Daily Ireland petitions British government for advertising

I’m not big into on line petitions. It’s not clear what weight the carry with the petitionee. But this one is interesting. Daily Ireland has a petition going to get the British government to advertise with them. If you wish to support them you can sign up here. It will be interesting to hear the outcome. In particular, to hear exactly why the British are not choosing to place adverts with them.

  • peteb

    Interesting, Mick?

    To paraphrase the DI’s claim – “Help, help, I’m being repressed.”

  • fair_deal

    Maybe the Larne Times should launch a petition too their circulation is higher ;P

  • yerman

    And if you believe the rumours, the Larne Times circulation figures might be a little easier to believe.

  • smcgiff

    The Queen’s Shilling?

    Just goes to show the subsidised mentality NI society finds itself in when you’ve got a Newspaper like Daily Ireland looking for funding from, ‘da enemy’.

  • Dec

    smcgiff

    Isn’t the issue here that the British Government advertises with DI’s marketplace competitors but not DI. Level playing field rather than Queen’s Shilling.

  • smcgiff

    Dec,

    I’ll go as far as…

    A level playing field to receive the Queen’s shilling.

  • John East Belfast

    They should send it straight back stapled to that hate filled, pea brained as well as small minded article by Livingstone.

    That piece was nothing about journalism or even rational thought out opinion. Newspapers that publish the like should not feel they have some automatic right to gain access to government expenditure.

    Of course we had the last laugh on Livingstone

  • beano

    I thought the government were trying to make incitement to hatred illegal, not subsidise it.

  • oh, it hurts

    Can’t. Stop. Laughing.

  • AJP Taylor

    So far they have a massive 12 signatures.

    Well that’s about 40% of the readership.

    Where are the other 16 lazy bastards, why haven’t they signed up?!

  • fair_deal

    It’s up to 13 but as you can recognise almost all the names it does seem to have gripped joe and josephine public’s imagination yet.

  • fair_deal

    Correction

    It does NOT seem (I really must start using the preview option)

  • pacart

    Who said satire was dead? I had a look at the site to see that “community groups across the North” are wading in in this “campaign against discrimination.” I take it these are the same “community groups” set up or taken over by SF this past few years. Perhaps someone should take a look at the employment practices of these “community groups” to see how they match up to fair employment practices. Anyway, the party discipline is impressive, Stalin would be impressed.

  • Baluba

    When you’re all finished sniping you can go ahead and sign it, because I’m sure you’re all in favour of fair play.

  • AJP Taylor

    “Danny Morrison

    Daily Ireland, Peter, may well help your country leave here like gentlemen. So think positive, think of your long-term interests.”

    What the Hell does that mean?

  • brian

    Beano/AJP Taylor,

    Clearly unashamed sectarian bigotry is alive and well.

    Beano ” I thought they were trying to make incitementto hatred legal”

    AJP Taylor “Where are the other 16 lazy bastards”

    1. AJP – I buy the paper each day. Have you EVER read it? PS I’m proudly working in the same job I’ve had for the past 20 years thanks.

    2. BEANO – I’m more surprised at you as your comments are usaully a lot more considered. Please provide the links to support your comments please.

  • Oilbbear Chromaill

    Reading the comments of AJP Taylor, Beano and the other unionist fellow travellers, I’m reminded of the old proverb at home: what do you expect from a pig but a grunt!

    Apart from putting a 3% dent in the circulation of the Irish News in its first three months of operation, Daily Ireland has built a firm base from which it will make future inroads.

    The likes of the Irish News, the Newsletter and the Telegraph have enjoyed huge subventions in the past in the form of British Government ads – we’re talking millions of pounds here. It might be interesting to find out whether there’s a tendering process for such ads and any examination of the value for money of the process as it stands.

    The fact is that DI has a sound base from which to build – 10,647 All Ireland sales is not bad after just three months. It’s a pro Agreement newspaper – and you would imagine the British Government would applaud that and welcome it rather than fund anti Agreement rivals to the level it does.

    Then again the British misGovernment has no concept of the idea of a fair and level playing pitch.

    There’s a lot of talk on here about ‘the Queen’s Shilling’ – of course the reality is Mrs Windsor gets all our shillings from the taxpayers – ie the likes of me and some of the contributors here – it’s public money. And therefore it should be dispensed fairly not divvied up among a cosy comfortable cartel.

    This also shows that Daily Ireland is having an impact far beyond its growing sales…

  • pacart

    Baluba, sign up for what? They are getting fair play, their circulation does not justify the expense of advertising, they can’t give the damn thing away.

  • Gum

    Not really true now pacart!

    Anyway, whatever its politics, the DI is much better than the Irish News, which continues to ‘dumb down’ its content. If the summer editions of the Irish News were all you read, you would think the activities on Channel 4 of a blonde attention seeker from North Belfast was the most important issue facing us today!

  • AJP Taylor

    “Have you EVER read it?”

    I’ve read it on the internet plenty of times. As for buying a copy, I wouldn’t give Marty Millar the time of day, let alone my hard earned cash!

  • beano

    Just out of curiosity, do they get job adverts from the southern government or do they discriminate against nationalists too?

  • idunnomeself

    The purpose of Government advertising is to communicate with their target audience

    Not to ‘support’ newspapers.

    As DI sells far less papers than the others and as it markets in the ROI, I doubt that it is seen as a very cash effective way of communicating messages to NI citizens.

    Most of its readers are in West Belfast, but if I wanted to target them I’d advertise in the Andytown News

    OC- interested to know where your ‘millions’ figure comes from

  • AJP Taylor

    Beano

    Good point. I see adverts in the paper all the time from Dumfries and Galloway Councils – are these local authorities suddenly anti-Catholic bastions of Paisleyism because they don’t advertise in the DI as well?

