Ireland is now a 'legitimate' target

Probably not totally unexpected, but deeply depressing nevertheless, The Belfast Telegraph reports that Anjem Choudary, who has close links to the infamous hate preacher, Omar Bakri Mohammed, said the use of Shannon Airport as a stop-off for US warplanes justifies Ireland being attacked.

Are we well equipped for this after 30 years of ‘home grown’ terrorism and conflict which have left an indelible mark in the hearts and minds of people both North and South?

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Islamic cleric says Ireland is a ‘legitimate target’

By Mick McCaffrey
17 August 2005

A notorious British-based Islamic extremist has said Ireland is a “legitimate” target for al-Qa’ida terror attacks.

Anjem Choudary, who has close links to the infamous hate preacher, Omar Bakri Mohammed, said the use of Shannon Airport as a stop-off for US warplanes justifies Ireland being attacked.

The solicitor (38) said: “If your government wants to support the atrocities in Afghanistan they can expect some repercussions,” and added that Ireland had “opened itself” to attacks from radical Muslims linked to al-Qa’ida.

Choudary even said that terrorists have the right to kill indiscriminately since American bombers did not pick and choose military targets in Iraq.

CONDEMNING

He said he was “not in the business” of condemning terrorist attacks in Britain and Ireland and added: “What you need to do is you need to be responsible and you need to look after your national security.

“If people slipped into Ireland from Iraq, Afghanistan or elsewhere, where the Irish are standing side by side with the butcher of Baghdad, George Bush, then they would have a legitimacy for that type of thing.

“That’s not my personal opinion but your asking me what it says in the Koran.”

Choudary believes that Ireland has risked being targeted by opening up Shannon to planes transporting US troops to Iraq.

“Obviously if Ireland is allowing their land to be used for planes to fly and to bomb Muslims, then those Muslims will obviously have a right to retaliate, it goes without saying.”

He also criticises Irish Muslims, saying they’ve been “stripped of their Islamic personality through secular education. On the one hand they’re not willing to speak up and on the other hand they’re intimidated into being docile.”

Choudary joined Omar Bakri Mohammed’s al-Muhajiroun extremists in the late 1990s and became the cleric’s spokesperson and advisor. He hailed the September 11 attacks as a “towering day in history” and hailed the hijackers as “magnificent martyrs”.

Among the targets that the extremist believes are legitimate include hospitals, women and children.

“So this is the nature of war, people don’t make love in war do they? They’ll kill each other. If you fire a nuclear weapon they will fire a nuclear weapon back.”

  • Brendan

    Big fat hairy b*llocks…….

  • Alex

    Osama says “Who?

  • smcgiff

    Osama says “Where”?

  • Gerry Lvs Castro

    ”He also criticises Irish Muslims, saying they’ve been “stripped of their Islamic personality through secular education. On the one hand they’re not willing to speak up and on the other hand they’re intimidated into being docile.”

    Which just goes to show that you can’t please a religious nutcase. Today’s events in Iraq, where presumably Islamic ‘insurgents’ slaughtered innocent Iraqis and then bombed the hospital where the injured were being taken, graphically illustrates the complete inhumanity of the deeply religious.
    All governments, including Ireland, should rest assured that Al Qaeda and it’s cohorts will find any excuse to attack any western country at will.

  • Jo

    I hope this isn’t ominous – Peter Taylor recently highlighted “warnings” by A-Q henchmen a few months before major bombings in Casablanca and Madrid.

  • smcgiff

    It’s not Muslims, Protestants or Catholics that commit atrocities, but people. The very act of committing atrocities removes their being a Muslim, Protestant or Catholic.

    They may continue to identify themselves with a religion, but they “excommunicate” themselves by their act.

    A Muslim doesn’t bomb civilians.
    A Protestant doesn’t attack Catholics.
    A Catholic doesn’t attack Protestants.

    People do.

  • Gerry Lvs Castro

    ”They may continue to identify themselves with a religion, but they “excommunicate” themselves by their act.”

    If only this were true McGiff. The sad truth is that ‘holy’ books such as the Koran and the Bible are open to massive interpretation, and it is often the rhetoric from the pulpits which spur the deluded on to acts of extreme savagery, with the promise of an afterlife in reward.
    Far from being excommunicated, many of these sad suicides are lauded as martyrs and heroes by their own clergy and fellow devotees.
    As long as gullible people believe this nonsense, these senseless atrocities will continue.

