War or Peace, by other means?

With the challenge to less inward looking here on Slugger, raised by one of our occasional commenters Mick de Dublin Anarchist, in mind, here are some thoughts on the practical parallels between Northern Ireland and the Middle East over at the Guardian.

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  • DK

    I noticed that the militants in Gaza have unilaterally declared a ceasefire. Does this mean that the Israeli strategy of incursions works?

  • seabhac siulach

    DK:
    “I noticed that the militants in Gaza have unilaterally declared a ceasefire. Does this mean that the Israeli strategy of incursions works?”

    They plunder, they slaughter, and they steal: this they falsely name Empire,

    …and where they make a wasteland, they call it peace

    Tacitus

  • Harry

    120 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza over the past 2 weeks. I suspect that the attack by Israel on Lebanon is the opening shot in a war intended to drag in Syria and Iran. This is a pre-planned operation which has been waiting for some time to be unleashed and has been planned in advance with the aid of USA and Britain.

    The yanks have big plans for the middle east and we are now seeing how they intend to go about securing those aims. All talk about a multi-national force is so much flanneling. If there is any calming in the situation over the next couple of months it will merely be the prelude to an attack on Syria by Israel and the United States.

  • Keith M

    Harry “I suspect that the attack by Israel on Lebanon is the opening shot in a war intended to drag in Syria and Iran. This is a pre-planned operation which has been waiting for some time to be unleashed and has been planned in advance with the aid of USA and Britain.”

    What utter nonsense, this period of trouble started by attacks by Hamas from Gaza and Hizbollah from Lebannon. Several Israeli soliders were killed and three others are still in enemy hands.

    “If there is any calming in the situation over the next couple of months it will merely be the prelude to an attack on Syria by Israel and the United States.”

    The sonner the better as far as I’m concerned. The governmenyts who orchestrae and fund these attacks must be removed.

  • micktvd

    I think the Saudis have a cunning plan (apologies to Baldrick) it’s basically been the international consensus since the 1980s, with the exception of the real extremists, which includes the US and Israel. Israel obeys the umpteen UN resolutions to return the land conquered in 1967, including East Jerusalem.The vast bulk of the Arab world recognises the right of Israel to exist behind these borders. Prisoners are returned. A Compensation fund for the 1948 refugees is administered by the UN.Voila! Better than Armageddon.

    Now, work out why this isn’t going to happen.

  • micktvd

    by the way, how does a Jewish state differ from an Islamic state?

  • Dread Cthulhu

    micktvd: “by the way, how does a Jewish state differ from an Islamic state? ”

    Democratic elections, full citizenship for Muslims, lower corruption, a decided lack of sharia law, full rights for female citizens, high technology industries, a history of winning wars started by other people…

  • micheal

    The kernel of the problem in the ME is the refusal of the state of Israel to deal with the issue of the Palestinian Diaspora and their ‘right to return’ enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948).
    Dread – Democratic elections are easy to win when 5 million Palestinians are denied access to their own land. It is also easy to win wars when you are the recipient of billions of dollars a year in military and economic aid and your enemies are starving.

  • DK

    “The kernel of the problem in the ME is the refusal of the state of Israel…”

    i.e. it’s all Israel’s fault. If only they would just dissapear then all would be well. I would go further back and say that the kernel of the problem is the Moslem invasion in the 6th and 7th centuries. Or maybe when God promised the Holy Land to the Jews.

    The essential problem is that the area is considered to be Moslem land, and the presence of a non-Moslem country is an abhorrence. The fact that this non-Moslem country cannot be crushed militarily, despite several attempts, is even worse (and America’s fault for keeping them supplied). The only solution is to build a big wall, which Israel has started. But rockets can still be fired over the wall, so what can be done to stop that. Again, Israel’s answer is straightforward – invade, kill, massacre. Not nice, but seems to work.

    Long term solution is Israel as a gated community, with the rocket launchers (including the eventual nuclear Iran) intimidated by fear of reprisal. This is a solution applied by Israel alone. The alternative Hammas/Hizbollah solution involves the death/expulsion of millions. Until this project is complete, expect a lot more dead Moslems and some dead Jews too.