Ingram on IRA, MI5, FBI and MI6

Radio Free Eireann runs a lengthy interview with ‘Martin Ingram’ (sound file, starts 25 minutes in). Ingram describes how informers were enlisted from within the IRA, how MI5 and the FBI cooperated in running British agents in the US (including Dennis Donaldson), how MI5 and MI6 operated in the US, what British protection was given to Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness and their failure to root out informers, the significance of American funding for IRA, and more generally how Northern Ireland undercover operations were conducted. Is he spreading disinformation? He responds to the scepticism of his detractors.

  • kate

    A very good interview. They even put off martin galvin for it. I think he is using some kind of scrambler for his voice,but I’ll be interested in the phone in when they do it.

    Worth listening to.

  • Tai

    It thought it was interesting when he said; “that’s when Martin Ingram wrote the piece for the Sunday Times” as though he and MI were not one and the same; and further, when he said that Cryptome was his website. Minor slips perhaps…

  • Shore Road Resident

    Perhaps, or perhaps he’s just caught the NI self-important third-person bug a la Johnny Adair and last week, I notice, Gerry Adams.

  • kate

    Tai, what did you think of his revelations about the johnson book? How the difficulties between MI5 and the branch hampered the Finnucaine case? That was revealing I did not know that, as I have not read the book. Also his information regarding the money that could be brought from Lisburn to run the agent, and the branches reaction to it. I thought it was interesting, and the inter-agency bickering is an angle that has been ignored so far.

    The comparison of the US to Brit intelligence, re the USAs over reliance on electronic devices to the Brits preference for Human intelligence, and how one compared to the other. I found that interesting too.

    I found the interview a good over all view as to how the british behaved here over the last 30 odd years very interesting.

  • martin ingram

    Tai.

    When you are a third person ( Source) i.e. Martin Ingram then you talk not as the real you ( My real ID) but as the individual who was involved in writing the piece for the Newspaper .

    It is a consistent theme of all my intrviews, Radio and television. The Cryptome remark was a result of a misunderstood point. I quickly clarified it and offered the correct e mail address which Thankfully many Americans have contacted me to say Thank You .

    I Thanked the American Hosts and they requested that I return to take part in a telephone phone in, the Americans seem genuinely interested in the corruption of the RM.

    Martin

    PS. Kate, I am pleased you found it interesting. The Americans are clearly looking at these subjects very closely.

  • man o’ the irish

    On another thread today, Martin Ingram has publicly accused Pat McLarnon of being a liar. On a previous thread, the same individual equated membership of Community Restorative Justice to that of the IRA.

    Having spoken today with members of the CRJ about the allegation carried on the site, I can assure you that the people I spoke with are very concerned about the allegation.

    Neither post has been removed, nor has action been taken against the ‘offending’ poster.

    Now, given that I have allegedly been ‘barred’ from the site for defaming unknown individuals after intimating that specific stories carried in the media were untrue (fabrications, I believe was the term deemed ‘offensive’, and to which I completely stand over having very good knowledge about both), I take it that similar action will follow for our resident British informant, Martin?

    After all, if your concern is truly preventing people from making accusations about others, then it must be the case that the rule should apply across the board? Or is it that republicans alone are to be censured?

    Personally, I think the site should be big enough and indeed mature enough to tolerate some witty and forthright- even ascerbic- comments from contributors.

    One of the two comments I posted that was apparently deemed offensive even provoked a complimentary response from the poster/ site contributor whom I was reacting to, and to whom by the way I have a considerable amount of respect for the way he has contributed to the development of the site.

    One of the strengths of Slugger is that it has filled the insatiable gap in cyberworld for the politicos up here in the north to have a go at one another, rant and rave from time to time and, at its most productive, facilitate some worthwhile discussions which provide food for thought for the contributors, regardless of their background.

    However, there is no question in my mind that the site has lost a balance in recent months, and there is a real danger that the site will be reduced to a unionist talk shop- particularly if Pat ever decides that he’s had enough of the personal insults and packs it in.

    That would be a real pity in my mind, because there is scope for the site to continue growing and, were you to approach republicans to find a willing site contributor, then it might bring back a balance to the site that has sadly been lacking for quite some time.

    Now, I’m off to enjoy my enforced early retirement….

  • martin ingram

    MOI,

    You seem to have misunderstood the thread of this topic.

    Tell me is this an Unnamed source?

    Quote”Having spoken today with members of the CRJ about the allegation carried on the site, I can assure you that the people I spoke with are very concerned about the allegation.”Unquote

    In respect to Pat. No offence is intended.

    You Shinners are at least consistent. Freddy Scap argued that I should be punished and only the other day it was remarked on this site that I was a legitimate target.Now you suggest that I should be punished, by being banned like you.

    It seems you do need if not deserve a rest. You appear from your last post to be ranting and a short break on the sidelines will refresh you for the coming months of debate.

    Martin.

  • alfredo

    quote marks should be placed around the name ‘pat mclarnon’- this is not an individual but a representative of a sinn fein blog monitoring committee for which ‘pat mclarnon’ is an ID

  • andy

    I thought it was a good interview.
    One thing they didn’t explore was that if the IRA was so infiltrated then a ceasefire would be the only logical outcome from the republican side. There’s not much point in continuing a war if penetration is near “total”.

    re: the internal security unit being compromised, Martin – what are your views on the theory that the IRA had known Scappaticci was stakeknife for a while before his unmasking and had “debriefed” him accordingly? Could this have gone for other now-outed agents asw well? (I can’t remember if I have heard this view ascribed to you in the past)

  • Comrade Stalin

    However, there is no question in my mind that the site has lost a balance in recent months, and there is a real danger that the site will be reduced to a unionist talk shop-

    Oh please, not this boring old chestnut. The chuckies have been moaning “unionist talk shop” for over a year, not just “recent months”.

    particularly if Pat ever decides that he’s had enough of the personal insults and packs it in.

    It wouldn’t be the first time.

  • quote marks should be placed around the name ‘pat mclarnon’- this is not an individual but a representative of a sinn fein blog monitoring committee for which ‘pat mclarnon’ is an ID

    ROFL!!!

    Who else is on this “sinn fein blog monitoring committee” which only exists in your head?

  • alfredo

    how about you as starters?

  • MotI,

    Moderation on Slugger is done on an a posteriori basis. If you think someone has breached the Slugger protocol, the packdrill is the same whether you are a commenter or politician or journalist. Drop me a line and give me specifics. I can then decide whether to take action.

    I agree that we’ve not had enough politician friendly bloggers. And I welcome the intoduction of new voices from whichever part of the political spectrum they come. In general terms, I think there is too much reliance on animus and that politicians should get more of a fair crack of the whip.