  • Fanny

    For once, it seems, the problem with organised religion is that it isn’t organised enough.
    Islam has even less of a leadership structure than the UUP. What they need is a pope.

  • Two Nations

    Sure was it not the theories of Darwin that made some people classify the Aboriginies as being ‘flora and fauna’, hence leading to them having zero rights, being hunted and also being exhibited in zoos?

  • smcgiff

    ‘flora and fauna’,

    And eaten on Fridays? :-O

  • Gerry Lvs Castro

    ”Sure was it not the theories of Darwin that made some people classify the Aboriginies as being ‘flora and fauna”

    And was it not the theories of Christianity that led to slavery being justified, ‘witches’ being burnt, women being denied human rights and children being denied blood transfusions?

  • aquifer

    He has a point.

    But from him its an apologia for sectarian terrorism and murder.

    He should be chucked out, and let one of our local hatemongers carry his bag onto the plane.

  • Man Farang

    Fanny

    Caliph not pope!
    There are few calls for the restoration of the Caliphate in Islamic countries.

  • Napper

    Let’s get real for a moment.

    Anyone here who cannot plainly see that Bloomsday Gal is an agent provocateur is not facing reality.

    Simply review her last three or four posts.

  • aquifer

    And my cheque from M16 is late too

  • Bloomsday Girl

    Napper

    For you information I am not a ‘provocateur’ and I don’t where you get that idea from.

    I agree I was quite busy posting yesterday and I posted stories that I thought were topical and not all specifically about NI.

    Specific subjects that interest me are anti-racism, human rights, The World! etc and not always the traditional NI political stuff I am trying to think ‘ big picture”….

    ps I am also not a member of the blue rinse Tory brigade either.

    Sorry if I have offended your sensibilities.

  • Bloomsday Girl

    meant to read:

    ” I don’t KNOW where you get that idea from”

    (sorrry haven’t had my first caffeine injection yet).

  • Two Nations

    but GLC, your earlier post suggested that it was religion and religious people that were the cause of “acts of extreme savagery” in the world.

    My point is that some extreme acts of savagery have been carried out in this world with ‘science’ and politics being the root cause/excuse. Hitler killed in the name of racial superiority (Darwinism) and Stalin killed in the name of politics.

  • Gerry Lvs Castro

    ” Hitler killed in the name of racial superiority (Darwinism) and Stalin killed in the name of politics.”

    Hitler was born & baptised a Roman Catholic. He never renounced his faith, was not excommunicated and kept strong links with the RC church throughout his reign of terror. He apparently believed he was carrying out ‘God’s work’ and there is no evidence that he was an atheist or a fan of Darwinism. This myth has been spread recently by the fundamentalist Christian brigade.
    I hasten to add that this does not make his crimes any less unspeakable.
    Stalin’s crimes were agreed in the name of politics and were the sad and all-too-frequent result of absolute power in the hands of a mentally unstable individual.

    ”but GLC, your earlier post suggested that it was religion and religious people that were the cause of “acts of extreme savagery” in the world.”

    I didn’t suggest that ALL these acts were carried out by the religious. They clearly are not.
    But given that the religious consider themselves to be somehow morally superior to the rest of us, we might expect that cold-blooded murder would be off their agenda, rather than using their beliefs as an excuse for destroying those they feel to be ‘inferior.’
    In a 21st Century context, George Bush’s extreme Christian fundamentalist views are every bit as dangerous as those of Muslim extremists, and I for one find it extremely puzzling that religious fanaticism has returned with a vengance despite the rolling-back of so many myths and false beliefs through the acheivements of science.

  • smcgiff

    ‘kept strong links with the RC church’

    The Nazi’s took a very dim view of RCs, and quite a number ended their days in concentration camps.

    I don’t know the answer, but was it a priest (of any hew) that Married Adolf & Eva? I don’t think so.

    The Nazi’s were pretty much into the occult.

  • Gerry Lvs Castro

    ”Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)”

    As far as I’m aware Hitler & Eva were married in a ‘civil ceremony’, though the circumstances of the marriage may have prevented a religious representative being present.

