Ruane’s problem in South Down is not the SDLP, far from it! It is from within her own party whose members in SD resent the fact that she was parachuted in to the constituency by a British spy and, in doing so, kicked the much loved local man out of the game.

  • miss fitz

    Mick
    I’m not 100% certain, but I doubt either Michele or Catriona will ever see 40 again.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Isidore

    Looks like Denis Donaldson managed to complete his mission, even if it did come a year after he died.

  • kensei

    “Mick
    I’m not 100% certain, but I doubt either Michele or Catriona will ever see 40 again.”

    Wiki has Gildernew born in 1970 and Ruane in 1962.

  • SuperSoupy

    The man not ball rule suspended again but sure it’s only SF being hacked at.

  • Indeed Soupy

  • seanzmct

    What a load of nerdish sycophancy. Who cares who got which particular “high office” and whether Gerry is better than Michelle or Alex more acceptable than Columbia Caitriona.

    These Sinners,who have ushered Paisley into power, are nothing but a bunch of self-serving, sectarian power trippers in a wee partitionist six counties toy town parliament.

    They are part of the new six counties elite and
    we will soon see just how reactionary their policies are. The attack on the trade unions over water tax is just the start of it. Bourgeois Catholic Nationalism how are you?

  • Token Dissent

    Oh SuperSoupy I hope you ok, and that you haven’t been too upset by the comments.

    Its not like you viciously attack contributors or anything…

  • SuperSoupy

    Sean,

    The ‘attack’ on the Unions led to one main postal Union endorsing Mitchel’s idea and calling on the others to do likewise.

    This, of course, was not as widely covered as other people having a pop.

  • SuperSoupy

    TD,

    I’m a big boy don’t worry, I’m not asking for personal protection from the asinine contributions above. I’m just noting what is allowed to stand as acceptable comment on government ministers designate when a rule is rigorously aplied in other situations.

    No biggy, it’s standard form. I just mention it occasionally.

  • Isidore

    This post concerns the SF ministerial roles and Ruane in particular. To question how affective a SF minister can be if she doesn’t possess the full backing of her party is certainly fair comment; or is that merely an “ill-informed bubble of bullshit”? Better to whinge than answer the question eh?

    I KNOW people in more than one of the SD cumman refused to canvas with her made their excuses as to why they would not be able to canvass with her; something previously inheard of within the ranks of SF! It’s not just a case that Ruane is not liked, she has yet to convince the SD SF that she is not another Donaldson!

  • SuperSoupy

    Isidore,

    I know more people in South Down SF than you do, I know that they all have a great relationship with Catriona and the few that had any issues left long ago with the electorally rejected Cunningham.

    Being in the same count centre with them in Lisburn I saw the uncontainable joy of every SF member in that constituency as they saw her poll-topping result and gleefully rang their friends/comrades to boast about the wonderful result the team had accomplished.

    Sour grapes and bullshit on your part. Lap it up. She stuffed every contender.

    Your bitterness just makes victory sweeter.

  • SuperSoupy

    mickhall,

    As no one has answered your question on the difference between FM and DFM (Unionists won’t want to) I will –

    There isn’t one. The prefix means nothing other than the stage they got the equal role.

    The main function are:

    The duties of the First Minister and Deputy First Minister will include, inter alia, dealing with and co-ordinating the work of the Executive Committee and the response of the Northern Ireland administration to external relationships.

    but the office has other policy setting areas including most importantly Europe.

    They are equal roles. Mallon often made an issue of the prefix seemingly reducing his equal status. McGuinness will have exactly the same legal status as Paisley regardless of any prefix.

  • SuperSoupy

    Isidore (change the name),

    Just got a reply from the SF Director of Elections for SD. At no stage was Catriona out canvassing with a team of less than ten SF members on many occasions they had over 50 activists out with her.

    So is he lying or are you? Prove your bullshit – but you can’t because it’s just bullshit.

  • páid

    It’s obvious that the Shinners in the North believe in the sinn part strongly.

    No-one, and especially no man, can find it easy to eschew personal power for the benefit of the party. I suppose that virtue of selflessness comes from the Struggle.

    South of the border, it lasted a generation, before mé féin got the upper hand, where it sits in absolute authority today.

    Fáilte ar ais, missfitz.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    The site has been plumbing new depths of trolling almost on a weekly basis. This thread being no different.
    Pre election it was the home for a plethora of ‘new’ posters who had the task of talking up the dissidents etc and the trouble that SF were having.

    As it was these clowns were humiliated and their analysis shown to be propaganda or just plain lies.