    Having said that, I also think that “there’s a media campaign against us” can more usefully translate as “we’re having a bad air war”. And I mean useful in the sense that there is then something you can do to change that situation. Shooting the messenger just makes things worse.

    The most difficult thing in achieving balance in the last year has been the silence from Sinn Fein on most of the stuff that’s been thrown at them. We seem to go on and off their media list with the ebb and flow of the critical coverage. At the moment, the only thing we are getting on a regular is the latest offer from the Sinn Fein online shop.

    Of course that is entirely their perogative. But, so far as I can see, it only works to the advantage of Sinn Fein’s opponents, since the only formal offline breifing we get comes from that quarter.

    As for a ‘Unionist talk shop’, well I can’t quite see the substance of that accusation. For a start, where are the unionists? Just over two years ago, most of the discussion on Slugger was centred on Unionist politics. Accordingly most of our commenters were Unionists.

    That’s where the political action was in Northern Irish politics. And that’s where the crisis was. Whatever you think of it, that crisis was largely resolved in November 2003 when the DUP won the battle for political power in NI. It was followed by a political deep freeze, until the bank robbery in December last.

    Then in last year, one by one, our Unionist commentators have dropped out of the Slugger ‘talking shop’. Where some people viewed it as a Unionist outreach project before, it has now become a venue for a largely Nationalist discourse. I’ve no doubt it will change again as politics in NI takes up new courses.

    It’s not that Unionists are not interested. Our reader figures remain robust, and by anecdote it seems the site is read by many of the same people as before. But they most probably feel they have little to say about a crisis that relates to too few of their own concerns.

    Unionist talking shop? Well if you insist. But it’s one that involves precious few bona fide Unionists.

    Finally, I’m sorry you were banned. You’ve been an intelligent commentator who has on occasion shown rare humility in your response to reasoned criticism. But I have to run this site within the bounds of the law. You breached it once too often.

    Were I sitting on a big fat sinecure and had the time and money to spare, I might have been able to moderate in such a way to keep you in the game. But in the absence of such, and particularly where it is I, and not you (as an unattributable source), who would have been made answerable to the law, I had little choice.

    I am more than happy to continue the conversation off site.

  • how about you as starters?

    LOL

    You are out of your tree!!

    Am I not a real person either, am I just an ID name like Pat?

    Just as a matter of interest what makes you think that such a committee exists?

  • alfredo

    ‘cos i know how adams and the shinners operate, that’s why

  • That doesn’t explain your reason for believing there is a committee dealing with blogs.

    I can assure you that no such committee exists and that neither I nor Pat sit on the fictional committee.

  • The Dubliner

    Why exactly – beyond the Z-list star appeal of human organs in jars and bearded ladies in carnival sideshows – is anyone attaching any credibility to the statements of someone who lies for a living, such as this odious ‘Martin Ingram’ character?

    The last time I checked, career pathological liars and sociopaths weren’t known for their veracity.

  • andy

    Dubliner
    Over the last few years there has been a move towards recognising that state collusion with paramilitiaries was a major feature of the conflict.
    Most Unionists acceept it happened (although may dispute its extent) and the SDLP have been making political capital out of the issue (as is their right under a democratic system) when they hadn’t really been doing much to highlight it when it was going on.
    I believe that a major reason why the existence of collusion has been accepted among non-republicans is because of the information put in the public domain by Martin Ingram.

  • martin ingram

    Andy.

    Thank You .

    In respect to compromised Agents. Yes a number have been de briefed but for a variety of reasons have been allowed to remain in situ.

    Freddy was allowed to remain for years approx 96 onwards. Freddy was such a pivotal figure within the movement the knowledge that he had been a Brit Agent for decades was thought rightly to be destabilising. Freddy also had a lot of dirt on the leading lights.

    At the News conference both Freddy and Sinn Fein were united in that they would lie knowing the truth was difficult to prove.

    A photograph of Freddy with an Handler was known to be in existance, the Met Poloice raided one house in London and went straight to an area I and another party had deliberately talked about on the telephone. They even had the neck to describe on the warrant for the search a desire to recover photographs which were in breach of the OSA.

    I am told today that the feeling within the ground troops ( IRA) was a belief that Freddy was a brussel but felt unable to publicily say so.

    The Cook report tapes were in truth a god send. I was unaware of the tapes until one night a few weeks before they were released. There is a funny story behind the tapes but that will have to wait for some time because certain individual would strangle me if they knew the truth.

    The moment they hit Cryptome Freddy and Sinn Fein was on a loser.

    The issue of collusion is a serious one and Freddy is only one component, Sinn Fein and the Brits dont want a Truth forum, just like they did not want Freddy to be exposed.

    To answer you question regarding compromise?. Sinn Fein will have purely selfish reasons for not exposing Agents, they may well be well respected families with high profile volunteers within. It is sometimes easier like the Brits did with Blunt to just move him and debrief him to gather any material of use and then just ignore him.It can be very embarrassing to admit to a consistent flow of touts, retire them and let them live a life with their family that way both sides win. The Brits dont have to provide a pay off and Sinn fein/IRA dont get it in the Neck. Everybody is happy, sorry about that.

    Martin.

  • Mickhall

    ‘martin’

    I still have problems understanding why the PRM failed to out Freddie, if your correct and they were aware of his activities from around 96. After debriefing him why did they not kill him, they could have dressed it up to look like a loyalist murder. They could have even given him a Republican funeral, after all it would not have been the first time a known tout received such a send off.

    Why keep quite knowing full well that they were sitting on a story which might blow up in their face at any time in the future. Thus if they had killed him and the story did out, they could have told their volunteers etc, why do you think he died etc, we were on to the b””’d. After all there were people back then within the PRM whose sole job was to think up ten ways to kill a man.

    By the way although I agree with Mick about the swings and roundabouts of a list like slugger, I also agree with ‘MOTI’ in that it needs a SF member to post stories which will end up as threads. I feel any personal criticism of Pat and one or two other shinners is off base. Take Pat week in week out he argues his corner, often under extreme provocation. Yet in the main he remains polite and respectful to his political opponents, true I find his on message stance at times frustrating but that is his way and his right and it is for others to challenge it.

    There was a time when the shinners, or rather those few who came here, posted in a totally defensive manner, rarely going beyond group speak, a la morrison.com, this happens far less these day and the thread about RJ shows the list is the better for it. I just wish posters from within the loyalist communities would tell us the effect touts have had within their communities.

  • Speccy

    One guess as to why not outing Scappaticci before and sitting on it for so long is because they had gotten away with that sort of thing in other cases and why not this one as well which will probably account for a number of other people as MI has indicated.

  • While I did arrange to listen to at least part of Martin Ingram’s interview despite my claims to the contrary, I do think that it, and previous ones show that he was a former covert agent despite what his know-nothing critics continue to claim, but I do think that he is far too economical in his criticism of the Brits, especially at Martin McGuinness’s expense.

