Stop Sectarianism, Find God, And Find Peace

A sad but touching little video.

“I pray almighty God that our country, our little province of this country, will come to a place of peace. I don’t want to visit any more homes of bereavement. I don’t want to take little orphans on my knee and look at them and say they will never see their mother or father again.” Ian Paisley Oct 2006

  • A pity the reverened gentleman did not say that 3,000 lifetimes ago when he kickstarted the whole thing.

  • A wee reality check like this does no-one any harm.

  • youtube

    Do you not find these photo slide, badly done, MSMedia edited, YouTube ‘videos’, terribly tedious and old hat?

    Terrible. Even worse that people think this could be poignant.

  • morality

    ^^^^ There’s a barrel of humanity if I’ve ever seen one.

  • The producer is a kid, probably into theyouth wing of the DUP/FPC. Taking that into acount, it is probably a fair effort of a “born again” child.

  • Slugger O’Toole Admin

    I’ve no idea who did this video, and I’m not sure Aughavey has either. However that seems not to have stopped people deciding exactly who was behind it, and attacking accordingly.

    That, guys, is called ‘playing the man’!!

    I’ve taken out youtube’s second comment, since it was simply a repetition of his/her gratuitous first time round. I’ve take out another reference in the first. The rest, I’ll let stand, since it says more about the commenters than the content above.

  • Bemus e d

    Is this serious???? I don’t know which is worse – the risible, didactic ‘film’ or the hilariously mawkish witterings of Cara Dillon (I assume it’s her). I sincerely hope that this was the ‘creation’ of someone under the age of ten – otherwise, there really is no hope for us.

  • Butterknife

    Doesn’t matter who made the short, it is true nonetheless. I have no time for man made religion but I would think a true Christian, Jew, or Muslim would treat their brother or sister better. After all in faith we are all descendants of Abraham. Or maybe it is just a load of lies.

  • “‘I pray almighty God … … will never see their mother or father again.’ Ian Paisley Oct 2006”

    Aye, fine words Mr.Paisley, after decades of stirring up hatred.

    Nice song anyway, good message.

  • Miss Fitz

    The song is by Tommy Sands, by the way, and recalls an event many years ago on the Ryan Road where he lived with his family. The guy who was murdered in the revenge killing was his next door neighbour. This version is sung by Cara Dillon, who does a good rendition.

  • If you check Google, you will see the people who put up the video are into Christain things. They could be into worse.

  • Greenflag

    If you always do what you always did , you’ll always get what you always got .

    These were 2 deaths in almost 4,000 .

    Never mind the words just watch what people do . The lesson from Northern Ireland is that people prefer ‘sectarianism’. It’s what they were reared to , what they believe and what they are used to .

    It’s part of what being Northern Ireland is all about . The very State itself is based on a sectarian head count .

    So keep doing what you always did and you”ll always get what goes with it .

    In the meantine Mr Hain needs to close down that Assembly – not on Nov 24th but make the closing retrospective from April 1st in ‘honour’ of the fools who are just doing what they have always done and are getting even better at doing it !

  • Byzant

    “A pity the reverened gentleman did not say that 3,000 lifetimes ago when he kickstarted the whole thing.”

    I think you’ll find it was those who seeked conquest over Northern Ireland against the wishes of the majority of it’s people using violent blackmail that were the root cause of the whole thing. This is shown by the fact that it was them who the two governments negotiated with in order to bring peace, and when they did stop then essentially so did the other side, as the two governments no doubt predicted they would.

  • Byzant
    “I think you’ll find it was those who seeked conquest over Northern Ireland against the wishes of the majority of it’s people using violent blackmail that were the root cause of the whole thing.”

    rewriting history?

  • Thrasymachus

    In what way is he maca?

    The entire IRA campaign was about murdering and maiming people until the democratic wishes of people in Northern Ireland were ignored and they were forced into a united Ireland.

    Rewriting history would be arguing the IRA murdered and maimed people until Martin McGuinness could be Ian Paisley’s deputy.

  • Greenflag

    Paisley and the IRA represent/represented two sides of an irreconcilable divide between those who believe in a Northern Ireland as part of the UK with Queen as sovereign and those who believe in a United Ireland .

    An agreed and fair repartition will allow both sides to ‘win ‘ a little and ‘lose’ a little .

    What the ‘Union’ put together in Northern Ireland now needs putting apart.

    Why would we Irish want 850,000 alienated British Unionists in our democracy ? Just because 200 years ago a few republicans thought so is no longer good enough . Why would the British Unionists in Northern Ireland want to maintain a 6 county State within which a 47% Irish Nationalist minority would prefer to see that State cease to exist ?