    One would have thought these ‘posters’ would have had the good grace to disappear back beneath the stones they evidently originated from. But no, we have the likes of ‘Isidore’ crawling out with sweeping statements about Ruane. According to this poster ‘nobody likes her’. How this single troll was able to do a vox pop on every single person in Sth Down is not explained. But then again that is not the point is it. The poster then has the audacity to talk of the much loved local candidate. Who exactly is that? Is that the person who also fought the assembly elections and got nowhere.

    Speculation and rumour mongering will always collapse under the sheer weight of the facts. As it is ‘isidore’ it is the voters of that constituency that have damned you as a fool and a liar. Lie all you want and profess an inside knowledge but put against the truth that came out only a few weeks ago via the ballot box and people can make up their own mind.

    Having posted before under another identity ‘isidore’ has now reappeared to give post election analysis based on the ‘everyone knows’ school of thought. Not likely, at least have the wit to wait till the election results are a bit of a memory.

  • godsdog

    Rather than focussing on the individual ministers, I would be keen for someone to tell me what progressive agenda SF intend to bring to these ministrys. Having voted for them in the hope that they would drive a leftist social agenda through the Executive and maximise All Ireland co-operation, I am in shock at the ministeries they have chosen. Jesus the biggest mistake this leadership have made, without doubt

  • godsdog,

    Good question.

    All,

    Can I just say that there has been a fair amount of rabbit punching going on on this thread. Anti SF animus is no more welcome here than anti Unionist or anti SDLP, or indeed anti Alliance animus is.

    For all that I value these comments, and there is some genuinely insightful contributions here that add considerably to the value of the site, I am not interested in continuing it if it is to be used systematically to make personal attacks on public figures, or to be a scrapping ground for posters.

    I completely welcome fulsome and agressive argument and/or questioning – even of our blogging team! But such argument has no value if it is entirely content free. I cannot (nor do I wish to) stop people propagandising on behalf of their own political interest/agenda. But I note that you do your own cause no good by refusing to address concrete political realities!

    In this case, whatever about the alleged internal troubles within S Down SF, Ms Ruane is clearly popular with the only people who count in a democratic system: the voters!

    Kindly deal with that, and move on!

  • wee slabber

    Mick: My fault – I started the thread by commenting that the SF team looked “formidable”. I didn’t anticipate the vitrol such a simple observation would unleash! I agree, about all of these things, move on and let’s build a better future, but keep a healthy eye on the past for lessons to be learned.

  • mickhall

    Come on Pat
    lighten up, whether we like it or not rumor mongering is the meat and drink of democratic politicians and your own party are no slouches at the game.

    Ms Fitz,

    You may be right, but I still see the appointment by SF of two females to the top jobs as a progressive step, however, having said that it will be up to the women themselves to prove their worth.

    Soupy

    Thanks for your reply, it may be great fun watching the elbows of Mr Paisley and MMG come into play.

    Regards to you all.

  • It’s not in the least your fault WS. But there is a culture here of people making statements without taking the time to back them up with examples/evidence. Sadly it often leads to barflyery of the worst type.

  • Isidore

    I believe Pat Mc Larnon’s typical angry, ad hominem type post directed at me speaks volumes about him and the current thinking taking place within SF. His bitterness to anyone who sees things differently to him obviously led him to forget that this post is about “SF Ministerial roles”. It would seem that Pat Mc Larnon prefers to have an identifiable personality to criticise rather than ignore or address any points made.

    SuperSoupy, like SF in general, you clearly believe your own nonsense. Don’t confuse what you think you know and believe with actual fact; you only succeed in making yourself sound ridiculous.

    My post is certainly not motivated by “bitterness” as you embarrassingly and foolishly claim! You arrogance seems to suggest a view that if someone is not FOR SF then they must be AGAINST SF – not so. How do you know what I’m not in SD SF and posting on here to say what can’t be said amongst party ranks? Maybe I have strong, long-standing family connections with SD SF and actually know just as many, if not more people in the party in the area than you do? Fact is, you don’t know so your foul language and bad attitude only continues to embarrass you and anything you stand for…., keep it up!

    ” Being in the same count centre with them in Lisburn I saw the uncontainable joy of every SF member in that constituency…”

    Given that only the candidate, their spouse/partner and one other person is able to attend the count, to suggest that there are only nine SF members in South Down really is stupid. Try to do us all a favour (and your blood pressure) by thinking before your vent your own angry, bitterness out on the keyboard.

