Why nationalists should enjoy British discomforture…

There may well be a story in the unpublished Barron Report, but it is one that, for reasons best known to itself, the Irish Government is reluctant to make public. Instead, we have had a drip feed of committee and sub committee reports hinting at what it might have said, or what it could hint at. As Brian Feeney says in his column yesterday, “another report to the Oireachtas was as much use as emptying a bucket of water into Lough Neagh”. His advice to disgruntled Nationalists? Sit back and enjoy the schadenfreude, the road ahead is blocked.

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  • Quaysider

    There is a depressingly tribal and childish conclusion to this article. Surely the subject is too serious to make a glib analogy with Russian treatment of Britain then say “slap it up them”.

  • lib2016

    Too simple an interpretation altogether though I do agree that there’s a remarkable symmetry. The ‘Russian Murder Plot’ gets discovered just at the time when NATO is in freefall after the disasterous meeting in Latvia, just as the allegations of British collusion are revived when the role of MI5 is introduced to the negotiations here.

    And the Irish mightn’t be just as helpless as Feeney suggests. The British are isolated as never before and they really can’t want further allegations of being involved in a thirty year anti-Catholic war to surface at the moment, either in Brussels or Washington.

    We see regular evidence of how eager the Conservatives are to disassociate themselves from the unionist parties and any suggestion of playing the Orange card. The same applies doubly to Labour who rely completely on the Catholic vote in Scotland.

  • confused

    Conclusions of the Barron report should be taken with a pinch of salt.I am surprised a journalist such as Brian Feeny does not question the findings particularly as there is such an absence of evidence. No information was given by HMG or loyalist paramilitaries so accusations against them can not be tested. Until there is a full and properly constituted enquiry people should withhod judgement. This enquiry was as defective as Widgery for similar reasons—— to protect the State.

  • heck

    Feeney is spot on.

    The British government murders people and there should be no support for the PSNI/UVF until they have demonstrated that they can enforce “the law” with regard to agents of the state.

    Now just wait. On this site any fenian reacting to faux unionist outrage about some republican malfeasance by pointing out the hypocrisy is accused of “whataboutery”. It won’t be long before someone accuses the Irish government/rebublican movement of some alleged collusion. Before you do -it is not in the same league.

    Also remember that on this site there were hundreds and hundreds of postings about someone getting killed in a drunken bar fight involving alleged IRA members. Here are serious allegations concerning the involvement of the state in scores of murders and there is minimal reaction. Paradon me of I don’t take unionist/ british/media outrage at republican violence too seriously

  • Yokel

    Yeah watch the British shift in their seat..you’ll be waiting because they won’t.

    They can ignore the Irish government if they want and most likely will when it suits. For example just what was Berytie doing at St Andrews? Serving tea?

  • Quaysider

    “someone getting killed in a drunken bar fight involving alleged IRA members”

    Christ. How’s that for whataboutery?

  • Kloot

    For example just what was Berytie doing at St Andrews? Serving tea?

    I thought he was the one with the cheque book out 🙂

  • Kloot

    I can hardly see the british government shaking in it boots over this report or any other Oireachtas report.

    The reason why the Irish government is being so quiet is because it realises that it too played a part in any cover up that took place. Whats the point now pointing fingers at British intelligence for events that took place years ago, why werent these events properly investigated by the Irish security forces at the time and dealt with then.

    Its best that things are just left in the past at this stage. Yes that may be painful for those who suffered from these events but not much is going to be gained by dragging them up now.

  • Yokel

    7. Aye Kloot, more fool him!

  • lib2016

    Kloot,

    You think that a long history of such behaviour won’t affect the issue when it comes to making allegations about current and future behaviour by British Intelligence?

    There is a great deal to be gained by keeping a very close eye on what the British ‘dirty tricks’ brigade are up to. Not least in understanding where some of the posts on this site originate! 😉

  • Greenflag

    Confused ,

    ‘Until there is a full and properly constituted enquiry people should withhold judgement.

    Maybe they should but then many people will look at the British Government’s role and performance in Ireland 1800 to the present and will not see any of the conclusions in the Barron Report as ‘unsurprising’ 🙁

    Feeney however goes too far when he suggests that Nationalists should sit back and watch the British ‘squirm’ when it comes to dealing with the Russians . Nationalists should instead pursue a more positive role by turning away from the political farce of a ‘restored’ failed Assembly with it’s convoluted and powerless functions and instead push for an agreed and fair Repartition of Northern Ireland administwered by a neutral international agency under the auspices of the UN.

    Yokel,

    ‘They can ignore the Irish government if they want and most likely will when it suits. ‘

    As they ignored the Irish people (and worse) for long enough throughout the history of the past 400 years it should come as no surprise that they would continue the practice by ignoring Irish Governments when it becomes ‘necessary’to save political face. Call it realpolitik or hypocrisy if you’d rather but the effect is the same . It’s not personal even if that’s what Feeney ‘assumes’. It’s the way of the world and it’s not just the British Government that ‘indulges’ in the great game .