    Pull the plug – and be done with it ! Roll on re-districting and repartition . Enough shite.

  • Thrasymachus
    What was at the root of the IRA’s campaign. Did they just do it for fun or was there a root cause?

  • circles

    If John Hume and Gerry Adam had not started the peace process – eventually obliging the governments to get on board or miss the train, and finally, many years later, forcing a kicking and screaming DUP to at least take notice (doing their best to poke a stick in the spokes), the Good Rev would never have been able to utter those poignant words.
    I wonder if he ever came across the word hypocrite in his long career?

  • Thrasymachus

    “What was at the root of the IRA’s campaign. Did they just do it for fun or was there a root cause?”

    The root, as the IRA itself claimed, was a belief partition was unjust and that Ireland should be united irrespective of what people in Northern Ireland thought.

  • Thrasymachus
    There’s a heck of lot more to it than that. What lead to the formation of the IRA? What lead to the civil rights movement? Why was there even a need for such a movement. It didn’t start with the IRA, they are not the root of the whole thing, you have to look further back.

  • Thrasymachus

    Maca, you are the one who is rewriting history if you think IRA terrorism was for “civil rights” and not a united Ireland.

    The fact they had no respect for the right to life or the right of a people to choose how they are governed shows their concern for “civil rights” to be utter crap.

  • Greenflag

    ‘The root, as the IRA itself claimed, was a belief partition was unjust ‘

    The IRA got that right . That particular ‘botched ‘ partition anyway .

    Let’s hope the next ‘partition’ is drawn by a neutral international body.

    ‘Ireland should be united irrespective of what people in Northern Ireland thought.’

    The IRA got that part wrong . Their violent campaign just re affrimed their strategic error.

    Roll on repartition and be done with the failed 6 county political non entity !

  • willis

    I’m sure this was well meant but the fact that the author/director chose to us the pictures of two murdered catholic teenagers (presumably without permission) to illustrate the 50-50 nature of the conflict boggles the mind.

  • change the record

    How many times does this repartition crap have to be brought up? Please change the record, I know you think ROI/Irleand would be much better off without the prods/unionists, but does it have to be brought up all the feckin time?

    ZZZZZ

  • Thrasymachus
    “you are the one who is rewriting history if you think IRA terrorism was for “civil rights” and not a united Ireland.”

    Where did I say I thought IRA terrorism was for civil rights?? Please quote where I said that in full with the time stamp please!!

    My point about the civil rights movement was simple. It was to get you thinking about the roots of the problem, pre-IRA, pre-civil rights movement.

  • Paisley, who thanked God he was a menace to Popery and whose closes aids planted the first bombs, was in it at the start, A Truth Commission and one way tickets to the Hague are needed. If the Troubles were a war, and if there are war criminals, off to the Hague with them.

  • circles

    maca – problem? what problem?…. OHHHHH, you’re referring to the croppies again I see.

    Some people never got their clocks passed 1965 maca. Convinced that Paisey is the bringer of peace, ignoring what actually happened, they live a life of blissl ignorance…..

  • Greenflag

    ‘How many times does this repartition crap have to be brought up? Please change the record, ‘

    How many times does this power sharing /devolution debacle have to be brought up ? Please change the record ,

    ‘I know you think ROI/Ireland would be much better off without the prods/unionists, ‘

    That’s not what I think . Ireland /ROI needs it’s protestants -the more the merrier . It does not need Unionists . So a ‘political ‘ entity has to be found for the latter on the island of Ireland which is their home -thus a fair repartition of NI.

    ‘but does it have to be brought up all the feckin time? ‘

    It’s not brought up all the time . Would that it were . It’s certainly a more democratic solution than the present planned idiocy of having a ‘forced power sharing devolved coalition of DUP/SF with Ayatollah Paisley as First Cleric and McGuinness as his Republican Unionist Deputy Minister .

  • Thrasymachus

    “Paisley, who thanked God he was a menace to Popery and whose closes aids planted the first bombs, was in it at the start”

    Well gee, and I’ve heard people compare Paisleyites to luddites but they were 30 years ahead of Dolly the sheep!

    “If the Troubles were a war, and if there are war criminals, off to the Hague with them.”

    Well that’s Gerry and Martin and Pat and Gerry again sorted but I’m afraid calling the Pope nasty names isn’t a war crime :o)

  • Thrasymachus

    “Where did I say I thought IRA terrorism was for civil rights?? Please quote where I said that in full with the time stamp please!!”