    Catriona Ruane made a point on several occasions during the run up to the election, both publicly and privately that it was not about “topping the poll” but rather “getting as many home”. The gleeful phone calls you speak of makes the party line out to be little more than spin and hype, cynical given to the electorate to chew on in the assumption that’s what they want to hear.

    “She stuffed every contender. “

    Not quite. Let’s not forget that, despite topping the poll, she failed to meet the quota and had to wait until the seventh count before being elected. Not really that impressive for our Minister in waiting eh? In Nationalist terms, South Down is a hung constituency in so far as it is split; both SF and SDLP having approximately 30% of the vote. There remains a very strong SDLP vote that the SF has been unable to crack and while the in-house doubts about Ruane’s pedigree remain, their “progress” will remain stagnant. Why the SDLP ran Michael Carr in Warrenpoint I’ll never know. Sitting MLA PJ Bradley has a long association with the town and has his constituency office there. It is not at all unthinkable that if he had been canvassing the whole of the south of the constituency, HE would have topped the poll AND comfortably made met the quota. However, that’s why “what ifs” and “what abouts” and who topped the poll doesn’t matter one jot.

    Your “SF Director of Elections for SD” is either ignorant of the facts or telling you lies. I know this because I was at a house when she called with only one other person with her and NOBODY else around. Fact. Believe what you will, but if anyone with an open and objective mind talks to anyone in South Down (with the obvious exception of SF sycophants), they will hear what I have said being backed up.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    isidore (sic)

    Ad hominen? A cursory glance at the facts re the performance of Ruane since her arrival in the constituency would deem you to be a liar. I simply point out the fact.

    No person, no matter how talented can perform so well electorally campaigning on their own. These are basic facts that can be measured.

    You prefer the nod and wink discussions that polluted (and discredited) this this in the run up to the elections.

    In reply to SS you waffle about an SDLP vote in Sth Down that SF have been unable to crack. Quite simple either you are deluded or you are so twisted in your logic that you instead replace truth with lies.

    A bit of advice, there is a link to the elections website that gives the results of past elections. Go and measure the performance of SF against the SDLP since Ruane arrived in the constituency. It will save you from looking even more stupid than you are now.

  • Fermanagh Young Unionist

    Chris,
    What many of you consider “gaffes” and “mistakes” many within the Republican community were very happy with.

    Whether or not the Republican movement were happy with Gildernew making an ass off herself is irrelevant, the point is it gave no favours to the assumed intelligence of a senior Shinner.

    Time will Tell,
    Gildernew is far from safe in F/S/T with the total collapse of the UUP vote the DUP can capitalise

    Mefinks you need to actually look at which party increased its vote and which party fell by 3000 before you start talking through your ass…

    Hmms I wonder what affect Ruane’s promotion will have on the Academic Selection debate?

  • Isidore

    Pat Mc Larnon

    “A cursory glance at the facts re the performance of Ruane since her arrival in the constituency would deem you to be a liar. “

    Wrong. Simply because that’s what you believe does not make it fact. Try again. Any rise in the SF can, in no way, be viewed as a direct indication of Miss Ruane’s personal vote. I would argue that it is a reflection of the growing party success SF is enjoying at the moment. The fact that she was parachuted in to the constituency AND did well backs up an argument that SF could have ran almost anybody and done just as well.

    “No person, no matter how talented can perform so well electorally campaigning on their own.”

    Wrong again. Any party can (and many do) develop a strong party following in a given area. Any candidate with a strong personal vote needs the weight of a professional party campaign behind them.

    Face it, there are many people in SD, particularly in SD SF who do not like Miss Ruane (and that’s putting it mildly). It is an acknowledged tactic of SF to use party activists from any area to canvass. Even on the day of the election, it is not un usual to have a few local faces outside the polling station and people from the other end of the country inside, checking for personation transgressions. This is not a criticism. I think other parties would do well to do the same.

    I think Catrina Ruane’s profile and credibility will struggle without the local support of South Down SF. If, as you seem to be suggesting, everything in the SD SF garden is rosy, I would be interested to know why she was not out canvassing with local people and who signed her nomination papers?

    AD HOMINEM – ”You prefer the nod and wink discussions…”
    AD HOMINEM – ”…you waffle about an SDLP vote in Sth Down…”
    AD HOMINEM – ”…you instead replace truth with lies…”
    AD HOMINEM – ”…It will save you from looking even more stupid than you are…”

    Why bother discussing the issues raised in the title eh Pat? Really, is this the best SF can come up with?

  • Finally we’re getting down to some content. Just let the earlier adhominem ride and let’s have more facts?!?