  • Churchill

    Instead of offering anything constructive, bigoted bri as usual, can only gloat through the green tinted glasses of planet nationalist. He obviously agrees with the old “oirish” adage – “England’s difficulty is Oireland’s opportunity”

  • lib2016

    “England’s difficulty is Ireland’s opportunity”

    We know that. Now why can’t you be constructive and help us decide the purpose for which we should use the opportunity? 😉

  • elvis parker

    ‘British discomforture’
    LOL
    Do you honestly think they give a damn

  • George

    Elvis,
    Feeney is talking about the Russians, and yes I do think the British will give a damn if the Russians treat them with contempt.

    Don’t understand for the life of me why nationalists should garner any pleasure out of it though.

  • Ziznivy

    If anything untoward has happened in the Litvenenko affair it is a case of the Russian government using extra-judicial methods to bump off a very dubious individual. Give or take a few incidents where members of the UDR also happened to be in paramilitaries (negligence from the British Government, but hardly murderous intent), they did the same. Not particularly seemly, but to the greater good.

  • lib2016

    Ziznivy,

    The British Government measures it’s victims by the million, as do the Russians. Even in our own case in NI the British authorities have been much more successful than you suggest, but then they’ve had the practice.

    The difficulty for the Brits is that they have been generous enough to bestow the favour of their methods of ‘good government’ right around the world, consequently nasty rough people who try to point out the truth find that they are pushing at an open door.

    This cobblers is intended for domestic British consumption. Have to justify all that money going for the Trident replacement and all those body bags coming back from Afghanistan, don’t you know. Else the poor English taxpayer might ask where all his money is going.

  • Bugbear

    If we were further down our ‘peace process’ road than we are at present, would the report be published?

  • Dympna

    I’m with “confused”.
    I have skimmed through all its 96 pages and it is big on allegations and hearsay. It is also tedious. Evidence anyone?

    If this is the standard we can expect from the spate of NI inquiries then we may as well stop now and spend the money elsewhere.

    Dympna

  • Dympna,

    Did you look at the interim or the final report? The report by Judge Barron will be in the former.

  • Ziznivy

    “The British Government measures it’s victims by the million, as do the Russians. Even in our own case in NI the British authorities have been much more successful than you suggest, but then they’ve had the practice.

    The difficulty for the Brits is that they have been generous enough to bestow the favour of their methods of ‘good government’ right around the world, consequently nasty rough people who try to point out the truth find that they are pushing at an open door.”

    Utter nonsense. Britain showed the utmost restraint in Northern Ireland. Proof is provided just by looking at the Russians. A terrorist campaign within one of the UK’s regions didn’t see the strongholds of that campaign being flattened by airstrikes, as satisfying as South Armagh being blanket bombed would have been.

    Of course what is known as collusion on the loyalist side is British espionage and double-agents when the same thing happened on the Republican side.

    As for the British Empire, whilst it wasn’t faultlessly run and abuses did take place, it has also been responsible for a great deal of good and at least had some beneficient impulse, unlike the vast majority of empires. It says a great deal that Britain maintains a Commonwealth, all be it largely a symbolic body.

  • eoghan

    ‘….didn’t see the strongholds of that campaign being flattened by airstrikes, as satisfying as South Armagh being blanket bombed would have been. ‘

    nice to see that you condone mass murder of innocent civilians-what a fine and upstanding democrat you are, Ziz-speaks volumes really….

  • BeardyBoy

    Must admit – I do love it when the Brits get treated badly – who cares if it is childish and tribal – just savour the moment

  • Ellesmere Dragge

    Yeah, an’ all that.

    But it really is time you chaps got with the real game-plan. We need a concerted effort to use the opportunity to de-cupboard a few skeletons. For all the faults of the Blair administration, it has been receptive to a few good kickings — more so than its predecessors or any likely successor.

    Here’s someone [http://redfellow.blogspot.com/2006/12/blood-on-whose-hands-malcolm-sees-that.html]
    beginning to ask the right questions: why are you mouthy wankers not following up?

  • Ziznivy

    “nice to see that you condone mass murder of innocent civilians-what a fine and upstanding democrat you are, Ziz-speaks volumes really….”

    I can hardly condone an event that didn’t occur due to the restraint of the British Government. It was democrats that were being harboured and assisted in the areas that could have been bombed in any case. My point was that if you want to see a government take off the gloves against a terrorist campaign, Russia in Chechnya is a fine example.

  • Ziznivy

    Was should have read wasn’t clearly

  • darth rumsfeld

    “It won’t be long before someone accuses the Irish government/rebublican movement of some alleged collusion. Before you do -it is not in the same league.”

    Hmmm- so a conspiracy to arm the IRA, and training IRA men at Dunree in 1970 was just a minor aberration then.

  • brendan

    I fully agree with the posting by “confused” @ 12:52PM. BF didn’t take his green tinted glasses off, again!

  • BeardyBoy

    Bugger all will get decupboarded – the Brits will obfuscate, the Republic will kow tow (as I am sure that the administrations that followed – especially Fine Gael – worked hand in glove with the British forces against the perceived common enemy – who could trust the snake Conor Cruise O’Brien?)as they do not want all the truth out either

    The only satisfaction is watch them squirm and spin