    Well presumably if it’s root were about civil rights and not a united Ireland then that is what you basically arguing.

    Unless of course this is just a misunderstanding and you agree with me that the root cause of the troubles was a bigoted view that the people of Northern Ireland had no right to determine what state they lived in?

  • Thrasymachus

    BTW George sorry for the mistaking your post, I thought that you meant his clones planted the first bombs.

    Now who were these aides and how close were they to Paisley? What evidence exists Paisley had any knowledge of their activities or approved of what they were doing?

  • Thrasymachus
    “Well presumably if it’s root were about civil rights…”

    Eh, no, that’s not what i’m arguing at all.

    “the root cause of the troubles was a ####### view that the people of Northern Ireland had no right to determine what state they lived in?”

    Some might argue that was the case, but i’d say some would disagree on who the bigotted are.
    And actually no I don’t agree, this is the re-writing of history I highlighted earlier.

  • Greenflag

    Here are some of the more ‘liberal ‘ words of the prospective First Cleric of Northern Ireland .

    ‘Victory for our enemies would put us under the jackboot of priestly tyranny . To submit to Rome and Dublin would be worse than death . Better therefore to die fighting our enemies and battling for freedom than to live under a system which is in itslef a living death ‘

    ‘If the Crown in Parliament decreed to put Ulster (NI) into a United Ireland we would be disloyal to Her Majesty if we did not resist such a surrender to our enemies’

    ‘But I am certainly anti English politicians -and no doubt about that . I utterly detest them . Because all we’ve had in Northern Ireland since Direct Rule is a bunch of liars . They won’t tell the truth and they’ve been proved lying over and over again ‘

    ‘I am not a beggar with a begging bowl going to the English politician and asking for a mess of pottage . If anything , the British Government owes to Northern ireland more than we ever owed to them ‘

    ‘I’ve no ambitions as an elected leader of Northern Ireland to talk to the leaders of the South .We’re poles apart . There’s no such thing as reconciliation .When you marry Christ to Beelzebub then we’ll be ready for talks with them .’

    I must have missed the marriage of Christ to Beelzebub and that Paisley -Brady meeting must have been a mirage .

  • “I must have missed the marriage of Christ to Beelzebub”

    You’re kidding! They had a full spread in Hello magazine!

  • Greenflag

    Maca ,

    Missed that in Hello:)

    BTW ,

    Was there any sign of a Paisleyite begging bowl at those St Andrews talks ?

    Seems to me that having dispatched O’Neill , Chichester Clark , Faulkner , Molyneaux and finally Trimble – Paisley has nody left to dispatch except himself .

    He needs to get on with it before J. Allister does it for him . One way or the other ‘Paisleyism’ will continue even without Paisley . The fundamental paranoia of it’s followers will ensure that.

  • Ghost of PDN Past

    And so on, and so on………………

  • Post 6:”BTW George sorry for the mistaking your post, I thought that you meant his clones planted the first bombs. Now who were these aides and how close were they to Paisley? What evidence exists Paisley had any knowledge of their activities or approved of what they were doing”

    In 1969, a series of bombings were freely but falsely attributed to the IRA. Sammy Stevenson, Paisley’s personal bodyguard, later admitted that he and Tommy McDowell, another Free Presbyterian man of god, set off the bombs in Protestant districts in order to goad Protestants into burning out their Catholic neighbors in retaliation.
    He has been Ulster’s longest-lasting untouchable. Freddie Parkinson, a convicted UDA terrorist leader, stated in 1984, that Paisley was “a tarantula who spreads the venom of further conflict and has been a major contributor to our prolonged tragedy.” UVF godfather Gusty Spence, whose 1966 sectarian killings of Catholic barmen helped to spark the Troubles, attributed his murderous actions to Paisley’s fiery words. Both Billy and Gusty Spence, as well as UDA leaders Ken Gibson, Tommy Heron and Davey Payne served as organizers at Paisley’s rallies. John McKeague, another Paisley stalwart, founded the Red Hand Commandos, another pro British death squad. Ulster Volunteer Force death squad leader Billy Mitchel was a Sunday school teacher for the Free Presbyterian Church when not otherwise engaged in spray-jobbing Catholics. There has, in other words, been a very clear link between Paisley’s overt forces and the instigators and perpetrators of supremacist violence from the very earliest days of the Troubles.

    Cry murder, my child Patrick’s dead
    In Belfast 69.

    Off to the Hague with them.