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    ‘Wrong. Simply because that’s what you believe does not make it fact. Try again. Any rise in the SF can, in no way, be viewed as a direct indication of Miss Ruane’s personal vote. I would argue that it is a reflection of the growing party success SF is enjoying at the moment. The fact that she was parachuted in to the constituency AND did well backs up an argument that SF could have ran almost anybody and done just as well.’

    Revisionism gone mad and so soon. It was only a few weeks ago we were told that the likes of Davy Hyland etc would do SF harm because of their strong personal vote.
    Again look at the history of the SF vote in the area and the vte since she arrived.

    You are standing all logic on how to farm a constituency on its head. In order to get elected and stay elected people have to be seen and work on the ground, that way people vote for them, as they do in the case of Ruane.

    ‘Wrong again. Any party can (and many do) develop a strong party following in a given area. Any candidate with a strong personal vote needs the weight of a professional party campaign behind them.’

    First of all nobody at all likes her and she canvasses virtually on her own. Now she has a strong personal vote and a professional party campaign. Please make up your mind.

    ‘Face it, there are many people in SD, particularly in SD SF who do not like Miss Ruane (and that’s putting it mildly). It is an acknowledged tactic of SF to use party activists from any area to canvass. Even on the day of the election, it is not un usual to have a few local faces outside the polling station and people from the other end of the country inside, checking for personation transgressions. This is not a criticism. I think other parties would do well to do the same.’

    Nonsense as pointed out by people who actually live in the area the whole organisation is behind her.

    ‘I think Catrina Ruane’s profile and credibility will struggle without the local support of South Down SF. If, as you seem to be suggesting, everything in the SD SF garden is rosy, I would be interested to know why she was not out canvassing with local people and who signed her nomination papers?’

    She will be a Minister for goodness sake how will her profile suffer. Her credibilty has been reinforced by the voters of Sth Down.

    Since the demise of Donaldson we have had a few trolling on the subject of Sth Down. How the oganisation was n stood down and heavies from Sth Armagh ran the show. How there was discontent and a dislike for Ruane etc etc. Lo and behold what has happened the SF vote is now virtually neck and neck with the SDLP, in the last great bastion of SDLP power. No sign of discontent; no sign of the voters buying that tripe.

    Do us all a favour, most of the real posters have an idea of how politics, especially constiuency politics work. On the subject of Ruane and SF in Sth Down it is clear that there is no discontent with her or the party in the area. The ‘much loved’ local candidate who is a source for many of these stories got a political kicking at the hands of the electorate. That’s the end, get over it.

  • Isidore

    Yet more ranting and squeeling from Pat. Well, I suppose everyone is good at something so stick to what you do best eh? It is nothing more than Shinner sycophancy running wild today.

    “Any candidate with a strong personal vote needs the weight of a professional party campaign behind them.”

    …means just that, ANY candidate. It does not suggest that she HAS a strong mandate. Precisely the opposite in fact, a strong personal vote in itself does not reflect or ensure political success.

    “…most of the real posters…” Where did you come up with that line, The Daid Brent School of Blogging?

    Bury your head if you like Pat. Believe all your own hype and talk shite if you like, but please, I ask you, don’t piss on my leg and then try to convince me it’s raining. Your opinions and beliefs do not equate to fact. For many people in South Down, Catriona Ruane is NOT liked. She made a fool of herself over the National Park issue, trying to tell a “NO TO THE PARK” group that she was with them in their campaign but actually argued for any National Park to be bigger than the one proposed! Not what the assembled people wanted to hear and they let her know it.

    “how will her profile suffer”
    If her ministerial duties take her away from the constituency and she does not have the support of the party locally (where her vote is) to act promntly and quickly, she will be punished. That’s how it works Pat.

  • seanzmct

    Dear TD Government ministers ( designate or otherwise) are not like the rest of us. They are sectarian bigots and notoriously dissembling power-hungry bastards who are likely to shit from on high on the ordinary people if they are not subjected to the the critical scrutiny that a democract permits within the bounds of the law. Give up your sentimental campaign of kid-gloving these gabshites.

  • sticky wicket

    Yeah Sean, maybe you should parachute Joe Bell and John Lowry into Stormont to run the show-or should that be to ‘run the book’ in that other great East Belfast institution, The Melting Pot

  • SuperSoupy

    Isidore,

    Just to correct you another error, each candidate is allowed to bring in their partner, electoral agent and several polling agents. SF had 3 candidates for South Down and had 15-20 people attending that count. All were utterly delighted with Catriona’s poll-topping performance and could not contain their glee.

