Movement on Garvaghey Road imminent

According to today’s Irish News there could be movement (subs needed) in train shortly on the Garvaghey Road/Drumcree stand off (now ten years old):

A spokesman from the Portadown district lodge told The Irish News the order was willing to meet the residents’ group under an independent chair as part of a mediation process. The development marks a major U-turn in the Orange Order’s central policy of refusing to talk to residents’ groups. “Portadown district has always been willing to find a solution to the Garvaghy Road problem,” the spokesman said. “We have intimated by letter to the Parades Commission that we are willing to enter a mediation process with an independent chairman. No meetings have taken place but we are awaiting developments.”

Garvaghy Road Residents’ spokesman Breandan Mac Cionnaith says the residents have not heard directly from the Orange as yet.

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  • Yokel

    Oh ffs, would you just leave it alone…

  • kirsty

    Let the Orangemen walk!

  • joeCanuck

    You’re funny Mick with that banner headline.

  • Dr Strangelove

    Let the Orangemen walk! – Kirsty

    Indeed, back the way they came.

  • kirsty

    “Let the Orangemen walk! – Kirsty

    Indeed, back the way they came. ”

    Now, now Doctor I think that’s a wee bit bigoted of you.

    Would you direct the same comment towards immigrants?

    Accomodation, not segregation!

  • Submariner

    Would you direct the same comment towards immigrants?

    Then again you are unlikely to be called a Fenian Bastard by an immigrants nor are immigrants likely to be members of loyalist terrorist groups which is more than can be said for some OO members.

  • Billy

    Kirsty

    I hope an accomodation can be reached and the Orangemen can walk. However, they must show respect for the residents first.

    Times have changed and Orangemen cannot just walk through Catholic neighbourhoods at will flaunting banners and/or bands commemorating “loyalist” terrorists.

    The so-called “principled stance” of the Orange Order that it won’t talk to residents groups with convicted Republican terrorists in them is all very well. Until, that is, you realise that the Orange Order has convicted “loyalist” terrorists in it’s ranks. It has NOT taken any measures to expel them nor has it put any measures in place to prevent any more of these people joining.

    The UK govt are not stupid and are no longer going to bow down to the playing of the “Orange card” – again, it’s funny how the “law abiding” Orange Order not only fails to condemn but openly condones violence by it’s supporters when it doesn’t get it’s own way.

    Sorry – did I say funny, I meant blatently hypocritical.

    As usual it seems to have taken the pathetic “leadership” of the Orange Order more than a decade to realise this.

    However, I hope that they have now done so. The Orange Order needs to clean up it’s act and ensure that NO banners or bands supporting “loyalist” terrorism are involved.

    It needs to show that clear and public punishment procedures are in place for any lodge or member that breaks these rules.

    If it does this, then I see no reason why accomodations with residents groups cannot be reached through face to face discussion.

    The vast majority of Catholics have no problem with Orange parades – it is being treated like second class citizens and having “loyalist” terrorists being idolised in our faces that we won’t accept.

    I don’t know how much substance there is in this story. However, if the Orange Order leadership are finally realising that they need to tackle their own problems (rather than laughably sitting on a hill in Drumcree for years on end), then it can only be a good sign.

  • The Devil

    Anyone should be allowed to walk anywhere they want.

    But the golden rule should be there should be no Police presence to protect them….

    Therefore no balls no walk

    *** the simple answer ***

  • Henry94

    It’s easy to be cynical but if the Orange are willing to meet the residents then that is a very important step.

  • The Pedant

    Kirsty:

    “Accomodation, not segregation!”

    Accommodation, not accomodation. It is my understanding that the Orangemen have consistently segregated themselves, i.e. by refusing to talk to their fellow townspeople.

  • slug

    It would be nice if the antagonists could all move forward and take a fresh attitude towards one another.

    It feels like the hostility is lifting, as everyone in NI moves on & loosens up.

  • heck

    I think I detect an orwellian use of language here, were the word settlement has a different meaning that what is commonly understood.

    I can only see two outcomes

    1 OO walk the road

    2 00 don’t walk the road

    why is it only a settlement when the OO march through a nationalist neighbourhood? Why not a settlement where they pick a different route.

  • Kathy_C

    posted by Kathy C

    Hi all, the orange order is a hate group that wants to march as superior beings down the street in a neighbor hood of people they consider lesser human beings…sorta simliliar to how the nazi’s felt about the Jews and how the kkk feel about blacks…jews..and yes, Catholics….so to let the orange order march…is to let the kkk march

  • Dr Strangelove

    They have been up on that hill now for so long it has become traditional for them to be there. Surely leaving the hill and marching down the road would be breaking that tradition ?

    Let’s hope it is a cold winter.

  • Secur O’Crat

    Why not tax the Anglican church that hosts them. Anyway, the GRA should not be speaking to terrorists. Of coruse, some of the stalwarts are no longer around. Johnny Adair and Liam Wright come to mind.

  • greg

    “It is my understanding that the Orangemen have consistently segregated themselves, i.e. by refusing to talk to their fellow townspeople”

    Is it not the so-called residents’ groups who are guilty of segregation by excluding Orangemen from access to part of their own town?

  • Dr Strangelove

    “Is it not the so-called residents’ groups who are guilty of segregation by excluding Orangemen from access to part of their own town?” – Greg

    Surely it was the Parades Commission which placed the restrictions on the Orangemen and not the local residents.

  • DK

    “I can only see two outcomes
    1 OO walk the road
    2 00 don’t walk the road ” Heck.

    Lots of combinations in how they walk the road (with/without music, limitations on numbers, furled banners etc.) and even possible diversions in place as a compromise. Lots of fun in the negotiation and as usual the Parades Commission will lean towards whoever shows most flexibility (that lesson sinking in with the OO at last).

  • heck

    dk

    It still comes down to two possible outcomes.
    1 OO walk the road “with lots of combinations”

    2 OO don’t walk the road “with lots of combinations” different route/rally at church/etc

    why is 1 always presented as the solution? why is it only a compromise when 1 happens?

    I still think there is an orwell like use of language here. 2 is also “a solution” or ” a compromise”

  • hmmm

    davey hyland is gone from sf as of now

  • good rev. harold

    hmm.

    has he actually resigned??