    Ingram is apparently the FRU handler, ‘Brian’, who handled Frank Hegarty until he was bundled off to Britain in January 1986 to be debriefed while others, especially Ops Officer of the 14 Intelligence Company’s South Detachment Captain Simon Hayward aka Captain James Rennie, rounded up all the weapons depots he knew of in order to satisfy Unionists about the Hillsborough Agreemnet, and covert operators in the run-up to the non-nuclear showdown with the Soviets (Operation Armageddon)- what the asssassination of Swedish statsminister Olof Palme (Operation Tree) was intended to trigger.

    Instead of talking about Britain’s betrayals, especially Ingram’s own, of Hegarty, he put all the blame for what happened to the informer on McGuinness when he might well have been treated by the Provos in just the same way as Ingram was by the FRU.

    In sum, if Ingram is just not another covert disinformation agent, he better start speaking out more candidly and honestly about his apparently former employers, or one should soon discard him as a viable source.

  • kate

    Trowbinge,

    your posts always amuse me, I never know if you are serious or not. I feel that Martin Ingram is a ‘dissident’ voice within the security services, much like we have dissident voices with in republicanism. One of the leading voices of dissent within republicanism is Anthony McINtyre. This man like Ingram was in an organisation and then left to become a leading critic of his former organisation. The same is true of ‘Martin Ingram’ except I believe he has gone a little further, as he placed his head on the block not only to those former people he served with but also by his former enemies -republicans.

    Perhaps I am wrong in this analysis and if so apologies to Mr Mac, but I think it is a reasonable analysis. Both these gentlemen are in the media and appear to be on the level.

    You keep introducing names such as Simon Hayward that no one here has ever heard off, and making these allegations and explanations of the facts. A lot of people who read this board have been around for a long time and many are ‘in the know’, and I would like to know how these names you offer have not been in the media or known to journalists sources etc here in the north of Ireland.

  • martin ingram

    Mick.

    Your points re : Pat are valid and have been hoisted on board.

    Mick. Sinn Fein have doing this for years, it is a tried and tested method.Indeed Mr Adams knows that only too well.

    Pat. If I have offended you. I am sorry .

    Trow.

    You have accused me previously of being involved in the assasination of a Sweedish prime minister. I am sorry but after years of trying to help you, it is clear you are a lost cause.

    Martin

  • Fionna

    Martin,
    The interview was very interesting. I’m still digesting bits of it…

    Alfredo,
    Not sure about a blog monitoring committee, (that would be a cherry job wouldn’t it?) however there sure are a few blogging “press releases” about. SF are a full generation behind on their propaganda approach. There is a manifesto kicking around that explains how to pull a long standing group into the new form of information dissemination…SF could stand to read it, and put it into practice.
    FK

  • Mr Ingram
    Just listened to your interview.
    A question if I may, all to do with timing.
    I don’t understand why at this critical juncture in negotiations you decide to come on air touting an anti-SF agenda?
    Surely if your position is to have any integrity, and supposing the forthcoming talks fail to produce anything, then is the time to come on air with your ideas of the need for a new Party.
    Why not get behind SF, as you say you’re a nationalist, and believe in a united ireland; giving them your full support in the hope that we can persuade the DUP into talks and secure a peaceful future for the North.
    Its the DUP that need coaxing? Right?
    Your timing doesn’t make sense to me, but then again I’m the naive one here, is that it?

  • crow

    I had to laugh when they played the music at the end.Very good.

  • Kate, I appreciate your candor, though I must say that I am a bit distressed that you and others have never heard of the people I have mentioned, starting with Captain Simon Hayward.

    All I can ask you to do is to consult the three anonymous articles I had on cryptome.org in late October 2003 about IRA mugshots, the Notarantonio murder, what followed in 1988, and the fall of Thatcher and her conservatives on informationclearinghouse.info. All of the articles, except the mugshots one, is also in the Trowbridge Archive at codshit.com.

    If you have any questions after reading this material, just ask.

    As for you, Ingram, you stonewalling any questions, starting with the outing of Frank Hegarty, and the premature capture of the weapons depots in anticipation of the showdown with the Soviets, starting in Stockholm, speaks volumes about your candor and honesty. It was part of the conspiracy, along with the murder of Francis Bradley on February 18, 1986.

    Kate, you might find the reporting of these events, starting with what happened in Strabane a year earlier(p. 333ff.) in Father Murray’s SAS in Ireland instructive.

  • Came accross this beauty waiting in the Citizens Advice Bureau.
    How simple 🙂

    PEACEFUL CONFLICT RESOLUTION
    Respect the right to disagree.
    Express your real concerns.
    Share common goals and interests.
    Open yourself to different points of view.
    Listen carefully to all proposals.
    Understand the major issues involved.
    Think about probable consequences.
    Imagine several possible alternative solutions.
    Offer some reasonable compromises.
    Negotiate mutually fair cooperative agreements.

    –Robert E. Valett

  • The Dubliner

    “In sum, if Ingram is just not another covert disinformation agent, he better start speaking out more candidly and honestly about his apparently former employers, or one should soon discard him as a viable source.” – Trowbridge H. Ford

    Exactly, Martin says just enough ‘negatives’ about his employers to appear credible in his charade as disenfranchised allegedly former employee.

    Ingram, to his credit, co-operated with the Stevens Inquiry into institutionalised collusion between the state and FRU-controlled murder gangs. The real story in this isn’t about Sinn Fein, it about the unbroken chain of command of the British state’s murder campaign against its own citizens under Brigadier Gordon Kerr’s tenure as head of FRU running all the way through the then NI Secretary, Tom King, to Secretary of State for Defence, George Younger, and on to Downing Street where Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister. The state wilfully conspired to murder at least 14 of its own citizens through its franchised official killing machine, the UDA. But it doesn’t stop with the UDA: how many of its citizens did the British state wilfully murder through its agent(s) in the IRA?

    No, the real issue isn’t spurious speculation about the number of British informers or agents within Sinn Fein (as Ingram would now misdirect us), or even the IRA’s failure to suspect Steak Knife, the real issue is the British state’s murder campaign against its own citizens through its multi-franchised official killing machines in the north. That is where our inquiries should be.

    Ingram is very much an active operative in propaganda disinformation. He is active before our eyes. Just as the FRU (JSG) have a department that feeds disinformation and black propaganda to the mainstream media (witness the flood of malicious ‘informer rumour’ stories akin to Ingram’s), so too do they seek to disseminate disinformation and black propaganda into the emerging alternative Internet news streams such as Blogs. This new medium is too important to be ignored. That’s why Ingram is here. It helps to be aware of that.

  • martin ingram

    Sp[irit Level.

