JoBlog joins the NI Blogosphere…

Despite appearances, I’m not back to full blogging until next week. The NI blogosphere is growing all the time. The latest to join in the fun is Slugger regular Jo. Here she digs into Toby Harden’s Bandit Country.

  • levee

    Good to see the level-headed Jo with her own blog. The NI blogging community is burgeoning at the moment. I think Slugger needs to do a round-up at some point!

  • beano; EverythingUlster.com

    Dropping a hint levee? 😉

  • bertie

    I’m beginning to feel very left out. Everyone seems to have one. I wouldn’t know where to start and am just glad that others have gone to the trouble.

    Good luck Jo

  • Fraggle

    Jo describes herself as intelligent in one line and a ‘typical libran’ in the next.

    draw your own conclusions people.

  • Macswiney

    Judging by Jo’s comments on the ‘New us un’s’ thread she is either very naive, very uninformed or a whole lot worse… The Catholics not liking hard work comment is reminiscent of The Big Man’s rallies in The Ormeau Park circa 1972. I await with baited breath…

  • beano; EverythingUlster.com

    Macswiney now you’re not quite telling the truth. She, jokingly, said something about Sinn Fein supporters not liking hard work. Something very different from suggesting Catholics don’t like hard work.

  • Mick

    Jo’s blog is refreshingly eclectic and done with a light touch.

  • peteb

    With some interesting photos.. Hmmm.. Mick?..

  • Macswiney

    This is well-versed data Beano, but 60% of Catholics (approx) would support SF judging by the most recent election results. Her comment was disgraceful and whether or not Jo’s blog is deemed by some to be ‘eclectic’ I’m afraid most tend to judge a book by its cover. I could go on for longer but I’ve got work to do…

  • yerman

    Correct me if I’m wrong – no doubt someone will – but were the rallies in Ormeau Park around 1972 not organised by Vanguard and thus would have featured David Trimble and Reg Empey and not Ian Paisley?

    Vanguard Rally

    You may well have work to do, but obviously not in researching some of your claims.

  • Biddy

    I’ve just had a “gleek” at ‘Joblog’. If you’re looking for more witty repartee at the Catholic Communities expense (as demonstrated in the ‘New us un’s’ thread) then it’s worth a look!

  • yerman

    Biddy – I’m afraid you’ll have to point out the ‘witty repartie at the Catholic Communities(sic) expense.’

    For the life of me I just cant see it. Unless you happen to have a problem with someone having a pop at the IRA, vaguely derogatory comments about Orlaith from Big Brother or is there some deeper hidden ‘repartie’ that has just whooshed straight over my head which will have the ‘Catholic Community’ up in arms?

  • slug

    Yerman I couldn’t see anything at the catholic community’s expense either but there you go.

    Great, refreshing blog, Jo.

  • beano; EverythingUlster.com

    “60% of Catholics (approx) would support SF judging by the most recent election results”

    Probably closer to 40% given the 60% turnout but whatever. I don’t accept the line connecting one to other. The perceived reluctance to work, which was joked about in the first place, if it exists, is much more likely to stem from socialist leanings (which Sinn Fein supposedly have) than anything to do with religion or nationality.

    But don’t let me take away from your victimhood.

  • Fanny

    All criticism of Sinn Fein is anti-Catholic bigotry. Is this the next defence of the indefensible?

  • Mick

    There was a mildly anti Catholic barb in Jo’s jibe. But hey, it was mild in the extreme compared to some of the verbal brickbats we have had on Slugger in recent weeks. It certainly doesn’t warrant a witch hunt.

    If we were to run such a fine tooth comb over most people’s contributions to Slugger, we’d have to cull the nearly 75,000 comments logged here in the last twelve months by half (at least).

    So, unless you believe all your own posts would pass such stringent test conditions, try to take it (as the smiley she posted afterwards clearly signified) as it was intended, and laugh it off.

  • Jo

    Thank you folks, well, most of you for visiting. I hope to see more and do more.

    As for light touch, I believe a little subtlety wouldnt go amiss now and again, given the barbarity which passes for *freedom of expression* from time to time.

    I can imagine the red faces and hiehgtened blood pressure as people skimmed my earlier SF related post, but as the more discerning have noted, all is not always what it appears. I enjoy Slyugger and will hang around – for a little Libran balance. 🙂

  • Yoda

    GEHRRRLLSS!

  • Jo

    How many of the 60% of Catholics who support SF understand the anger of 99% of the Unionist community about Sean Kelly?

  • Colm

    Jo is the best thing since sliced bread.

  • yerman

    What was the best thing before sliced bread?

  • beano

    Jo is th ebest thing since bread. 🙂

  • Jo

    Too kind, too kind….

  • martin

    Good luck with the Blog JO

  • Colm

    yerman

    At first there was nothing….. then there was sliced bread… then there was JO !

  • bertie

    Colm

    after perusing the AWT site I suspect you have an ulterior motive ;0)

  • Colm

    I wouldn’t know an Ulterior motive if it sat on me!….. as I said on ATW I’m a good catholic boy, I don’t have thoughts like that 😉

  • Headmelter

    good luck
    it’s worth having a look at.

