Did the British kill Donaldson?

Danny Morrison blogs on the Guardian, and wonders why few early speculations gave serious credence to the possibility of British involvement in the killing of Donaldson. Given the ambiguity surrounding his death it allows for any of a number of possibilities. Although it pays to be sceptical about all or any conspiracy theories, nothing at this stage should be ruled in, or out. That’s not to say with the propensity of all sides in this conflict to bury the truth, sometimes literally, as deeply and as impenetrably as possible.

Note: thread temporarily closed, until I can cut through to the substance.

  • Why doesn’t some MP ask the British prime minister in the House of Commons if he can he rule out the possibility of state involvement in the assassination of Denis Donaldson?

    Go ahead messrs Adams et al…

  • Glen Taisie

    !!! Carlsberg don’t kill informers but if they did ………………

  • Doctor Who

    Of course the ¨bratish¨ government killed him.

    They also caused the great famine, Dana, Daniel O´Donnell, 9/11, the Tsunami, the ice age, the extinction of the dinosaurs and of course the impending end of the world in around 100 million years.

    If it wasn´t the Bratish then it must of been the Borrowers, as wasn´t it them who did the Northern Bank heist in December 2004

  • Billy Pilgrim

    “Why doesn’t some MP ask the British prime minister in the House of Commons if he can he rule out the possibility of state involvement in the assassination of Denis Donaldson?”

    There are five who might, but unfortunately they don’t take their seats.

  • barnshee

    Poor Danny

    ANTHING to try to deflect odium away fro PIRA/SF et al

    Maybe Denis should have jumped out a window a few years earlierand gone to live in England

  • And why don’t you have the honesty, Mick Fealty, to say that you took down a bunch of posts, including mine, in the process?

    If you are going to use the censor’s knife, why don’t you pick on the babbling Protestants and Unionists for a change?

  • Joe

    regarding Barnshee’s comment,

    Am i the only one who is curious as to why Donaldson’s former handlers did not provide him with any ability to protect himself? he obviously had to been of enormous value to them over the years. Why no new identity or financial help to disappear into quiet anonymity?

  • David Johnson

    Out of the three (very/too) broad groups of suspects, I have seen little by way of motive in comments so far which express a view. Let’s try to keep a good standard on this site as usual.

  • Craig Bane

    I couldn’t beleive it when i heard the news today Donaldson had been shot dead.

    Then i thought that sod has lied to both sides for twenty years, lined his pockets out of the troubles, wreck the power sharing assembly and ultimately held back the peace process.

    Imagine my horror when i heard that Jeffery was still with us.

  • joinedupthinking

    Denis Donaldson was debriefed (interrogated?) for 36 hours by Sinn Fein (?) at Connelly House after he confessed to being an agent.
    He was questioned over an extended period by the IRA after his RTE confession.
    One presumes, therefore, that any secrets he had were revealed at these sessions.
    Or, if not, then they would remain buried (if those people couldn’t get them, then who could?).
    In short, the British had no call to kill him.
    Either he had already talked or wasn’t going to.
    Besides, what exactly could he reveal?
    It wasn’t as if his handlers were passing sensitive information to him, it was the other way round.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    ‘Denis Donaldson was debriefed (interrogated?) for 36 hours by Sinn Fein (?) at Connelly House after he confessed to being an agent.’

    He wasn’t it was at Sevastopol St.

    ‘He was questioned over an extended period by the IRA after his RTE confession.’

    No he wasn’t.

    If you are going to manufacture an excuse for getting his handlers off the hook at least get a few of the basics right.

  • Doctor Who

    Oh! yeah!

    The Bratish government and colonial forces of the occupying oppressive crown where also responsible for the assination of Kennedy and execution of Jesus Christ.

  • Mick Fealty

    Trow,

    Last time I looked this thread was a complete basket case. I took it off earlier and promised to cut it down to whatever substance there was underneath. A kind moderator did it in my absence.

    I thank them profoundly. I take a great amount of trouble to post as a straight a story as possible. All I ask is some reciprocation.

    Point 5 of our commenting policy:

    The judgement of the Editors in these matters is final and will be exercised without apology, explanation or compensation.

  • English

    I don’t see how anyone in the British Government would have authorised an operation on foreign soil, and the timing is awful. Nor do I believe the IRA could have done it: a)because if they let someone off publically they keep their word. b)they would have done it before now if they wanted to, the timing does not suit them at all!

    If a securicrat from Northern Ireland carried out the murder this is more likely, as they have a lot to lose out of peace.

    The most likely source is not anyone involved in the peace process, i.e: a) most likely is a revenge killing by someone affected by his behaviour, b) dissident republicans.

  • English,

    “Nor do I believe the IRA could have done it: a)because if they let someone off publically (sic)they keep their word.”

    Ask the family of Frank Hegarty about assurances from the provo’s, I think they might disagree.

    Some might think there is a similarity in these two cases (Hegarty and Donaldson) and perhaps the same top informer in the SF/PIRA ranks ordered the deaths of both to protect himself???????