    Nationalism does not equate to Sinn Fein my friend, of that I am 100% sure.

    Martin.

  • Dubliner, at least ‘Ingram’ is pseudonymous. I recommend reading Conor Brady’s piece in the Village from the week before last:

    http://www.sluggerotoole.com/index.php/weblog/comments/wicked_mixing_of_fact_and_fantasy/

  • martin ingram

    Dubliner.

    Sorry our posts crossed. As I have had a drink or two you will have to wait till the morning.

    Martin.

  • Scap

    “One of the leading voices of dissent within republicanism is Anthony McINtyre. This man like Ingram was in an organisation and then left to become a leading critic of his former organisation. The same is true of ‘Martin Ingram’ except I believe he has gone a little further, as he placed his head on the block not only to those former people he served with but also by his former enemies -republicans.

    “Perhaps I am wrong in this analysis and if so apologies to Mr Mac, but I think it is a reasonable analysis. Both these gentlemen are in the media and appear to be on the level.”

    Comparing “Martin Ingram” to McIntyre is a stroke of genius, Kate. I wholeheartedly concur. But, then, it’s not the first time you’ve had to apologize to McIntyre, is it? There was that plagiarism in The Blanket, and your subsequent sacking, right?

  • The Dubliner

    “Sorry our posts crossed. As I have had a drink or two you will have to wait till the morning.” – Martin

    Well, you know you’ve had too much to drink when you take a leak the the flowerbed and the roses start singing, “Two Pina Coladas.”

    Martin, a transcript of a TV documentary “Licensed to Kill – Inside the Force Research Unit” found on relativesforjustice.com shows this question being asked to Jack Grantham:

    Commentary: “You said one of the tactics that FRU actually used was to give information which would lead the IRA to believe that a certain person was an informer within their own ranks.”

    Jack Grantham replies: “Yes, by using your own agents to sow those seeds and from small acorns grow.”

    Now, you’ve denied being either Jack Grantham or that name being another pseudonym of yours, despite claims to the contrary, but isn’t the FRU tactic that Jack Grantham outlined of spreading disinformation about informers exactly what you are transparently doing? Your posts are riddled with examples of it.

    Your previous reply to Andy on this thread is riddled with examples of you spewing spurious “reasons” why Sinn Fein would deny that agents within their party or within the IRA were widespread:

    “At the News conference both Freddy and Sinn Fein were united in that they would lie knowing the truth was difficult to prove.”

    “Sinn Fein will have purely selfish reasons for not exposing Agents, they may well be well respected families with high profile volunteers within.”

    “It can be very embarrassing to admit to a consistent flow of touts, retire them and let them live a life with their family that way both sides win.”

    The above are all examples of mind-reading by you. And unless mind-reading was removed from fairgrounds and into the realm of science without my knowledge, I’d have to dismiss the above as you talking shite.

    You are seeking to undermine wholly legitimate denials to wholly unfounded accusations denials against Sinn Fein by yourself and others who share your agenda here. You consistently fail to offer a shred of credible evidence to support your dissemination of disinformation and black propaganda. All you offer is the tricks of your propaganda trade.

    The agenda you promote is to destabilise the republican movement by undermining confidence in its leaders by its members. You’d like it if they fell for your game and considered that they were sold down the river by a republican movement that was controlled by the British securocrats, wouldn’t you? That might make enough of them support other republican paramilitaries such as the Real IRA, thereby allowing the unionists to opt out of a power-sharing executive with Sinn Fein while “IRA elements are clearly still involved in military activity.” That, I suspect, is the real game plan here. It seems some rogue security elements just can’t countenance the very real prospect of being governed by Sinn Fein. Too bad, because they’re going to have to get used to it. 😉

  • The Dubliner

    “Dubliner, at least ‘Ingram’ is pseudonymous. I recommend reading Conor Brady’s piece in the Village from the week before last:

    http://www.sluggerotoole.com/index.php/weblog/comments/wicked_mixing_of_fact_and_fantasy/ ” – Mick

    That’s an interesting article from a very distinguished and capable journalist, Conor Brady. I suspect the ‘information quality control’ will improve as the ‘alternative’ media becomes the mainstream, with a large disclaimer being placed on the public comments section, and an elite number of Blogs gaining credibility above those with less control over information quality.

    You, at least, signalled the possibility that Martin Ingram was spreading disinformation in your article. That’s helpful, as people like Martin Ingram are professionals at what they do and can easily be given undue credence by the unwary – and given propaganda support by those with a shared agenda. This ‘informer rumour’ game is very dangerous indeed, so a signal is needed for the unwary.

    My two cents – but I’m not a protagonist, just an opinionated observer. 😉

  • martin ingram

    Dubliner.

    My Cryptome piece was released on New Years eve. I had made no public comment about the so called informers previously , except for one interview on Today Fm. In that interview I refused to answer any questions about the prospect of any further exposures as was being alleged WHY ?because I did not Know. I did not invite Tom Hartley to a meeting with the IRA on Christmas Eve, this meeting would not have been to compare christmas lists of that I am sure.

    The police did visit a number of houses during this period without first coming to me for reassurance. The RM ( and some have written about it) have worked a lot out for themselves.

    In respect to Freddy. You may not have contacts in the RM but I do. Both Sinn Fein and the Brits knew Freddy was a brussel sprout when he went on his wild rage at defending his reputation on TV and in court. That is why I have asked formally for the police to investigate this act of perjery. We should test this in a court of law.

    When Jack Grantham who took part in tv (some years ago) show, he made that point ( sowing the seeds of doubt) he was refering to people like Sean Maguire, Ruby Davison, JJ, Freddy etc. They helped to sow that seed. It worked my friend very well, it just happens to be illegal. Now I dont think there will be many who will doubt that it worked because Sinn Fein have already said it did work and have said sorry to a number of families. So what is your point here.

    Have a nice day.

    Martin.

  • Thanks, Dubliner, for attempting to get Ingram to talk candidly about the British state’s murder campaign, but, as all can see, he is incapable of doing it, drunk or seemingly sober.

    I have tried for the past two years, but all I have gotten is his notices about my mental sickness, suggestions for possibly controlling it, etc. I know now what it was like being a Soviet dissident.

    All Ingram can come up with is speculation about
    less important issues – especially Scap is the one and only ‘Steak Knife’- when the real one is what Britain’s murder machine carried out, starting with the cull at Loughgall.

    Ingram is working night and day to make sure there are no independent inquiries of the assassinations, so he and all his buddies can escape unknown and scot free.

    At least, it is comforting to know that there is at least someone with his head screwed on properly here and elsewhere about the real issues, and why they are not being resolved.

