Could DU(P) better…

THE DUP is still coming under fire for not doing enough to combat sectarian attacks in the Ballymena area, and with a loyalist parade in Rasharkin tomorrow night, more trouble is expected from the knuckledraggers behind the violence. Concerned about future republican activity, the DUP is saying plenty about the imminent demise of the RIR and police station closures. Yet it has said comparatively little about those who present the biggest threat to both its unionist voters and Catholic constituents in North Antrim – the loyalists that DUP politicians were content to be seen mingling with in Ballymena recently. If the DUP expended half the energy it does on giving off about the IRA threat of violence (real or imagined) and channelled it into ending loyalist attacks, we might get somewhere.

Nevertheless, PA reported that a DUP spokesman said his party was treating Gerry Kelly’s comments “with contempt”, given his background.

“Sinn Fein/IRA has terrorised the community for 35 years spreading violence and criminality,” the spokesman said.

“Even yet they refuse to give information to the police.

“The DUP position on all attacks is clear. Our representatives have condemned wholeheartedly all such attacks and have asked anyone with information to help the police.”

The position is so clear that we had photographs in the Press of Councillor Robin Sterling of the DUP’s ‘spiritual wing’ standing beside someone waving a UDA flag the other night at a loyalist protest against a republican parade in Ballymena.

Perhaps the DUP is afraid of losing support in its terrorist-supporting fanbase.

So even when Paisley finally did speak out against the widespread campaign of loyalist intimidation against his constituents, it rang somewhat hollow.

Paisley said: “Last week when the mayor (of Ballymena, DUP councillor Tommy Nicholl) unreservedly condemned any and all such attacks, he spoke with the authority of my party and it goes without saying that I too condemn these attacks and call for them to end.”

It most certainly does not “go without saying” that Mr Paisley condemns loyalist attacks, since his words have contributed to them happening in the past. On holiday or not, there’s little doubt Mr Paisley should have had plenty to say about a low-level terrorist campaign in his adopted home town.

Equally, when the PSNI officer responsible for policing Ahoghill – where many of the loyalist attacks have taken place recently – remarks that “[t]here`s no doubt that there`s an element of sectarianism, but also an element of people just not getting on with each other”, one wonders what exactly churches and schools have to do with any disputes between individuals.

Such attacks on identifibly ‘Catholic’ targets are naked sectarianism, and while they may not have the sanction of any organisation (or even if they do), it does not absolve the PSNI of the fact that they are policing a very small village with next to nothing to show for their investigation.

  • looking in

    I think to any impartial viewer this post says it all – the DUP are typically standing to the side whilst mayhem ensues, not that they could be accused of occasionally being up to their oxters in it. So what, get a few place-men to denounce it – hows about getting the big hitters (Paisley oligarchy, Robinson, Campbell, Dodds, Wilson) out and about sympathysing with THEIR constituients (i.e. not the prods with flags and masks).

    Otherwise an impartial vierwer might have suspicions that their politics are somewhat partial in outlook….

  • aquifer

    The Brits failure to bless the DUP’s most ‘loyal’ with a touch of the royal rapier says a lot.

    One of us?

    Never Never Never

  • Grammaticus

    Thos attacking the DUP for “not doing enough” would do well to remeber that the Democratic Unionist Party doesn’t exercise the same level of “community control” as the brave men of Sinn Fein/IRA. Words are all the DUP has, unlike Sinn Fein who break the legs of anyone who disobeys.

  • ulsterman

    You reap what you sew. Those Republicans who marched so provocatively in Ballymena recently will soon be ruing the day.

    Time to clear out the enemy once and for all.

    God Save The Queen.

  • La Dolorosa

    Grammaticus – what about Ulster Resistance 9The Red Beret Brigade) and I seem to remember The Revd. Willie McCrea befriending that man of peace, Billy Wright……….

  • spirit-level

    I appreciate you running this post gonzo

  • Blackadder

    “You reap what you sew. Those Republicans who marched so provocatively in Ballymena recently will soon be ruing the day.

    Time to clear out the enemy once and for all.

    God Save The Queen.”

    You mightn’t have noticed that the only people clearing out of NI are young educated Protestants,which will lead to the decline of that population.

  • Dessertspoon

    Too true Balckadder and not just the Protestants either. For a while there was hope that we could keep this talent but if you’re not in the legal profession or the medical profession your chances are slim here. What price politicians who’d address “real” issues?

