More promises..

UKUP multi-candidate Bob McCartney has pledged to represent each and every constituency for which he is elected.. assuming he is elected that is. Previously the Electoral Office had issued a statement on candidates elected in more than one constituency [pdf file] which, referring to the Northern Ireland Assembly (Elections) Order 2001, assumed that a vacancy would be created in such circumstances.. Bob begs to differ – “By-elections will not take place unless he resigns, which he does not intend to do.”

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  • interested

    Bob can make all the promises he likes. He wont have the hassle of voting for 2 or 3 constituencies because the latest polling shows he’s unlikely even to hold North Down.

  • Jamie Gargoyle

    Imagine the headlines if he does win two or more:
    “Sideshow Bob is Sideshow Bob’s own Sideshow…”

  • Valenciano

    Idiotic or not, he has highlighted one major flaw in the electoral legislation. Why should candidates be able to represent multiple constituencies? For Westminster elections the only advantage that it gives them is that they can choose which seat to represent and a by-election takes place in the other. Why do they have different nonsensical rules for the assembly?

  • The Devil

    It’s not just Bob (the last boyscout) McCartney who is standing in six constituencies Gerry Adams is standing in at least fourteen maybe more.

  • mchinadog

    Not sure how Bob McCartney’s sees activities helping Unionism, from where I see it he will be making sure Sinn Fein become the largest party although he has been honest in his uttereings saying that is his reason for doing so that is if his dreams come true and he wins 6 seats. If by some chance he was elected in even two seats only one of his votes should count therefore Unionism will lose out in any vote if it has to have cross community support. What a nonsense almost as bad as in the last assembly when a dead man voted. I hope he is not right that he can take all the seats should he win them (pigs might fly) and that the Electoral Office will have the clout to stop him. There is no other country in the democratic world where someone could possibly take on this position, we will end up a laughing stock and Bob will be the biggest joker

  • BonarLaw

    Valenciano

    “Why do they have different nonsensical rules for the assembly?”

    Because the sdlp designed a fundamentally undemocratic legislature.

  • prolefodder

    Sideshow Bob – he’ll be missed (not!).

    He’s a self-made man (often hear in the Culloden reminding all in earshot that he’s ‘from the Shankill’), and he loves his creator!

    The ego is leaving the building!

  • Greenflag

    Says Barry White ,

    We’re used to strange elections here, but this is the strangest I’ve ever encountered. We’re being asked to vote for parties who don’t speak to each other into an Assembly that may never meet, with an executive-cum-government made up of political opponents who agree about hardly anything.

    Welcome to the unreal world of Northern Ireland politics where if we fail to strike a deal between ourselves by March 26, the real government, in London, threatens to increase the involvement of the Irish government in our everyday affairs.’

    Indeed 🙁

    McCartney is an honest Unionist -I’ll give him that much – probably the only true Unionist runing in this election . I’ve no time for the ‘Union’ but at least with McCartney people know what they’re voting for !

  • correction

    Barry White: “….We’re being asked to vote for parties who don’t speak to each other….”

    Incorrect, Barry. Let me remind him that it’s the DUP who won’t speak to SF. SF will talk to any and all parties, including the DUP. An important distinction.

  • Aaron McDaid

    correction,
    Indeed. I suppose it’s typical of the media who mistakenly thing that fair and balanced reporting means pretending that the parties are mirror images of each other.

  • I wonder…

    So, the definition of an “honest Unionist” is one who wants to see SF become the largest party in NI.

    Amazing. Beam me up, please. 🙂

  • Aaron McDaid

    ‘I wonder’,
    It doesn’t matter if SF are the biggest party, because the offices of FM and DFM are identical. I don’t suppose the DUP are willing to actual defend their position, instead of throwing in red herrings?

  • Valenciano

    “Not sure how Bob McCartney’s sees activities helping Unionism, from where I see it he will be making sure Sinn Fein become the largest party”

    You need to learn about how STV works.

    “If by some chance he was elected in even two seats only one of his votes should count”

    He’ll have a vote for every seat he represents.

    “I hope he is not right that he can take all the seats should he win them (pigs might fly) and that the Electoral Office will have the clout to stop him.”

    He is right. Why should the electoral office have the clout to deny a democratically elected politican his vote in such improbable circumstances? He’d be assured of my 14th preference in North Belfast if I could still vote there!

  • observer

    “Not sure how Bob McCartney’s sees activities helping Unionism, from where I see it he will be making sure Sinn Fein become the largest party”

    You need to learn about how STV works.

    Valenciano if people put BOB 1 and vote no further then his vote is ended and wasted.

  • Aaron McDaid

    Valenciano,
    I don’t think it’s true that he’ll have multiple votes in the Assembly if he wins multiple seats. Given the strange and surprising rules that are in place for every other aspect of the Assembly, you shouldn’t believe anything either way unless you see it written into legislation somewhere.

    Has anybody got something authoritative on what is the situation is Bob wins multiple seats and doesn’t resign any of them?

    But even if he is only allowed one vote, imagine the uproar on a close vote in the Assembly. Bob could right argue that constituents in 6 constituencies are being disenfranchised. The DUP would feel political pressure to get a larger majority to negate this argument.

    Also, if Bob thought he had two quotas in one constituency does that mean he could put his name on the ballot twice and get two votes from one constituency?! We can be pretty sure this isn’t allowed, but it’s funny to think about it.

