Arms move in the offing?

The overture begins. Martin McGuinness has signaled (very candidly) that the process of decommissioning of the IRA substantial armoury may have already begun – ironically, by saying he was not going to talk about what might be happening at this moment. Such is the game of cat and mouse between journalist and politician in these parts. There’s no expected statement from De Chastellaine as yet. However, there’s little doubt this act will materialise, when others in the past did not. McGuinness alludes to the IRA’s recent statement, which appears to bind IRA volunteers to such an act.

  • peteb

    Mick.

    I’d suggest this should be filed in the ‘nudge, nudge, wink, wink’ journalism category.

    There is nothing to report.. all we’re getting is the preferred narrative.

    And we’ve been there before.

  • Mick

    You always say that. And usually something happens just after you say it. 😉

  • peteb

    I think you’ll find I’ve a better track record on predictions than the journalists who promote the preferred narrative ;p

  • Dessertspoon

    Hello fellow opinionated contributors – Whilst any move to decommission is welcome do you think it will have a major impact on the political front? Will the DUP be moved to move? If not how long will we have to wait? The DUP may feel that as they don’t have any input to the process of decommissioning (this is a unilateral move by the IRA)they don’t have to take any notice of it.

  • BogExile

    Arms move in the offing?

    Nice phrase. I suspect that after we have all the poorly boxed AKM’s on a bonfire near Pomeroy forest or where ever the ‘offing’ will continue – they’re just too used to the delicious and perverted power over life and death to be weaned off it for the sake of some dubious tactical advantage.

  • Jo

    AS mentioned elsewhere, 11 years after one ceasefire and after months in which Loyalists have killed left right and centre, we see sections of the communities filled with a more intense and visceral hatred than at any time since the 1970s. One front page headline today features a discussion about sectarian would-be killers discussing how they would saw up a Catholic man’s body as he lay desperately pretending to be already dead.

    Someone once posted that if several trucks of arms, Semtex et all were delivered on the steps of Stormont and hundreds of IRA men and women shot themselves before detonating all the trucks, it wouldn’t convince some Unionist politicians…so I reckon the delivery of “product” will be seen as an anticlimax.
    That doesnt mean that from a historical perspective it isnt important. It remains to be seen how many of the current leaders of Unionism will be mentioned in any history book.

  • Anne Dunne

    “shot themselves before detonating all the trucks” Jo? That’d be worth watching. In the foot perhaps?

  • Jo

    Anne..lol…foot and typing fingers in mouth syndrome again!

  • Dec

    ,i>One front page headline today features a discussion about sectarian would-be killers discussing how they would saw up a Catholic man’s body as he lay desperately pretending to be already dead.

    Jo

    Did you read the entire story. It seems the victim went to a friends house ( a protestant). These 3 turned up and upon discovering their fellow visitor was a Catholic, immediately began stabbing and beating him. As he feigned death they continued the assault only stopping when two left to fetch a saw. The man at that point managed to get out of the house before he was caught, stabbed again and left for dead.

    Now this is a pretty horrendous incident. Even more so when you realise that two of the murderers remain at large despite their identities being known to Police. The victim himself is unhappy at the PSNI handling of the case. Incidents might also explain why, when Mary McAleese made her comments about sectarian hatred in the North, about 45% of the population didn’t express shock or outrage but quietly nodded in agreement.

  • irishman

    Given that you haven’t opened a thread on the sectarian blockades in Belfast, Mick, I’ve decided to put this comment on several threads.

    The disgraceful scenes on the Springfield, Crumlin and Ligoniel Roads are yet another indictment of the sectarianism running through the PSNI and unionist political leaderships.

    The PSNI have facilitated the protests inconveniencing largely catholic commuters and schoolchildren.

    Meanwhile, Paisley and Empey have threatened attacks on catholic communities if the Orangemen do not get the chance to parade through a catholic area to celebrate as UVF gunman killed after murdering a catholic in Belfast.

    Mick, shame on you for ignoring this while putting up threads on other issues. I seriously doubt that you would have avoided setting up such a thread if the protestant commuter belt of north Down had been blockaded by nationalists for three days.

    Incidentally, I’m not the only republican wondering if blocking protestant commuters coming from North Down and South/ East Belfast may be whatis necessary to make the unionist people rein in the dogs of war they have let loose on catholics this summer.

  • The Watchman

    Dec,

    Doesn’t Ant tell you when you’re typing nonsense? Psychosis isn’t confined to one side.

    Here’s a scenario to see if you’re sincere. If you had information about a brutal stabbing committed by IRA members, would you go to the PSNI?

  • curious

    Yes, but I’d probably use the confidential telephone

  • paul

    “Given that you haven’t opened a thread on the sectarian blockades in Belfast, Mick, I’ve decided to put this comment on several threads.”

    2 attempted loyalist murders today also, no thread.

  • Dec

    Watchman (I loved your comic)

    I never said Psychosis was confined to one side however the particular brand of sectarian violence n(“Oh look a taig, lets saw him up”) is originates predominantly from unionism/loyalism. Care to swap examples?

  • fair_deal

    Irishman

    “The disgraceful scenes on the Springfield, Crumlin and Ligoniel Roads are yet another indictment of the sectarianism running through the PSNI and unionist political leaderships.”

    1. So one community denyng access to a public road to another community constitutes a sectarian act. Hmmmmmmm interesting.
    2. Nationalists during a number of protests have blocked the motorway and other roads (in fact they did so over a previous Whiterock parade that had been given permission and on other issues). If it is a legitimate protest for nationalists why can Unionists not do the same? More double standards?
    3. People are angered by the decision. The anger is being channelled into peaceful protest. How is that disgraceful? Is that not good? There are plenty who would want to channel it in different ways would you rather they are given free reign?

    “Paisley and Empey have threatened attacks on catholic communities”
    MICK THIS COMMENT IS POSSIBLY LIBELOUS

    1. Unionists leaders have called for peaceful protest.
    2. The Orange Order has called for peaceful protest
    3. The Moderator of the Presbyterian Church has called for peaceful protest.
    4. The local newspaper the Shankill Mirror has called for peaceful protest.
    5. Don’t judge the Unionist political leaders by the low standards of republican leaders. Leaders of the UVF and UDA do not take direction from the leaders of the UUP and DUP. Read their publications were they line up to slag off the two parties and the leaders.
    6. Are these the same political leaders that roundly condemned recent rioting in the area? Something Sinn Fein couldn’t manage in Ardoyne in July.

    “Incidentally, I’m not the only republican wondering if blocking protestant commuters coming from North Down and South/ East Belfast may be whatis necessary to make the unionist people rein in the dogs of war they have let loose on catholics this summer.”

    Well that will have the leaders of the UVF and UDA quaking in their Caterpillar boots.

    PS. There are others besides Mick with access rights to create threads including nationalists and republicans are they all in on this conspiracy of silence?

    I am now away to get ready so I can be denied Article 9, 10 and 11 of the European Convention of Human Rights by a community that claims it wants an equality and human rights agenda and wants to share power but can’t share a road.

  • The Watchman

    Dec,

    I notice you didn’t answer my question. Therefore I assume that, no, you wouldn’t inform the PSNI confidentially or otherwise if you saw an IRA stabbing. Therefore your argument has no merit whatsoever. You’re simply using the issue to score political points.

    Loyalists may indeed be more spontaneous in their savagery. But what difference does that make? Republicans are equally sectarian, it’s just that they can rationalise their wickedness by dehumanising their victims to a “Crown Uniform”.

    PS, how’s Cat Deeley keeping?