  • DaithiO

    Ulsterman … “Those Republicans who marched so provocatively in Ballymena recently …”

    It must be stated that Sinn Fein opposed that parade, they asked the organiser to cancel it and were ignored. I clearly heard the bandsmen shout “INLA” on the BBC reports.

    So the person who claims that the IRA control communities would appear to be wrong. If they did “control” them as you say, as in the alledged attack on a man called Tohill, then you would be screaming about a breach of the ceasefire and we all know that it’s Loyalists who ignore the peace process these days !

  • Grammaticus

    “who ignore the peace process these days !”

    The implication being that republicans ignored it in the past. Interesting….

  • 9countyprovience

    “You reap what you sew. Those Republicans who marched so provocatively in Ballymena recently will soon be ruing the day.

    Time to clear out the enemy once and for all.

    God Save The Queen.”

    I guess some people just can’t help living up to their stereotypes. Hey ‘Uncle Andy’, this is a forum for debate, not the bulletin board in ‘the kneebreakers’ pub.

  • Jo

    Having see U-mans attitude here, his remark on the McCartney sisters being involved from the start in “a money making scam” now at leats seems consistent…to be ignored henceforth.

  • Fanny

    Didn’t we establish some time ago that ‘Ulsterman’ is a republican troll?

  • la Dolorosa

    Dearest Fanny – can you enlighten me as to what you mean by ‘troll’ and is the term only applicable to one section of the ‘community’ /political belief etc…

  • Fanny

    Oh for F sake.
    A ‘troll’ is an internet term for someone who pretends to hold a particular view on a noticeboard to wind people up.
    There are loyalist trolls too, no doubt, you paranoid arse. Happy?

  • La Dolorosa

    Fanny – I just wanted clarification no need to be rude.

    Did you get out of bed the wrong side this morning?
    It was your method of using the term that made me question it that’s all.

  • Fanny

    Apologies.

    Ulsterman is, as far as I’m aware, a troll.

  • Jo

    Fanny:

    I’ve had to draw moderator attention to your posts before – can I suggest anger management?

  • Gonzo

    Sometimes it’s hard to distinguish the tone of what someone writes.

    You guys need to emote more…

    ;o)

  • la Dolorosa

    Fanny,

    ps. isn’t ‘fanny’ American English for ‘arse’… an own goal peut-etre??

  • Headmelter

    Strayed off the point a bit.

    “it does not absolve the PSNI of the fact that they are policing a very small village with next to nothing to show for their investigation.”

    I think this is pretty indicative of the partisan approach of the police. As posted on other threads if similar occurences were happening to protestants from Carnlough to Ballycastle you could be rest assured papa Doc would be home from holiday with a loud hailer and the district would be swamped with Trevors with numerous arrests made irrespect of due process and investigation.

  • Mike

    “I guess some people just can’t help living up to their stereotypes.”

    Or in the case of ‘ulsterman’, acting out the stereotypes he’s formed of other people.

  • Sandy Bay

    if similar occurences were happening to protestants from Carnlough to Ballycastle

    Sadly ‘heanmelte’ similar occurances are happening in Carnlough.

    Larne DPP were advised this week of 3 sectarian incidents against Protestant families in Carnlough in recent weeks.

    and BTW if you think this was maybe a 1 off, have a wee look at the Presbyterian Church in Carnlough and ask yourself why the windows have metal shutters on them.

  • suffolk_west_belfast

    sandy bay,

    If you think carnlough presbyterian church is bad you should see derry first presbyterian. Covered in paint and sectarian grafitti.

    When was that last on the news I wonder….

  • Headmelter

    Carnlough may have been a bad example due to the numbers of ‘holiday makers’ from other parts at this time of the year.
    The presbyterian church may have grills on the windows but it is not being paint bombed on a twice weekly basis over recent months.

  • Glensman

    “and BTW if you think this was maybe a 1 off, have a wee look at the Presbyterian Church in Carnlough and ask yourself why the windows have metal shutters on them.”

    Or alternatively you could look at the roof of the CoI church in Cushendall and recall that it was partly paid for by Catholic parishoners through collections at mass in St. Mary’s.

    🙂

    Glensman.