    There is certainly evidence of some Nazis being into the occult, though Hitler condemned this practice.

    There is relatively little evidence for Hitler’s religious belief or lack of it, but I’d certainly like to see some evidence that he was acting in the name of Darwin or evolution.

  • Brendan

    The Nazis established their own church. Mein Kampf and a sword were placed upon an alter and worshipped in a sort of pagan/druid style ceremony

  • Shay Begorraa

    Though Anjem Choudary sounds like a hateful fool he does have a point – the Irish government did involve itself as part of logistical support for the illegal US initiated attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq.

    The use of Shannon as a waypoint for US troops undoubtedly breached our neutrality, it was almsot universally unpopular and I for one would be entirely happy to see Cowan and Ahearn blown to smithereens over it.

    If only it was just those two dumb sons of bitches whose life was threatened and not who ever happens to be the softest target when ever some addled young man gets his hands on some mother of satan.

  • alexander bowman

    Napper ‘ombre

    1/ allowing for the implicit transvestism adopted by some posters in their choice of noms de plume it may well be ‘provocateuse’

    2/ even if it’s not, agent provocateur to what particular end?

    I, and I think any other reasonable person, will agree that his/her purpose might be to provoke ‘debate’ but I sense you mean something quite other than that.

    Four postings in which you profess to discern a common theme…stance or purpose.

    Do share it with the rest of us or else refrain from impugning the integrity of a fair and balanced contributor.

  • The Binlid

    With all due respect I can’t really see there being co-ordinated suicide bomb attacks at central station or on the translink services around Belfast.

  • aquifer

    It takes the Scots to tell it straight:
    Scotsman

    – And a Scottish Muslim to agree with him

  • Biffo

    “It takes the Scots to tell it straight:”

    Indeed, what would Pastor Glass have had to say about it?

  • Indymedia

    Firstly I think that we should take this as a serious warning.

    If the cleric is right, and the Coran does provide for the use of force in self defence and retaliation against aggressors and their collaborators — then Shannon Airport could some day be the sight of an Islamic terrorist attack.

    Whereas violent retaliation isn’t permitted in international law (and so the Afghanistan war cannot be justified); self defence is still okay. The Americans are still fighting a war in Afghanistan and Iraq, and Ireland continues to be a part of those wars.

    Even during a time of war though there are some things, places and people who remain “neutral”, even if they are “with the aggressors”. The Coran and Bible include everything from orchards and wells, to people praying, the infirm and the young. It’s basically the same in international law too — with lots more restrictions added of course.

    Besides these exceptional places, people and things though, it’s a sort of free for all. So take Shannon Airport — it may be the most busy airport for U.S. military flights (including gunrunners hired by the Air Mobility Command) in Europe. If they would refuse to participate in the acts of aggression agains Afghanistan and Iraq — if they would refuse to help the aggressors — then they would continue to be a somewhat “neutral” civilian airfield. As it happens though they bend over backwards to accommodate the foreign fighters, gun-runners and torturers, for some rotten little sum of blood money.

    Its not for fear of being caught, or for fear of being punished by allies of the victims, that Ireland shouldn’t be a part of the war/terror coalition of Mr. Bush. However it may be, that as with Spain, it will take a terrible, heinous, unpardonable act by some Islamist suicide bombers to convince the Irish to stop this madness.

  • peteb

    Co-opting the use of a fundamentalist’s religious justification for terrorism [however artfully concealed] for your opposition to the intervention in Iraq puts you firmly in the camp of their useful idiots.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    GLC: “And was it not the theories of Christianity that led to slavery being justified, ‘witches’ being burnt, women being denied human rights and children being denied blood transfusions?”

    Actually all those things (‘cept maybe the blood transfusions) occurred all around the world, in one form or another, without the intervention of Christianity. There was slavery in Egypt and Rome’s pagan heyday, women were chattel under the Chinese emperors and the Mongol Khans, I’m certain that witches were punished for their sorceries during the pre-Christian period and children, while perhaps not denied blood transfusions, were certainly being mistreated in some fashion as a result of their native non-Christian cultures. Let’s face it, GLC, as a species, we’re a fair bunch of rotters, with or without religion.