  • Jo

    Flirtation and politics are NOT mutually exclusive! I may rub…er RUN a piece on that soon… 😉

  • bertie

    Colm
    “I wouldn’t know an Ulterior motive if it sat on me!”

    wishful thinking?

  • bertie

    Jo
    they do say power is an aphrodisiac!

  • Jo

    “I wouldn’t know an Ulterior motive if it sat on me!”

    ..I’m sure that was calculated phraseology, good Catholic boy or not! 😉

  • Colm

    “I wouldn’t know an Ulterior motive if it sat on me!”

    I knew that phrase would excercise smutty minds. be of to confession the lot of you !

  • Macswiney

    Jo,

    You have got a major obsession with Sean Kelly. I’ve lost count of the number of posts where you’ve mentioned him! So 99% of protestants are angry about him eh? What about the dozens of loyalists terrorists who are wreaking havoc on both communities at the moment. Do you find yourself stressed out and angry about this crew?

    Back to your obsesseion with Kelly. Yes, I understand that Kelly would be a source of anger bearing in mind what he did. However, both his arrest and subsequent release smacked more of political expediency than anything else. Surely some of your anger should be directed towards Hain who used both his arrest and release for his own ends?

  • Jo

    I’ve got a major obsession? I’ve mentioned the guy 3 times, possibly now, 4 with this post.

    Q:
    Why do you think that might be? Huh?

    A:
    He is a prominent mass murderer who killed innocent civilians, including kids, in a sectarian massacre less than 12 years ago.

    Now that might be a little inconvenient blip on the road to SF embracing democracy – which they could have done, say, the same time the Officials packed it in when Ranger Best was killed, saving thousands of lives in the meanwhile – but there are plenty who aren’t as forgiving or as politically expedient as certain Secretaries of State you mention.

    Kelly is hardly a “hero” and any attempt to laud him as such should be repugnant to any shred of morality remaining in the Catholic community and a severe embarrassment instead of a cause celebre to the SF leadership.

    I have no time for loyalist terrorism whatsoever and resent any allegation that I have – but it is in full self-destruct mode at the moment.

    If I continue to press SF on their past – it wasn’t me who claimed the IRA “haven’t gone away you know” – its a reflection of my belief that only pressure will result in action. If there was similar political representation on the Loyalist side (and despite Davy Ervine’s efforts, there isn’t) I would press them too. But don’t make such damn silly insinuations about anti-Catholic prejudice when you have no idea of my background whatsoever, apart from the fact that I remind people of the needless blood the IRA have spilled to get them precisely no further on than we were in 1974.

  • Macswiney

    Jo,

    1. Who said Kelly was a hero? Not me if thats what you are implying.

    2. By using the comment “any shred of morality remaining in the Catholic community”, you have illustrated my comments about your thinly-veiled anti-catholicism for me. That comment is condescending and sectarian. Full Stop.

    3. I am not the only contributor who has referred to some of your comments and your blog being anti-catholic. Read the threads.

    4. I find thinly-veiled and partially disguised sectarianism every bit as objectionable as the real thing. Atleast with the bigots you know where you stand, however objectionable they may be.

  • Fraggle

    I don’t understand why people are so upset about the re-release of Kelly now when a majority of unionist voters voted for him to be released in the first place.

  • Foggey

    From reading Jo’s Blog (and a good blog it is!) my advice would be to change the wording of some remarks, as in change “Catholic Communities” to maybe “Republican Communities”???? All due respect Jo, I’m sure your intentions are totally admirable, but it does sort of come across to the reader that you’re tarring the entire Catholic community with the brush of Republicanism when that isn’t strictly the case.

  • Jo

    Foggey:

    Thank you for that. 🙂

    However, I – and many others – see a seemingly inexorable march towards the two descriptions having a common referent. Thats a democratic choice, but I don’t and won’t accept historical airbrushing.

    As for other comments about my anti-Catholicism, they are utterly, utterly bigoted in their assumption about my background.

    So much for anti-clericalism and support for dissent that the rest of the world associates with the concept of “republicanism.” Go find a new word for it…

  • Foggey

    Thanks for the response Jo.

    But i have to disagree with you there about seeing both descriptions having a an increasingly common referent – thats my democratic choice by the way ;-). A look at the election results of Foyle in Derry – with one of the largest concentration of Catholics in the province – will tell you that not all Catholics support Republican ideals. Mark Durkan was elected with a landslide slice of the vote.

  • Macswiney

    Jo,

    You are on thin ice here and i will not allow you to label myself or others who have used our right on this forum to comment on some of your anti-catholic comments to be labelled as ‘bigoted’. In my case I regard that as a blatant falsehood and I will be taking it furher.

    As for your comments above that you were only having a (legitimate) pop at Republicans rather then Catholics, how come you have still failed to jsutify what “any shred of morality still remaining within the catholic community” means? No mention of the word Republican there, just catholic.

