Sinn Fein looking for high profile candidates…

Interesting titbit in the Sunday Independent today. Apparently the party has approached the captain of the victorious Cork team, Seán Óg Ó hAilpín. A good move for the party if it is going to reverse the set backs it has had in gaining traction amongst the middle class vote in the Republic. But at 28, and with his attention more on building his own business than a career in politics, Seán Óg turned them down. Even so, it is a strong indication of the party’s determination to finally move outside its working class base.

  • Henry94

    Many hundreds of Irish people have bbought property in Bulgaria over the last few years. Over 300,000 Irish people own property abroad and Bulgaria is said to be good value.

    So no matter how much mood music, allegations and conclusion drawing you apply to it a property transaction is of itself not unusual.

    It will be up to the program to establish if anything unusual was going on and if there is a political connection we should worry about.

  • Ringo

    m

    I don’t want to get into what the unionists have done. However, I can’s see how you can say that of republicanism. It has come up to the mark on every score.

    I believe you. It is a failing of republicans to see that it is a bit late to be choreographing the wind up of the IRA in 2005. This delay essentially ensured that the necessary momentum and meagre goodwill generated in 1998 disapated. Not to mention Columbia, the Northern Bank job, and the assorted day-to-day criminality that republicans, whether on an individual or organisational basis are engaged in.

    And unless you know something I don’t, I don’t think the IRA have put all their arms beyond use yet, in line with the agreement.

    I’m tempted to ask whether you’ll be satisfied before you see Martin McGuinness standing naked in the Republican plot at Milltown among a pile of newly-decommissioned armalites singing the Sash with a union jack draped over his shoulders.

    No, just Martin doing his job as minister for Education, or whatever, in a fully functioning executive after seeing to the end of the IRA’s arms and criminality will do nicely.

    Henry –

    does it not strike you as unlikely that the authorities in the Republic would pick someone as closely connected to the inner circle of the government and the highest echelons of the financial services sector to be stitched up for this? Aren’t these the sorts of people that we usually complain about being beyond the reach of the law? Surely they could have just pinned it all on Ted Cunningham instead of risking the reputation of the fincancial services sector in the Republic and the Taoiseach’s personal judgement?

  • Richard Dowling

    MCT,

    My last posting was just my way of saying we will be better
    served by PC Plod, in the long run, than by any ‘pc plot’
    devised in Hollywood.

  • Henry94

    Ringo

    I’m not claiming that anyone is being stitched up by authorities in the Republic. I’m waiting to see where the evidence leads.

    Surely they could have just pinned it all on Ted Cunningham instead of risking the reputation of the fincancial services sector in the Republic and the Taoiseach’s personal judgement?

    I’m not sure what you are getting at. Phil Flynn faces no charges I’m aware of in relation to money-laundering. Neither does Ted Cunningham.

  • Ringo

    Henry,

    Both are under investigation by the CAB. If you accept that there is no political motivation behind the investigation, then surely it is being carried out in good faith and with good reason?

    Whatever about Cunningham, I am more than willing to hold fire in relation to Flynn, but I can’t see how they’d have risked getting it totally wrong.

    As a matter of interest, where does £2m in sterling in a bin out the back, found not long after a £26m bank robbery, where the only suspects are the IRA, turned up in an investigation into IRA money laundering lead? Be honest…

  • middle-class taig

    “And unless you know something I don’t, I don’t think the IRA have put all their arms beyond use yet, in line with the agreement.”

    They’ve done a damn sight more to implement the agreement than either the British or the unionists.

    “It is a failing of republicans to see that it is a bit late to be choreographing the wind up of the IRA in 2005. This delay essentially ensured that the necessary momentum and meagre goodwill generated in 1998 disapated. Not to mention [assorted allegations]”

    With respect, cobblers! Decommissioning has turned out to be EXACTLY what SF said it was; a dirty, mendacious excuse to keep republicans under the whip. Now that it’s being completed apparently its “currency has been devalued”.

    I’m sorry, but nationalists don’t fall for this crap any more.

    “As a matter of interest, where does £2m in sterling in a bin out the back, found not long after a £26m bank robbery, where the only suspects are the IRA, turned up in an investigation into IRA money laundering lead?”

    How do you know it was an “investigation into IRA money laundering” and not an easy peg to hand the republican movement on.

    Richard Dowling

    If PC Plod wants my trust, he needs to start earning it. It’s there to be won, but not as they’re going about it now.