  • SS

    Don’t feed trolls, Isidore is talking nonsense.

  • Isidore

    There’s no show without Punch is there? Pat Mc goes AWOL and along comes SS, coincidence?

    To correct YOU, the Banbridge office can confirms that in the South Down constituency at least (i.e. at the Lisburn count, each candidate was allowed to be there, their partner, and their agent and one other. People don’t have to take my word for that, they can check with the office themselves if they wish. However, regardless of the few people who are allowed to be there, your comment remains just as ridiculous…

    ”Being in the same count centre with them in Lisburn I saw the uncontainable joy of every SF member in that constituency…”

    If making yourself sound stupid, angry and bitter is of any concern to you, you should think before you attack the keyboard with your ranting…

    As for Catriona’s “poll-topping performance”, read my previous post but may be you can explain why she couldn’t meet the quota? Why the SF vote management strategy didn’t work in South Down?

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    isidore,

    depending on which of your personalities is the dominant one at any given time Ruane has no support and campaigns on her own to she has a professional team behind her. Still trying to work that out.

    Or everyone in the constituency hates her to many people don’t like her, which is it? Also, this is despite her having a strong personal vote, as you have conceded.

    Chris is right about feeding trolls, personally it is good to give them a kicking now and again

  • seanzmct

    Sticky Wicket-what are you on? Sorry,what are you on about? I have never mentioned Messrs Bell and Lowry and I have no connection whatsoever with them. But I am sure they will love you for your unprovoked personal attack on them.

    The only sense I can make of your comment is that your provincialised perception of things leads you to regard as a Stickie anyone called Sean who offers a leftist critique of the Paisleyite/Sinn Fein coalition of communal sectarians at Stormont.

  • sticky wicket

    ‘anyone called Sean who offers a leftist critique of the Paisleyite/Sinn Fein coalition of communal sectarians at Stormont.’

    don’t sell yourself short , Sean.

  • Isidore

    And then SS goes AWOL and back comes Pat Mc coincidence?

    Pat,

    Your posts are as irrational as your unquestioning support for SF is bordering on obsessive.

    I suspect you are being disingenuous and are using that tried and tested SF ploy of issue avoidance in your SF propaganda type postings. Get the debate away from tricky issues for SF right? Here on Slugger, use dismissive statements (a ploy often used by none other than Gerry Kelly), using condescending and patronizing tones, feign anger and bitterness and, if all else fails, blame the Brits, securocrats, anti-agreement forces, the SDLP, the UUP, David Trimble, Paisleyites, loyalists or just about anybody but SF. Because SF s always right and everyone else is always wrong. That’s the sycophantic Shinner world isn’t it? You’re bitter rants only support this view.

    ”Ruane has no support and campaigns on her own to she has a professional team behind her. Still trying to work that out.”

    Let me explain, as I am sure you’re not that stupid to follow this simple point, (though admittedly, I do not know for sure). You are wrong to infer that I suggested that Ruane has no support but you knew that right? The very clear point I made was to point out to those who are not familiar with the South Down constituency, that she is not liked, most notably by people within the South Down SF. I know this for a fact. She hasn’t been able to shake off the Donaldson dust since being parachuted in to the constituency. There is a clear difference. May be you actually are unable to see the difference as you see no problem in supporting the treasonous Irish Republicans. No support does NOT equate to NOT liked. Can you follow or are is that too difficult for you?

    Much of the support Miss Ruane has in SD is bussed in from outside the constituency; certainly around election time. I raise this point not as a criticism but rather to question how her unpopularity amongst her own SD SF party will impact on her role as a minister. No doubt her workload will increase dramatically. She will need a few more pastel trouser suits and she will have to be seen to be working for all the people everywhere, not just South Down Republicans. No doubt she will be keen to let everyone see that this is just what she is doing but her local work will have to continue. A prompt, reliable and effective response to issues raised by the people who put her where she is, will be made much more difficult, given she does not have the full backing and support of SD SF.

    Can you explain why she couldn’t meet the quota and why the SF vote management strategy didn’t work in South Down? And who did sign her nomination papers?

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    isidore,

    cunningham loser, ruane stella winner. isidore liar, pat mc larnon teller of truths, easy enough, goodbye.

  • I BELIEVE FREDDY & PAT

    Pat, you forgot one thing – “And Freddy was not a tout!” LOL

  • Isidore

    Not quite Pat, but you did forget one thing…

    …who DID sign her nomination papers?