  • onanothermanswounds

    Whatever martin ingram is working at this weather he seems to be employed full time at it. Have asked him previously on another thread whether or not he had kept detailed dairies in the possibility / eventuallity of a war crimes tribunal. Asked him this question because other people like him have admitted to keeping detailed dairies. M.I refused to answer the question. I am only after listening to his radio interview on RFI and it struck me as strange that an Irish Nationlist ( even a convert like M.I.) would talk of the British ‘mainland’! But there you go – ‘Londonderry’, ‘terrorists’ and all that. M.I says during his interview that the spectaculars on the ‘mainland’during his term i.e late eighties and early nineties was carried out by the armagh and tyrone units of PIRA cause the belfast and derry units were not trusted because they were so heavilty infiltrated by Brit Int. However even an amateur student of the conflict of that period would see that the a lot of PIRA units in Tyrone to all intents and purposes could not operate because it was clear from early eighties that the Tyrone units were compromised thus ruling out their so called reliability for ‘spectaculars’. It seems that Republicans of that period had been convinced for many years that an unofficial ceasefire was in place in Derry. For a unit of PIRA such as the Belfast unit to be so heavily infiltrated, according to M.I., then that unit inflicted a terrible lot of damage. Goodness knows what it would have been like if they had not been infiltrated, eh Martin? Bottom line? Britain has absolutely no right to be in Ireland and everything that flows from that presence is a criminal act. As an Irish Nationlist, surely you would agree, Máirtín?

  • Mickhall

    onanothermanswounds

    Myself I would rephrase what you wrote to,

    Britain has absolutely no right to be in Ireland and the violence of the last thirty odd years has flowed from this fact. But I support your sentiments.

    regards

    Mick

  • kate

    Scap I apologised to mcintyre,and to the person whose pieces I used and did not attribute the source. There has of course been another instance of plagarism in the blanket, and there was no apology that I saw, but then some apologise for their mistakes and some do not, that is the way of the world.

    The comparison above was used because I see it as a valid one, so anytime you feel like coming up from under your stone and using your own name we can continue talking either on or off line. As mick has pointed out invisible people have invisible rights. Lets see your backbone if you have one.

  • martin ingram

    Onanothermanswounds.

    I am genuinely sorry if I have missed your previous posts, regarding documents etc.

    To answer you directly YES.

    The mainland term is designed not for a NI audience but for an American one.

    Londonderry, or Derry I use both terms.

    Tyrone remains the second most loyal area, Belfast and Derry remains last.

    As regards Damage in Belfast, can not agree with you, it could have been much worse.

    I wrote and apologized for my role in Ireland over four years ago in the Andytown news GP 01/2001, shame your finger is not on the pulse my friend although it is quick on the trigger to have a dig at me. Running Scared of the truth ? thought so.

  • onanothermanswounds

    M.I
    If you claim to be an Irish Nationalist, would it not be in the Irish National interest for you to publish your dairies asap in order that Britains role in the conflict is fully exposed? Or is it that you will not publish your dairies because it is actually yourself who is running scared? Whatever. To repeat another question that I posed on another thread: when you and yours were playing GOD how did you and yours select the victims of your collusion policy? Did yous role a dice, pick a card, select a number, point to a house or what? I am sure the relatives of your collusion policy would like to know.

  • martin ingram

    Onanothermanswounds.

    My duty as I rish Nationalist is to point out the folly of Sinn Fein.

    Quote”To repeat another question that I posed on another thread: when you and yours were playing GOD how did you and yours select the victims of your collusion policy? Did yous role a dice” Unquote

    In respect to collusion. It was very scientific?
    telephone directory and a chicken wish bone. When the bone was moved over a catholic in the phone book, the bone became irrational and the room lights began to flicker. Hey Presto target.

    Hope that helps you understand this very Important subject.

    Martin, Chief wish bone operator.

  • onanothermanswounds

    M.I
    No closer to understanding how you and yours when yous were playing GOD selected your victims ( what are you running scared off?) BUT I and I hope a whole lot others have a better insight into your mentality. Nite nite and keep the dairies close, you never know you might need them some day.

  • The Dubliner

    “My Cryptome piece was released on New Years eve. I had made no public comment about the so called informers previously , except for one interview on Today Fm.” – Martin Ingram

    Really? Then I just have been reading a fake ‘Martin Ingram’ on Slugger when I observed you dropping hints about Martin McGuinness being an informer like they were confetti at an Italian wedding.

    Your article on December 31st, where you again insinuate that both Jerry Adams and Martin McGuinness are informers shows your agenda. I’d give it an ‘A’ for effort, but a ‘J’ for propaganda excellence, an ‘X’ for logic, and another letter would have to be added to the end of the alphabet before I could properly grade it for evidence value.

    While you withdrew your evidence from the Stevens enquiry under extreme duress (but at least helped), your only actual value to the real world is assist in any further enquiries (without attaching your evidence to a retractable yo-yo string, hopefully). Only the idiots buy this bullshit that you and other British propagandists (chiefly employed in the Irish media) are disseminating in newspapers and television. Whether you are jumping on the bandwagon for attention or are being paid like the others to spread it really doesn’t matter.

    “In respect to Freddy. You may not have contacts in the RM but I do. Both Sinn Fein and the Brits knew Freddy was a brussel sprout when he went on his wild rage at defending his reputation on TV and in court. That is why I have asked formally for the police to investigate this act of perjery. We should test this in a court of law.” – Martin Ingram

    Steak Knife’s role as a FRU Agent within the IRA seems every bit as vile as Brian Nelson’s role as a FRU Agent within the UDA. Both men were an integral part of the British state’s franchised citizen killing machines in the north. Steak Knife is alleged to be responsible for approximately 40 murders as a highly-paid FRU Agent. How many of those murders were either act or omission by the FRU? Steak Knife’s role as a serial murderer appears to have been twofold: to ensure that informers and agents were not ‘suspected’ and to ‘frame’ others as informers that the FRU wanted to murder. This isn’t just a case of the British state’s terrorism-by-proxy, it’s a straightforward case of the state itself engaged directly in terrorism though one of its own highly-paid agents. Steak Knife is as much an FRU man as you were.

    But I agree with the assertion that Sinn Fein has a vested interest in not highlighting the role of Steak Knife with the same intensity that they highlighted the role of Brian Nelson. However, that party’s political self-interests are irrelevant to the families and friends of those murdered by the FRU here.

    “When Jack Grantham who took part in tv (some years ago) show, he made that point ( sowing the seeds of doubt) he was refering to people like Sean Maguire, Ruby Davison, JJ, Freddy etc. They helped to sow that seed. It worked my friend very well, it just happens to be illegal. Now I dont think there will be many who will doubt that it worked because Sinn Fein have already said it did work and have said sorry to a number of families. So what is your point here.” – Martin Ingram

    I’ve made it in my comments above. More examples of the British state conspiring to murder its own citizens. I suggest you acquaint yourself with the legal definition of murder that applies in the UK courts, particular the part about a failure to act.