  • bruce

    Go down to Barney’s and make some money. Bob will not win any seats. If Eastwoods would offer odds I would also bet on at least two lost deposits.

  • Intelligence Insider

    Bob may well have an incredibly large ego, I also think he will be doing extremely well to hold on to North Down never mind be elected in more than one constituency, BUT he is right regarding how electoral law stands at present in respect of NIA elections. If he was to be elected in all six constituencies in which he is standing he will have six seats and therefore six votes. Despite his many bad points Bob McCartney is no fool and although I disagree entirely with his political thinking post-1995 I admire his intellect and knowledge of the law.

  • Valenciano

    Observer, correct. But past form shows that Bob’s supporters *do* transfer. Over 98% of them in 1998 for example. It’s not unreasonable to assume that many of those who turnout and plump for Macca would have stayed at home and wouldn’t have voted for other Unionist candidates anyway.

    Aaron, you’re right that I’m not sure but I’ve assumed that an assembly which gives ghost members a vote must surely allow live members to vote multiple times too or is that being too logical? It’s all purely academic but love him or loathe him he has brought a bit of amusement value to an otherwise tedious show. What are the odds on which BobMcCartney will be eliminated first?

  • páid

    “……. Six Bob McCartneys. There’s only six Bob McCartneys……”

  • observer

    valenciano, last time bob and the DUP were both on the anti side, now bob is alnoe.
    Will his supporters , who are so oppossed now the the dup, feel they can transfer to them?

  • darth rumsfeld

    sadly, yes, I will probably give some of the DUP transfers, though on the sensible basis that one should always vote for the most hardline Unionist when exercising the franchise.But only probably.

    In North Antrim this means voting superhero Cubitt 1, Storey 2,probably thon wumman whose name I can’t remember 3. Junior, would be next but I really would be struggling to give him a vote. You could argue that we should vote through the ticket, and help fellow Unionists like Bob zzzzzzzzzz Coulter, or the other UUP bloke with the bogbrush haircut. Nah, sez I.There are too few defeatists with ability in either party who merit a political career- only Reg in the UUP, and Doods and Punt in the DUP.They might deserve a preference if your analysis is that we need to engage in reconstruction as a defeated philosophy, and I’m not there yet.

    “Keep themmuns out” has been a mantra for every election. But this time I don’t care if the Shinners get in, or Alliance. or whoever. If the task in hand is to make it as hard as possible for what’s left of Paisley’s brain to sell out then the size of the external opposition is less important than the kick up the Reverend gentleman’s arse from his own base.

    And the abstentionist route won’t do that, because it will inflate the UUP share of the vote- ***** BTW Mick whatever possessed you to take filthy lucre form the UUP to put their strap on this site???*****- giving our Maharajah Ruler false hope that it’s ok to keep on the same old path to nowhere

    What will penetrate the dinosaur’s skull is the sight of Bob McCartney and five life size cutouts of himself gibbering in the Stormont chamber (unlikely)or a significant UKUP vote generally ( unlikely), combined with more Tweeds and Cubitts resigning.

    Oh, and before we get the ooh so scary stories about increased joint authority, I say come and have a go if you think you’re hard enough.

    If Gordon Brown really wants to sit down at his first cabinet meeting with item 1 on the agenda the riots of the disgusting Ulster prods on the Newtownards Road protesting about Dermot Ahern or whoever being given a key to the viceregal bog at Hillsborough, then he’s a much stupider politician than the evidence to date has shown. Virtually no soldiers left to aid a useless police force- who’s gonna put manners on the lumpenprods? Sure the RA don’t have any hardware-do they?

  • I Wonder

    Bruce
    Are Eastwoods actually offering odds on him losing in all 6 constiturencies? Ive a £20 going spare.

  • T.Ruth

    Just contemplate the salary and expenses if his accumulator comes up. He also used to complain about family dynasties in politics -but this takes the biscuit.Thankfully its not likely to become a common phenomenon(as Ivan Little would say)as we don’t have too many people with that kind of ego.My own feeling is he might get more votes if he stood in the Shankill than he will get in North Down.What does a meal for four with wine and liquers cost in the Culloden?Do any of our bloggers know.This is not to play the man but is just to establish that those in enormously privileged positions should not treat the democratic system with such contempt-its at the opposite end of the continuum of one person voting six times for the same candidate.
    T.Ruth

  • Valenciano

    “valenciano, last time bob and the DUP were both on the anti side, now bob is alnoe.
    Will his supporters , who are so oppossed now the the dup, feel they can transfer to them?”

    Okay so in the context of him supposedly splitting the Unionist vote let’s get this straight. You’re saying that his supporters – who you allege won’t give a *second* preference to Unionist candidates if he stands, *would* give a FIRST (!) preference to Unionist candidates if he didn’t stand? Huh?!

    Not exactly a logical argument if you think about it is it?

  • jeep55

    Bruce

    Eastwoods were offering 5/4 on him taking no seats. Mind you they have just pushed him out to 4/6 (from 1/2) in North Down and slashed Brian Wilson from 4/1 to 2/1.

  • Ian

    “My own feeling is he might get more votes if he stood in the Shankill than he will get in North Down.”

    I’ve raised this point before but it needs to be put to Bob McCartney – whay did he not stand in West (and indeed East) Belfast as well?

    He goes on about being Shankill born and bred, but anti-Agreement Unionists on the Shankill do not have a candidate to vote for who represents their views! So the logic of his standing six times doesn’t make sense because he’s fallen short by two constituencies.