    Your use of the phrase “common referent” here is deeply alarming as you are justifying your use of religous-based terminology everytime you have an issue with republicans. In doing so you are introducing your own brand of revisionism by reintroducing the use of every political argument in terms of ‘catholic’ and ‘protestant’.

    I feel that the rset of us moved along a long way from those days Jo. You may be naive in terms of the minutiae of local politics but it is all the more raeson to be careful with your posts.

  • Jo

    Actually, I won £50 by backing Durkan.

    I didn’t swallow any of the utter guff here from blustering Derry SF supporters talking about how “confident” they were.

    Arrogance contains the roots of its own downfall.

    Take that “further.”

  • Jo

    Oh well, last week I got chewed by Unionists spitting fury at a dead woman, this week others call my attitude “anti-Catholic”.

    Must be doing something right? 😉

  • Colm

    Jo

    “Reason is achieved when you are attacked by 2 polar extremes at the same time”

  • bertie

    “Reason is achieved when you are attacked by 2 polar extremes at the same time”

    Please tell me that neither of you (Jo and Colm) beleive this

  • yerman

    You do get the feeling that a rather large handbag would be the most suitable accompanyment to some of the comments here from our angry posters!

  • Jo

    Hmmm…I think Polar bears rather than extremes would do well to be wary of me at the moment..hang on, dont they date back to the Neanderthal era….ahh it becomes clearer to me… 😉

  • Colm

    bertie

    Your right. It’s illogical nonsense. i just thought it sounded an appropriate quote to follow Jo’s comments about being attacked by Loyalists and republicans.

    Actually to be fair to macswiney , he does have a good point to make about Jo’s use of the word catholic. It would be more appropriate jo if , in your comments about politicised communities you used the terms ‘nationalist’ and ‘unionist’ rather than religous references, however closely parallel the interwined identitites may be.

    yerman

    What point are you trying to make about handbags!

  • Jo

    Actually I think the criticism earlier about my usung the term “Catholic community” was a little off, with reference to Joblog. For instance, my entire blog on south Armagh didnt refer to Catholics once.

    Given that, at the next Westminster election, there will be one SDLP MP at most, I believe that I am right in making reference to the exorable monopolisation of Catholic representation (at one level anyway)by Sinn Fein.

    I dont like using the term Republicanism to describe SF as that accords a degree of social radicalism – when I believe that the Republic they seek has no place for anyone other than those of a Catholic background. I know Im odd that I haven’t been convinced otherwise by 37 years of bombings and shootings, but hey, I’m just stubborn.

  • Foggy

    Jo,
    by your logic then should the Loyalist Paramilitaries that are currently terrorising both Protestants and Catholics out of their homes in the province be referred to as “Protestant Paramilitaries” in future?
    I certainly don’t see Loyalists as representative of the Protestant community as a whole, as the majority are law abiding and peace loving citizens just looking to get on with their lives – the same as their Catholic counterparts.

    Is it fair to refer to one religion in such a tone simply because Sinn Fein/IRA are mainly of the Catholic faith?

  • Jo

    They are (largely) Protestant paramilitaries but I did understand that the LVF in Holywood included some Catholics? 😉

    I have just seen Gerry Fitt on TV talking about how his conscience wouldnt let him support the hunger strike.

    Therefore he lost the 83 election. Funny, though, how that word “conscience” doesn’t appear in the vocabulary too often of SF politicians – perhaps 40% of Catholics who dont vote SF still have consciences?

    A weird world, my masters.

    Except, of course, I have no masters.

  • Foggy

    I do, and it isn’t worth the paper it’s written on for all the good it’s done in me in finding a good job! *apologies, a terrible joke*

    Jo said: “Funny, though, how that word “conscience” doesn’t appear in the vocabulary too often of SF politicians – perhaps 40% of Catholics who don’t vote SF still have consciences?”.

    Oh Lord! I can see there is no talking to you Missus. I’m away now to find my conscience, and my misplaced work ethic too for that matter. I hear both are buried somewhere near an arms dump and Big Ian’s statement in response to attacks on Catholics in his North Antrim constituency.

    I wonder where his conscience is???????…..

  • Jo

    Ack, now ye wouldnt be takin me for a supporter of the Big Man just cos I mention “conscience”, would ya? Cos that wid just be an ignorant sorta assumption an all…if ye still have a conscience, have it surgically removed. HMG have plenty of jobs once ye get that qualification.. 🙂

  • Foggy

    “Ack, now ye wouldnt be takin me for a supporter of the Big Man just cos I mention “conscience”, would ya? Cos that wid just be an ignorant sorta assumption an all…”

    Of course it is! Just like assuming all Catholics are supporters of SF/Republicanism is an ignorant assumption!

    And I’m afraid I already work for HMG, that’s why I’m looking for a good job!

    Over and out Jo! 😉

  • Jo

    “Of course it is! Just like assuming all Catholics are supporters of SF/Republicanism is an ignorant assumption!”

    ..and one, of course, which I have never made.
    May be a lot of things, but ignorant…?

    😉