    “My duty as I rish Nationalist is to point out the folly of Sinn Fein. ” – Martin Ingram

    Did you smile when you wrote that? Your duty as a black propagandist is to pose as being an Irish Nationalist whilst disseminating your brand of malice. Isn’t the definition of “black propaganda” information that “purports to be from a source on one side of a conflict, but is actually from the opposing side.”

    “In respect to collusion. It was very scientific? telephone directory and a chicken wish bone. When the bone was moved over a catholic in the phone book, the bone became irrational and the room lights began to flicker. Hey Presto target.” – Martin Ingram

    I doubt that he relatives of those that you and your cohorts facilitated the murders of would find your attempt at macabre humour amusing. But then, you already know that they wouldn’t; and that is why you deliberately make light of the misery that you wilfully inflicted on them, thereby unwittingly revealing more than a little about your true depraved mentality. The FRU is certainly an enterprise that sociopaths would be by the nature of their pathological affliction both ideally suited to, and drawn toward.

  • joeb

    http://www.martykaiser.com/

    Martin Kaiser is the man who built the bugs and other wiretapping equipment for the FBI,CIA .NSA, ETC. He has a new tell all book.

  • Realist

    Mr. Ingram,

    Don’t mean to seem to be a johnny come lately, but if you’re solely interested in seeing the truth come out, and in conjunction a Nationalist, wouldn’t one question your timing for the McGuinness pronouncement attributed to you recently? Would that not be something that could have been addressed after November’s deadline…the claim itself would appear to be unsubstantiated at the moment, and if one were a conspiracy theorist, the timing couldn’t be better to deflect the transience of the DUP in the current “shadow” Assembly…

  • Rory

    The current edition of Private Eyecarries an interesting slant on Ingram’s motives and possible veracity (see Eye No.1160, 9 June – 22 June 2006 – Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Film-maker).

    It seems our “Marty”, as he so endearingly wishes to be known, has ambitions for Hollywood. Unfortunately a movie called “Marty” has already suceeded as an Oscar winner back in 1956 (Ernest Borgnine – leading actor). That film, from a Paddy Chavesky script, concerned the yearnings of an ugly butcher for tender love. But no, tempting as it might seem, that is not the idea. It seems that our “Marty” is at pains to share with Kevin Fulton (that international military analyst of renown) the credits in a Warner Brothers movie linking the IRA to insurgency roadside mine attacks against foreign invaders in Iraq. Apparently the Fulton character is to be the star, though with a bit of luck, our “Marty” might get to co-star (as a character), at least as the hero’s not-so-handsome buddy. Who shall play the “Marty” character in this eventuality, I ask myself? Dennis Hopper? Who for that matter will play the Fulton character?

    Readers’ comments would be welcome. Who knows – Warner Bros may even pick up an option on your idea.

  • TL

    …see Eye No.1160, 9 June – 22 June 2006 – Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Film-maker-

    Shame on you Rory for teasing us with something that isn’t online!

  • Betty Boo

    Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Filmmaker
    mischievous person, clothes sewer (custom-fit to individuals), someone who served for pay, controlling the content and flow of the film’s plot and not to forget on occasion, writing the screenplay.
    Mhmmm

  • elfinto

    Just as the FRU (JSG) have a department that feeds disinformation and black propaganda to the mainstream media (witness the flood of malicious ‘informer rumour’ stories akin to Ingram’s), so too do they seek to disseminate disinformation and black propaganda into the emerging alternative Internet news streams such as Blogs. This new medium is too important to be ignored. That’s why Ingram is here. It helps to be aware of that.

    Well said, Dublin (or was it Northsider?)

    The Internet is the ideal forum for spreading this black propaganda and the FRU are making full use of it. Be aware that ‘Martin Ingram’ is almost certainly not the only FRU operative posting on this site. When MI is taking a battering in debate there is always somebody (typically masquerading as an Irish nationalist) who pops up to fight his corner. Sometimes his sparring partner for the evening will raise further questions prompting MI to peddle further disinformation.

    Once upon a time they hid out in covert obsevation posts and drove around in unmarked cars. These days the FRU hide behind false monikers on the Internet. How times have changed!

  • WestSideHK

    As a former Force Recon Msrine, I know at least a little about Covert Operations…and this guy sounds like he is full of shit.

    Let me get this straight. By the early 90’s, the IRA was basically winning aginst the combined forces of the British Army, the FRU and the UDA/UVF. In response to this, the British decided to “Protect Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness”. WTF…. According to this moron Ingram, the Brits also decided to allow the IRA to assassinate 30+ UDA/UVF members, dozens of RUC officers and British soldiers, and allowed them to bomb Britian over a dozen times, launch mortars at No. 10 Downing, and wreak financial chaos which ultimately forced the Brits to the negotiating table….man, that’s some strategy. Funny, in Afghanistan and Iraq, we prefered to KILL our enemies instead of protect them, I guess we have been doing it all wrong. Look, this guy is a disgruntled ex-soldier who is pissed that his side lost to the IRA’s superior battle tactics and guerilla techniques. The reason the UDA and UVF never killed Adams and McGuinness, was becuase the one time they tried, back in 87, the IRA killed 4 of the UDA and UVF’s top people, and threatened to kill more if another attempt was made. Even under FRU guidance only 15 or so IRA/Sinn Fein members were killed in the 90’s. Meanwhile over 30 UDA/UVF members were killed by the IRA and INLA in that same period. The only unit that was ever a match for the IRA was the SAS, which is the same group helping us kill REAL terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan. Ingram is a coward who would have been waxed by the IRA years ago, if they had ever wanted to waste thier time with his punk ass. As for the American connection, thier isn’t one case of MI6, MI5 or the FRU dismanteling an American arms network, most of which were controlled by NY, Chicago, Philidelphia and Boston Irish mob groups. This loser is trying to sell books, nothing more. Real operators don’t go around bragging about the shit they did, not do they reveal tactics and intelligence. You don’t hear Delta, SEAL 6 or CIA, SAD officers, talking on national media, how we target and kill Al Qaida leaders. This guy is a maggot, and he needs to admit that his side lost…pure and simple.

  • lib2016

    The leading unionist party, the DUP face a split whichever way they turn, whether they decide to accept powersharing with republicans or whether they don’t.

    This is the most crucial decision faced by any political party in the last eighty years or more since NI was imposed upon the Irish people in order to avoid just this outcome.

    And we’re talking about a shadowy spook and his wild unproven allegations.

    Who benefits? More to the point, why are the Brits putting up such distractions to facilitate the DUP?