  • Henry94

    Ringo

    As a matter of interest, where does £2m in sterling in a bin out the back, found not long after a £26m bank robbery, where the only suspects are the IRA, turned up in an investigation into IRA money laundering lead? Be honest…

    If there had been no bank robbery and “security sources” were briefing journalists that the money was from smuggling I’m sure you would have been quite willing to believe it. Or would you have said “Two million? No way! Too much!”

    If the IRA did have a money laundering operation then I imagine they would have a few million in there at the worst of times.

  • Richard Dowling

    ‘Middle-class taig’

    More pc nonsense.

    Where in the world (apart from Iraq) do the Police services
    start out by trying to win people’s trust? They start out by
    enforcing the law impartially (and with natural reserve and
    common decency, if they are prudent — now there’s an old
    fashioned word). It seems to me as if the PSNI and the Gardai
    are miles ahead of anything that the Provos and the Loyalist
    thugs even conceive of as justice.

    Just look at the punishment beating some ‘republican’ thugs
    inflicted on Denis Bradley (a decent ‘green’ representative on
    the NI policing board) in Derry last evening. What a shower of
    cowardly idiots. What an indictment of the ‘community policing’
    being advocated by the Provisional IRA.

  • middle-class taig

    Richard

    “Where in the world (apart from Iraq) do the Police services start out by trying to win people’s trust?”

    I don’t care. It’s what they have to do here, having gratuitously and grotesquely abused catholics and republicans for generations.

    “They start out by enforcing the law impartially (and with natural reserve and common decency”

    That would do for starters.

    “It seems to me as if the PSNI and the Gardai
    are miles ahead of anything that the Provos and the Loyalist thugs even conceive of as justice.”

    I wonder would Mrs Finucane agree.

    “Just look at the punishment beating some ‘republican’ thugs inflicted on Denis Bradley …. What a shower of
    cowardly idiots.”

    I agree.

    “What an indictment of the ‘community policing’
    being advocated by the Provisional IRA.”

    That’s an unbelievable stretch.

  • Ringo

    How do you know it was an “investigation into IRA money laundering” and not an easy peg to hand the republican movement on.

    Because the investigators said it was. And they should know, they did the investigating.

    Why do you continue with the fantasy that republicans stopped doing bad things the day you started voting for them? It forces you to come up with highly unusual scenarios and conspiracy theories. Go on, call the Duck a Duck.

    Henry,

    One way or the other, I would doubt that there was a legitimate reason for storing £2m in a bin.

  • Henry94

    Ringo

    One way or the other, I would doubt that there was a legitimate reason for storing £2m in a bin.

    I don’t think anyone would dispute that. But there are countless illegitimate reasons. Early confidence expressed by the police and politicans that forensic evidence would link the haul to the Northern Bark robbery has proved misplaced.

  • Ringo

    I don’t think anyone would dispute that. But there are countless illegitimate reasons. Early confidence expressed by the police and politicans that forensic evidence would link the haul to the Northern Bark robbery has proved misplaced.

    Have you heard anything to the contrary since then? I don’t think I have.

  • Henry94

    Ringo

    We were through this in
    March

    and

    June

    Now it’s September and there’s still no sign of Godot.

  • middle-class taig

    But it’s mere allegation that SF is involved in any wrongdoing. You want me to accept otherwise?, well, if you pardon the expression “show me the money”.

  • Henry94
  • Richard Dowling

    “Taig”

    The Provisional IRA were trailblazers in the black art of
    punishment beatings. Both in theory and application.
    Crucifixions, kneecappings, water torture, burning, head shots
    and blunt trauma injuries. Now Gerry Adams and his Sinn Fein
    community activists stand, arms akimbo, lecturing others on
    how to administer justice. What a joke.

    You’d think the murder of Robert McCartney never happened,

    Of course, the PSNI will never measure up to the high
    standards being set by the IRA. Who could, and live to tell the
    tale? All their heroes seem to dead ones. And we know how
    deep THEY are buried.

  • Ringo

    Now it’s September and there’s still no sign of Godot

    LOL! Have a bit of patience, man. Sure we’ll probably be going ’round in the same circles in a few more months time too. It doesn’t prove or disprove anything, nor does it change the facts as we know them.

    But it’s mere allegation that SF is involved in any wrongdoing. You want me to accept otherwise?, well, if you pardon the expression “show me the money”.

    I doubt very much that this allegation will ever be proven. Not that that means anything one way or the other.