  • the big easy

    Sandy bay-some highly dubious claims about the attacks on protestant families in carnlough.I suppose you dont remember the 26th of june of this year?it was cemetary sunday in st john’s chapel and what a coincidence carnlough flute band were marching at the same time and disrupted the service by playing loud and the local lodge shouting sectarian slogans as they passed.local catholics were remembering their dead and were disgusted by the sick new lows of carnlough flute band by blantant anti-catholic sectarianism in a majority catholic village.Funny how these things dont make the news.Yes the presbyterian church has metal grills over the windows but the chapel in nearby Glenarm has as well due to the fact that it’s been attacked countless amounts of times and the catholic minority is regulary targeted.Paramiltary flags,painted kerbstones,threatening graffiti and attacks on the minority community.Yes this may be the make up of Glenarm but not Carnlough.For the record im unaware of any attacks on protestants in the carnlough area.I would appreciate if you got your facts right and ceased trying to give places a bad name

  • Sandy Bay

    ‘the big easy’

    The facts were reported by Chief Inspector David Hanna of the PSNI at the meeting of the Larne DPP last Tuesday night.

    He reported that reported sectarian attacks in the borough had almost been eradicated in the last 3 years, but had not stopped altogether.5 incidents in the borough were reported in the last quarter, of which 3 were in Carnlough, involving a republican element in one of the housing estates.They were acts of intimidation against local(very much minority) Protestant families. Ring and ask him for details if you want to check out the facts for yourself. Thank you.

    I suggest that this is more factual that the unsubstantiated ramble that is your post above.

    The fact is there are sectarian scumbags on both sides of the community. People like you can delude themselves that it is only one sided if you want.

  • the big easy

    You think i’m making false claims?you didnt deny the behaviour of the carnlough flute band or the sectarian attacks in glenarm.I can assure you these are genuine incidents

  • Sandy Bay

    Look son

    I don’t know or care whether you are making false claims or not.

    Was this alleged incident with the flute band reported in the press? Were you a witness to it?

    You said that the claims about sectarian attacks against protestants in Carnlough were ‘highly dubious’. I have given the source of this and have invited you to check it out if you so wish. In return you make sweeping statements about the catholic population of nearby Glenarm being ‘regularly targeted’ and there being metal grills on Glenarm Chapel- so that makes the fact that there are metal shutters on the windows of carnlough PCI alright then?

    Ergo you are justifying attacks on the minority population wherever or whoever that minority are. Luckily for you see school starts back next week.

    Anyway this little bit of whataboutery was provoked by ‘Headmelter’ who now explains that, wait for it:

    “Carnlough may have been a bad example due to the numbers of ‘holiday makers’ from other parts at this time of the year.”

    And who would these holiday makers be and from where would they come from?… Unitarians from Sandy Row? Possibly disgruntled with the Presbyterian Church’s adherence to the Westminster Confession of faith??

    The point is again people… there are scumbags of both sides of the community, who are quite prepared to harass and attack the ‘other sort’, particularly if the other sort are in a vulnerable minority situation. This sorry, nay pathetic, state of affairs is exacerbated by our esteemed elected representatives- particularly DUP and Sinn Fein types- being slow, reticent, reluctant and equivocal in condemning their ‘own side’. It also doesn’t help that the PSNI often resemble a bunch of politically correct uniform social workers.

    BTW glensman:
    I have no doubt that the example of the RC community in Cushendall in assisting their CoI neighbours in their Church Roof Appeal is far more typical of Glensfolk, just as the actions of the young people at High Kirk Presbyterian in removing the graffiti on Harryville Chapel is far more representative of Ballymena folk.:)

  • the big easy

    Sandy Bay-For your information i was in attendace at cemetary sunday for a deceased relative and duly reported the band for their disgusting behaviour to the parades commission.I dont understand why your trying to suggest Carnlough is a hotbed of anti-protestantism.Your mearly trying to stir up tension whivh normally wouldn’t exist until the orange order march or misinformed people like you make unhelpful comments.I unequivocally condemn the circumstances which forced the presbyterian and methodist churches to have grills on the windows.I presume your from larne.I would ask you to worry about the state of your own town.Larne,without a doubt is one of the most anti-catholic towns in ireland and the catholic population has suffered greatly in that town with useless dup and uup doing little to prevent it.Concern yourself with your own area and stop trying to create problems in other areas

  • Sandy Bay

    I give up