Three Orange Halls attacked

Three Orange Halls in south Londonderry have been vandalised, two with paint, the third had its windows smashed.This continues a pattern of attacks on Orange Halls in the area over past months. The INLA had claimed a ‘rogue’ unit of theirs had been responsible for the previous attacks. They asserted that the founder and leader of that unit had confessed to being a police agent and had been acting on his handler’s instructions. The continuance of the attacks will place a question mark over that scenario.

  • loftholdingswood

    Mutual respect and tolerance. Aye right.

  • Some of these Orange Halls are so isolated even Grannys Against Loyalism on wheelchairs could it.

    The INLA had claimed a ‘rogue’ unit of theirs had been responsible for the previous attacks. The INLA now sounds like a creation of Enid Blyton alongside the Famous Five etc

  • Henry94

    Whoever is responsible they are morons. I hope they are arrested and convicted.

  • Rory

    “The INLA now sounds like a creation of Enid Blyton alongside the Famous Five etc” – Cybezzzz.

    Maybe that’s an improvement from the days when they seemed like a creation of Sam Peckinpah alongside The Wild Bunch (but without the distorted idealism of that happy band).

  • joeCanuck

    loftholdinswood

    The tone of your comment would seem to imply that this disgusting action would be applauded by the general nationalist/republican community.
    I very much doubt that.

  • Armaghlite

    Speaking as a Nationalist – Whoever did this should be arrested and locked up – they are absolute morons – If you don’t show respect you will not recieve any (I wish all those burning flags tonight could realise that). Burning Orange halls is a stupid, moronic and hate filled thing to do – Idiots.

  • Fenian Bastard

    OO is a daft organisation, attacking their buildings is twice as daft though.

  • ben

    Attacking an Orange lodge just gives the pathetic bigoted weirdoes inside it credibility and attention — the two commodities they crave.

  • darth rumsfeld

    make that FOUR halls FD
    Ballykelly in the North of the county had the grilles ripped off the windows, the windows smashed and the door damaged by a group of five men in broad daylight last week.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Darth Rumsfeld: “Ballykelly in the North of the county had the grilles ripped off the windows, the windows smashed and the door damaged by a group of five men in broad daylight last week. ”

    I know I’m going to regret asking this, but there are police in N.I., yes? And they have cars and radios, so they can be contacted in the field and get to the location of crimes quickly, yes?

    In the answer to the first two are “yes,” what are they getting paid to do?

  • Stephen Copeland

    Dread Cthulhu,

    I am guessing that, this period being what it is, they are pretty much tied up trying to keep the lid on the place.

    Since leave is probably cancelled this week, some of them were probably off last week.

    Now of course, if the OO defused their ‘marching season’, then the police might be free to actually combat crime …

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Stephen Copeland: “I am guessing that, this period being what it is, they are pretty much tied up trying to keep the lid on the place.”

    Sadly, probably.

    Stephen Copeland: “Now of course, if the OO defused their ‘marching season’, then the police might be free to actually combat crime … ”

    To play “devil’s advocate” for the moment, if the Nationalists resisted the OO with satire or farce, as opposed to the customary tactics, the same end could be achieved as well. Then again, even that assumes the police are capable and wiling to do their jobs… perhaps the one common thread in both parties complaints.

  • Stephen Copeland

    … if the Nationalists resisted the OO with satire or farce …

    Even if they did, there are still a thousand roads that need to be closed, so police time is still going to be over-stretched.

  • harpo

    ‘Whoever is responsible they are morons. I hope they are arrested and convicted.’

    Henry:

    Except of course if they turn out to be Provisionals. Then they will have had some really good reason to do it.

    BTW
    If the PSNI turn up in some IR area to arrest the perps, will the locals join you in this wish for them to be dealt with, or will they just have a go at the PSNI on the usual basis?

  • harpo

    ‘Attacking an Orange lodge just gives the pathetic ####### weirdoes inside it credibility and attention—the two commodities they crave.’

    ben:

    Are you saying that the OO will be happy that this happened then?

    And will be grateful to the IRs who did it?

    Couldn’t you just have condemned it, instead of saying that it in some way gives the OO what they want?

  • harpo

    ‘Then again, even that assumes the police are capable and wiling to do their jobs’

    Dread:

    So now it’s the fault of the police for not stopping these IRs from destroying things?

    Like most societies, there is not 1 police oficer for every 10 square feet of a place, so bad people usually can do bad things if they are determined enough. In most places though the police can count on the assistance of the general public, but in NI they can’t do so when it comes to many nationalists. Thus it’s a fair presumption that if a nationalist saw these perps attack an Orange Hall, there is a 50% chance that the nationalist would not report it on the basis that it was done by ‘one of our sort’ and they wouldn’t hand one of their own sort over to the PSNI.

    You can also add in the other nationalists who would have sympathy for the perp as a ‘republican prisoner’ who was framed by the PSNI no matter what the evidence. How many times have we seen that happen – a PIRA bomb goes off, and is condemned by the nice SDLP nationalists, but when volunteer is brought up on charges for the bombing, many nationalists assume he was framed and did nothing. Somehow the outrage at the bomb disappears when it looks like some individual nationalist is going to be jailed for it.

    Is anything ever the responsibility of IRs or does everything have to be turned around so that the OO, unionists, the police or the Brits is to blame for something happening?

  • Prince Eoghan

    Harpo.

    “Couldn’t you just have condemned it, instead of saying that it in some way gives the OO what they want?”

    Irish people see the OO as a supremacist hate organisation, so do most of the outside world.

    Why on God’s green earth would those who are the recipients of this hatred condemn an attack on the OO gang-huts?

    Step away from this little sectarian statelet and see just how bizzare and preposterous your suggestion is Harpo.

  • Dread Chulhu

    Harpo, frothing at me isn’t gone to make the problem go away — take a deep breath… good. Now, let it out.

    My question arose from the daylight nature of the attack. Paint-bombs and bricking windows can be done fast — I suspect pulling the grilles took far longer than throwing a paint bomb or lobbing a brick.

    One of the common complaints on this board — in fact perhaps the one thing that Unionists and Nationalists agree on is that the police are near-useless. Now, this may simply be a lack of will on the part of the NIO or the officers, but both sides agree its a problem… maybe not at the same time, but both sides see it as a problem.

    Frankly, I think N.I. needs a Giuliani — someone willing to wade in and deal with the “quality of life” crimes, take back civic power from the hoods on BOTH sides. ‘Course, that would require leadership, something in short supply in N.I.

  • English

    Orange Halls certainly do not meet fire regulations, most windows are blocked off and have grills on the windows. Many have upstairs fire escapes which are blocked off or concreted over. If it wasn’t for this many Orange Halls wouldn’t be paint attacked but in fact be burned to the ground! I take it this is why they are so heavily fortified, just an observation.