  • Paul

    Surely the use of a shotgun points to someone with no access to small arms? Someone acting out a personal grudge?

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Shotguns don’t leave much to go on in the way of ballistic tests. Which would make sense in Denis’s case.

  • Pathetic, Mick, but at least you are now being honest.

    Actually, though, the part your editors removed, as I recall, was a sensible discussion I was having with J Kelly about the threats now facing outed British tout Scap when he attempts to establish his innocence in the Breen and Buchanan assassinations before the Smithwick inquiry, especially when ‘Kevin Fulton’, ‘Martin Ingram’, David Shayler and Annie Machon conspired in London on March 1st to set him up for the crime.

    I think my posts were a most timely warning to Scap, given what happened to Jerry McCabe and other Garda officers who were so fond of the RUC officers, especially Buchanan, in attempting to stop the Provisionals.

    I wouldn’t give Scap much of a chance if he chooses to show up as this is the current way that Britain gets rid of its potential troublemakers. Just ask Denis Donaldson.

  • Slugger O’Toole Admin

    Trow,

    No one asks you to post on this site. Them’s the rules. They’ve been there for months. If you don’t like it, you can simply post elsewhere.

  • Your arrogant statement that you will exercise censorship without explanation, apology or compensation is shocking.

    I don’t like it one bit – especially when you allow Inteligence Insider apparently aka ‘Martin Ingram’ to spread dangerous disinformation about Scappaticci, Denis Donaldson, Eoin Corrigan, Frank Hegarty, ‘Steakknife’ aka DUKE et al. as he sees fit without any restraint.

    I have other places to post my messages, and may well decide to restrict them to them as you are obviously promoting a secret agenda which favors the London and Dublin governments.

  • Busty Brenda

    Trow.

    LOL LOL LOL LOL

    please don’t go anywhere else!! I love your posts, they cheer me up, you couldn’t pay for such comedy.

    keep it up!!!

  • Snuff Box

    If there was value for securocrats in getting rid of Donaldson then who would they get to do their dirty work considering Scap is out of the picture?

    Also given that the sunday world managed to find Donaldson and get somewhat of an interview how many other reporters made it up to Donegal in the past few months?

  • INNISMURRAY

    From recollection, in 70s or 80s two car loads of SAS were arrested by the Gardai, in county Louth, having just crossed the border from NI. Shotguns and knives were found in the cars. At least one republican, in the Dundalk area had been shot dead with a shotgun in the preceeding months. The SAS soldiers were held for a couple of days before being sent back sans weapons. Shotguns (automatic or pumpaction ?)were used in the Donaldson’s murder. Am I wrong in thinking that some RUC groups were also trained to use shotguns ?

  • rollo

    Busty Brenda,

    How big is that bust?

  • NRG

    Of course SF reps have never, ever, had anything to do with murder and are thus speaking from the moral high ground.

  • Rollo, I can assure you that BB, while a bit shy about such personal dimensions, has what it takes.

  • Trowbridge H. Ford,

    I don’t know how many times I have to say this, and I’m sure it won’t make any difference as I think most people are now aware that you are mentally unbalanced, but I AM NOT “MARTIN INGRAM” NOR HAVE I EVER POSTED UNDER THAT NAME!!!!

    Now, go back to telling us all how you were poisoned in the Suprana, how “Steak Knife” is not Scap, who killed the Norwegian, etc. Then go back to your padded cell!

  • Young Unionist

    INNISMURRAY: “From recollection, in 70s or 80s two car loads of SAS were arrested by the Gardai, in county Louth, having just crossed the border from NI. Shotguns and knives were found in the cars. At least one republican, in the Dundalk area had been shot dead with a shotgun in the preceeding months. The SAS soldiers were held for a couple of days before being sent back sans weapons. Shotguns (automatic or pumpaction ?)were used in the Donaldson’s murder. Am I wrong in thinking that some RUC groups were also trained to use shotguns?”

    Just because the RUC and SAS were trained to use shotguns, it doesnt mean that they done it. For crying out loud, every farmer from Donegal to Belfast has a shot gun, does that make them suspects. What im sayin is that ure suspicions of the killer/s is completely narrow minded. We cannot base the murder on the weapons used. More solid evidence is needed, and going by ure so called evidence, ure just lookin for an excuse to blame the British Forces

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Young UnionistL “Just because the RUC and SAS were trained to use shotguns, it doesnt mean that they done it. For crying out loud, every farmer from Donegal to Belfast has a shot gun, does that make them suspects. What im sayin is that ure suspicions of the killer/s is completely narrow minded. We cannot base the murder on the weapons used. More solid evidence is needed, and going by ure so called evidence, ure just lookin for an excuse to blame the British Forces”

    By George, I think he’s finally got it!! Now, Young Unionist, if youcomprehend that this particularly process operates in *both* directions, we might just have a breakthrough on our hands!!