  • AUSTRALIA HAS AN OVERSEAS SPOUSE QUOTA FIXED AT 30,000 A YEAR
    —————————————
    PHILIP RUDDOCK is now Australia’s Attorney General.Philip Ruddock is also known as the “Walking Cadaver.”
    —————————
    The following is an article from the “Sydney Morning Herald”September, 17th, 1996.
    “MIGRANT LAW MAY SEPARATE MARRIED COUPLES
    The Government will cap and kill applications by Australians to bring their overseas spouses into Australia a move which would see long-term separations of married couples unless the Opposition allows through the Senate tough new measures to curb applications.
    The Minister for Immigration, Mr Ruddock,said the draconian move,allowable under present law but never used in relation to spouses, would help curb huge increases in applications for spouses, some of which were shams, but others ‘a fraud on Australians’.
    Under present practise,applications for offshore spouses to come are allowed regardless of the quota set.Mr Ruddock wants to enforce his quota by a cap and queue regulation, making applicants after the qouta is reached to wait, possibly for months, until heading the queue for next years intake.
    But in the face of Labor opposition in the Senate, he threatened to use his general cap and kill power to terminate applications made post-qouta.This would force Australians to apply again next year on equal terms with next year’s applicants, causing indefinite separations.
    Mr Ruddock’s threat, which contradicts the Coalition’s strong pro-family rhetoric but is part of a clampdown on migration numbers,was denounced by Labor’s immigration spokeman, Mr Duncan Kerr, as social engineering.
    The Opposition last week knocked off in the Senate one of several changes to regulations to tighten elegibility for ‘preferential family’ migration,available to spouses and aged parents.Mr Kerr told the Herald Labor would also disallow Mr Ruddock’s ‘cap and queue’ regulation.
    Mr Ruddock told the Herald that if people who had already applied were allowed in,the progam would overstep this year’s 36,700 quota by about 13,000.Rather than allow an overshoot, he would use his general power under current law to cap and kill,unless Labor stopped trying to micro-manage his immigration program by disallowing regulations in the Senate.
    Mr Kerr said that ‘Australians have always exercised their own choice on who they’ll marry,and I don’t believe any red-blooded Australian will allow the Government to force couples to queue up to live together.Now he’s saying if he can’t queue them he’ll cut them off.
    ‘If you meet and marry in January,thats OK,but if you’re a December bride or groom you mightn’t be able to get your spouse in for years.’
    Mr Ruddock said he did not regard cap and terminate as the best outcome, but if it is necessary I will be applying it.
    He said Labor had maintained a steady 37,000 quota for four years,before lifting it last year to 50,000.Many people had reported partners ‘walking out the door as soon as they arrive in Australia.’ ‘The fraud is being occasioned on Australians by people seeking to migrate,’ he said.
    Mr Kerr blamed the increase on the wash-up of the Tiananmen Square massacre,under which Labor granted 40,000 Chinese people refugee status.But Mr Ruddock said there rises in applications accross the board, and the percentage increase was as great in England.”
    ——————————
    JOHN HOWARD-The Lying Rodent.John Howard wants free trade but not the free movement of people.He thinks Australias biggest assets are its sheep, coal and uranium not people.He says he has the final solution to our problems “Too many people.”
    ——————————
    The Blacklist
    “Philip Ruddock gazetted regulations when he was Australia’s immigration minister[number S241 of 1997] to stop visitors from many countries coming to Australia and among them is Poland.[Israel is also on the list as well as the following countries-Bangladesh, Burma, Cambodia, Chile, China, Colombia, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Egypt, Fiji, Greece, Hungary, India, Iran, Jordan, Lebanon, Macedonia, Mauritius, Nauru, Pakistan, Peru, Philippines, Portugal, Romania, Samoa, Slovakia, Sri Lanka, Syria, Tonga, Turkey, Ukraine, Uruguay, Vanuatu, Vietnam and Yugoslavia].”
    More at
    http://nowhiteaustralia.blogspot.com/
    And
    http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/Let-Them-Drown.html
    And
    http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/LetThemLand.htm
    And
    http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/Child-abuse.htm

  • Martin Ingram aka Ian Hurst is a liar

    The person who calls himself Martin ingram but is in fact ex Int Corps SSgt Ian Hurst (known as rocky) is a liar of the highest order. His book STEAKNIFE is almost complete fiction, as are his assertions that Martin McGUINNESS was an agent of the state. He is dementedly lying completely about his past service in FRU. He only ever served in sleepy backwaters of the Province and never came face to face with anyone except low level eyes and ears agents. He never ran STEAKNIFE or even met him. In short, his book is a complete fabrication based on god knows what. He endangers the lives of serving and former soldiers as well as civillians with his ridiculous fairy tales. Hopefull he will appear in court at some of the current inquiries and investigations so he can be shown to be the liar he really is.This story is from http://ingramis.blogspot.com/
    This message is from http://jackgrantham.blogspot.com/

  • ingrammartin

    Hi,

    Just to correct a few points if I may.

    The issue about me lying to Liam Clarke first.

    In a private conversation between me and Liam Clarke who was ALREADY working upon the Martin McGuinness story I DID lie to him BUT that happens day in day out between TWO JOURNALISTS TRYING TO PUT ONE OFF A STORY and to preserve the interests of the Sorces.

    The following week that the World broke the J118 story broke about McGuinness the SUNDAY TIMES carried a story sourced from a senior security figure that McGuinness was an AGENT codenamed the fisherman working for MI5. I do not believe that angle but WE BOTH BELIEVE HE IS AN AGENT OF THE STATE.I repeat the Sunday Times named McGuinness as an Agent FACT .

    Summary.( Smile)

    Over this last six years I got it right about Seagate and the Stevens fire ( Lord Stevens confirmed that to the press)

    I got it right about collusion. I wrote a piece in the Irish news dated Monday 11 12 2000 well before Lord Stens reported that institutionalised collusion would be proven.(smile)

    I got it right about Notorantonio. Orde confirmed that to Charlotte Notorantonio.(smile)

    I got it right about Corrigan ( I told the BIRW about that in 1999)

    I got it right about Stakeknife and the role of Freddie Scappaticci ( Not many real Republicans would argue on that one )(big smile)

    I stand by my claims about J118 and the BIRW have made a report about the involvement of Agents in the Human bomb strategy which was controlled by McGuinness.

    I predicted Sinn Fein would join policing, I stand by the second part of my claim that both Adams and McGuinness will retire from Sinn Fein within two years. Adams for the Irish president job and McGuinness will just take a back seat and fade into the night, after all Job is done IRA decommissioned and British rule cemented by the GFA.

    Have a nice day .

    Martin. Slack Jack.