    Or alternatively, nobody advertises in it because no bugger reads it.

  • AJP Taylor

    “I’m proudly working in the same job I’ve had for the past 20 years thanks”

    You must be incredibly bored. I know I would be.

  • TAFKABO

    “It’s a pro Agreement newspaper – and you would imagine the British Government would applaud that and welcome it rather than fund anti Agreement rivals to the level it does.

    Then again the British misGovernment has no concept of the idea of a fair and level playing pitch. “

    Ollie.

    These comments are almost as funny as some the stuff one would find in the Daily Ireland itself.
    If only you could see the irony in arguing that the government should be funding it because it promotes the correct political viewpoint, and then moving directly on to criticise the government for not having the remotest concept of fairness and a level playing field.

    Shinnerspeak could give Orwell a run for his money.

  • irishman

    [Keep to one thread, or it’ll be treated as spam – ed Mod]

  • cash

    Well it’s been a while but I’m back…

    Glad to see that unionists are still fighting for the last piece of pudding – let’s see, you’ve held us at a barrel of a gun and one party rule for years; you’ve continued to oppress us even in today’s society with intimidation etc etc. etc. But the one that gets me is – you’ve already had us on the right not to have free speech, with media bans on everything green, so now when we’re really close to having parity of esteem on most levels you still won’t give an inch and allow DI on the same advertising budget as everyone else?

    Logic?

    Typical unionist biased and scared ethos.

  • Haggis

    Moderate Unionism :

    “Moderate Unionist to me is quite simple.
    You accept that not everyone shares your view and they’re entitled to disagree. You don’t shoot them because of it.

    You don’t let someone’s politics prevent you having a friendship with them.

    You strongly disapprove of sectarianism, from whatever source, and have no time for paramilitary violence”

    Daily Ireland :

    “I thought the government were trying to make incitement to hatred illegal, not subsidise it”

    Interesting perspective on moderate Unionism there Beano, [which presumably includes freedom of speech, level playing fields etc], however uncharacteristically inequitable it may appear.

  • Elvis the dog

    Can’t stop laughing either. And when I get close to stopping, I think of Oliver Cromwell’s ‘3 percent dent’, and laugh some more.

    What statistical tests do they run on their figures I wonder? Can the Provos count past 11?

  • smcgiff

    ‘What the Hell does that mean?’

    Peter Hain, the target of the petition.

  • Snapper

    Once again may I congratulate the DI for getting up the noses of all the usual tolerant unionist noses on this post. For a paper that is so pathetic and incapable of selling more than 28 copies it is doing one hell of job in forcing some free-speech lovers to comment here.

  • Snapper

    Must preview my posts more – 1 set of noses getting annoyed is quite enough.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    I just noticed the url of the petition. “www.petitiononline.com/direland/petition”

    I think they have a new nickname now.

    “”community groups across the North” are wading in in this “campaign against discrimination.””

    You never know, some may just be angry enough to buy a copy.

  • PS

    I can never understand the bile directed towards the Daily Ireland by some on this website. Personally I don’t read the paper, I did for a while but I’ve reverted back to the Irish News basically on the strengths of the sports coverage, which probably says more about my dislike for change than it does about the relative strengths of either paper.

    Some don’t like the Daily IReland because of its political bias, have they read the News Letter lately, THe DI is nowhere near as one sided. Could you imagine the News Letter getting a Sinn Féin councillor to write a column?!

    The Daily Ireland is based in Belfast and is a Belfast paper in a similar category to the IN, NL and BT. It may not yet have the same levels of readership but considering what happened the DIly View, it hasn’t done badly so far. If government jobs are advertised in its 3 main competitiors, then why not in the Dily Ireland? Is its editoral line the problem? If it is, we should know about this.

    And as far as looking British money is concerned, nothing would please me or many of the Daily Ireland readership more than if governmental jobs in Belfast were under the realm of the Irish government. Unfortunately, they aren’t. But then I suppose the Daily Ireland is at fault for that as well?

  • Oilbhear Chromaill

    Can’t stop laughing either. And when I get close to stopping, I think of Oliver Cromwell’s ‘3 percent dent’, and laugh some more.

    What statistical tests do they run on their figures I wonder? Can the Provos count past 11?

    So whines Elvis the Dog in a post above.

    I’ll keep it simple for him – the source for the 3% dent figure is the Irish News itself which conceded in the 20th (or so) paragraph of a piece claiming an increase in readership (where did they get that from?) on Wednesday that they had a 3% drop in circulation according to the ABC. Given that the Irish News claim that the DI only sells 3,000 copies in the north ( I remember when they were claiming that was the TOTAL circulation for the paper) the maths is pretty simple to do over the circulation periods concerned.

    Isn’t it amazing that this circulation dropped AFTER the Irish News pumped £12m – much of it from the income generated by British Government ads no doubt – into the newspaper’s redesign. I can’t say I’ve noticed any improvement….

  • Denny Boy

    “I can’t say I’ve noticed any improvement….”

    They can’t get the staff I suppose. Apart from Doran himself, the worthy Newt, Brian Feeney and one or two other columnists, they have no heavyweights. Plus the “leisure” sections seem to be penned singlehandedly by the awful Jenny Lee so that doesn’t help either.

  • Fanny

    The desperation on display here is hilarious. Daily Ireland has been a disaster that has revealed the staggering arrogance and control-freakery of Shinnerism at its most self-deluding. Not only did they really want to knock the Irish News out and replace it with their own newspaper – but they actually believed they could do it in next to no time and with next to no effort.

    Daily Ireland appears to have only cost the Irish News 1,300 daily sales.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    It’s an excellent idea. I also see no reason why Slugger shouldn’t have a piece of the pie. If you agree sign here.

    Let’s see if we can beat 25.