  • mickhall

    martın,

    Do you really belıve the electorate of the RoI would elect Mr Adams to the Presıdency, he may stand for the job, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

    I have no ıdea whether you are correct about McG and you yourself have admıtted that you do not have absolute proof. However nothıng would surprıse me and I am a lıttle surprısed that no one ıs lookıng at McG and hıs mate,s recent travels, when they have been vısıtıng varıous ‘radıcal’ organısatıons actıng much as ıf they were the Harry Enfıld TV charıctor proclaımıng, ‘you dont want to do that’, on whose behalf one wonders.

    True many scumbag journos lıe and decıeve to get a story out, however as ın most walks of lıfe such behavıor ıs contemptable, the more so when dealıng wıth the ıssues you have specıalızed ın sınce leavıng the Brıtısh army. Surly ıt ıs not who fırst get the news upon the table that ıs ımportant, but that the ınformatıon gets out there so that ınformers, murderers and those UK state employees that ran them come ınto the publıc lıght of day.

    After all the maın reason so many of us fınd McG and Adams behavıor so wretched ıs because they both are prepared to lıe at the drop of a hat to get theır own polıtıcal way.

    Regards.

  • ingram

    Hi Mick,

    The conversation between me and Liam was not an on the record conversation between a source and a Journalist but between two journalists who are working on the same story. I take your point though on working towards a common goal of the truth and I accept that it matters not who Breaks the story but that the story is published.In future I will take heed of your advice.

    In respect to Mr McG. In a similar way to Freddie, very difficult to have evidence which would stand up in a court of law but myself like Father Faul know he to be an Agent because of the way certain things happened ( Faul was involved) and the way he is protected by the state.

    I remain convinced as do many Republicans. Both Adams and McG have steered the goodship Irish Nationalism/ Republicanism onto the British rocks. Sooner or later the truth will surface but you can bet your last dollar that it will be after the principles have moved on to pastures new .

    In respect to the following comment made by you I have to say that I enjoyed a momentary smile quote After all the maın reason so many of us fınd McG and Adams behavıor so wretched ıs because they both are prepared to lıe at the drop of a hat to get theır own polıtıcal way. unquote

    Well what I would say to you and others is that you cannot say you were not warned about their long term strategy.Afterall Anybody who believed Adams when he said he could deliver a United Ireland by 2016 should be sectioned.

    Martin.

    PS. Mick I have lost your e mail drop me a line please.

  • mickhall

    Martın,

    Am away at the moment, when I return home I wıll post you my emaıl address, although you seem to have eıther lost the skılls Betty Wındsor,s subjects paıd to have you crafted ın or got a lıttle careless of late by losıng such thıngs 😉

    Take care

  • It is really pathetic to see this site allowing
    ‘Martin Ingram’, or is it ‘Ingrammartin’?, recycle all his black propaganda about all kinds of covert operations, thanks to Jack Grantham, whoever he is, triggering a most belated response.

    Nothing that ‘Martin Ingram’ or ‘Ingrammartin’ has claimed about anything has been proven. In fact, his claims about Eoin Corrigan have been igrnoed by the Smith Commision into the killings of Breen and Buchanan, perhaps explaining why ‘MI’, or is it ‘Im’?, has gotten onto his lecture box again.

    And for Mick Hall to have engage in this deception is disgraceful.

    And don’t expect me to engage in this sort of dreadful debate – what the site is notorious for – unless it takes on some kind of wider public relevance.

  • Gareth Wallace

    Dear Sir, Just read the post from our Force Recon Marine friend and was very intrigued! My comments are below.

    I was born and brought up in Northern Ireland, in 79, I moved to London in 98 to University and studies Politics.

    I current work as a political researcher to the UK parliament for a charity.

    My degree thesis was “British security policy in Northern Ireland 1969-present”

    A couple of observations.

    The loyalists though as you say not as competent as the IRA considerably outnumbered them, there is evidence to suggest that the IRA ceasefires were helped by the IRA’s on republican community being fed up with being killed by the loyalists (something I deplored) but never the less a factor.

    The IRA were highly skilled, so highly that the UK could not put away the South Armagh Brigade of the IRA until the late 90’s.

    it is true that things got dicey in the early 90’s but this was only really on the surface.

    The UK and RUC were never at risk of losing Northern Ireland. mainly because the majority of people in Northern Ireland want to be British.

    The IRA simply didn’t factor this into their calculations over the years.

    The unionists were biased, treated the Catholics badly, and the British forces in 68 and 69 ninitially did not know what to do.

    When the did decide what to do they started a process of criminalisation and normalisation i.e. one can never stop every bomb and bullet by military means alone, so lets take politics out of the equation and say, look if you want to be British or you want to be Irish that is fine, just don’t do political murder.

    in fact by the late 90’s even the SAS were doing arrest operations not OP/reacts (ambushes)

    The dark world of informers and M16 and wider British aims e.g. Donaldson was never really tapped and we probably won’t know for some time how truly dirty the dirty war was.

    Similar I am sure to the sub legal process of American rendition of terror suspects for extreme interrogation in dodgy countries, or Git-mo bay itself!

    my basic point is that the Brits overall strategy was de-escalation and containment. They let the terrorist burn themselves out.

    Yes the Baltic exchange bomb distorted the UK insurance market, yes the Brits did not want bombs in London, but by the late 90’s the IRA were in retreat.

    The problem with the war on terror is just that!

    Its been called a war.

    The IRA called themselves an Army, i.e. state legitimacy, a nation within a nation, freedom fighters etc, even though there is already an Irish govt in the Dail in Dublin.

    Its all about community support and national legitimacy, Hamas, American war of independence, the ancient Britons against the roman’s, the Jewish ‘terrorists’ against the British in Palestine, ETA against Spain, its all about rival government and political legitimacy.

    We need to be careful that we don’t get blinded from the deep politics by the immediacy of military engagement.

    Obviously this is a huge topic and will be for many years!

    Thanks for your post,
    kind regards
    Gareth
    gareth_wallace@hotmail.com

  • Martin Ingram Aka Ian Hurst is a liar.Soldier of Fortune.Mercenary.Only interested in making money.He is a con-man who will sell his lies to anyone who will pay for them.He is a court jester and a clown.
    The person who calls himself Martin ingram but is in fact ex Int Corps SSgt Ian Hurst (known as rocky) is a liar of the highest order. His book STEAKNIFE is almost complete fiction, as are his assertions that Martin McGUINNESS was an agent of the state. He is dementedly lying completely about his past service in FRU. He only ever served in sleepy backwaters of the Province and never came face to face with anyone except low level eyes and ears agents. He never ran STEAKNIFE or even met him. In short, his book is a complete fabrication based on god knows what. He endangers the lives of serving and former soldiers as well as civilians with his ridiculous fairy tales. Hopefully he will appear in court at some of the current inquiries and investigations so he can be shown to be the liar he really is.

    This message comes from http://www.jackgrantham.blogspot.com/