Mowlam critically ill

A story that broke yesterday that hasnt been covered yet is that former Secretary of State Mo Mowlam is critically ill in hospital.

  • La Dolorosa

    It’s sad and poignant especially as another political breakthrough is occurring and she was so central to the GFA and really seemed to have a genuine passion for NI and the people.

    She really made a difference especially within a political enviroment traditionally dominated by men (and not the most evolved kind) in grey suits

    I hope she’s able to make a recovery.

  • Keith M

    I was very critical of Mowlem at the time she was SoS (once describing her as “as clever as she is beautiful”), but I now regret being so critical. In hindsight it is quite obvious that Mowlem wasn’t completly in charge of her faculties after her brain surgary prior to the 1997 election. It was a shame that such a person was in such a key position at a key time. I wish Mowlem a long life, well away from politics.

  • Dessertspoon

    Is that some sort of backhanded compliment Keith? Or just blatantly playing the woman not the ball. At this time, and in fact at any other, it is shameful and reprehensible of anyone to make such comments. Obviously the moderators aren’t moderating this thread.

  • Keith M

    Dessertspoon, I think Mowlem’s behaviour at the time (eg her phonecalls with McGuinness) and her statements since make any further comments unnecessary. The truth is never shameful.

  • Gum

    “In hindsight it is quite obvious that Mowlem wasn’t completly in charge of her faculties after her brain surgary prior to the 1997 election”.

    I am not a Mowlem fan either Keith but that is a particularly low comment to make.

  • Keith M

    Gum, I am a huge fan of Ronald Reagan (as an politician, not as an actor), and I would would say the very same thing about him during his second term as President.

  • circles

    Very understanding Keith – any SoS how doesn’t toe the right wing unionist line is obviously mentally ill.

    The truth is never shameful, but your remarks certainly are.

  • Bored

    Keith M – your inability to even spell the woman’s name correctly warrants your post as much risible as it is contemptible.

  • Gum

    I think you know there is a difference Keith.

  • thomas

    It is evident from Keith M post that the DUP are incapable of showing compassion if the person goes against their own beliefs – maybe you should look to your Bible and the parable of the Good Samarian! It explains why they were so quick to dismiss Paul Berry from their sect.
    If our past secretary of sate believes in a God I hope he (sic) is with her and even if she does not I hope she is not in pain.

  • TAFKABO

    much as I detested her politics, she is one of theose larger that life characters, and we would be the poorer for her loss.

    I’m hoping for a miracle.

    nice to see the selfrighteous brigade swing quickly into action.
    The same type of people that gloated and sniggered when rumours of Paisleys health were doing the rounds.

  • BogExile

    I never liked Mo but I’m ashamed of the snide comments from Keith M. Yuk.

  • La Dolorosa

    Keith – your vile comments are more suited to the toxic ATW.

    What about the snide and chauvisnistic comments of Papa Doc (Big Ian towards her).

    She put her heart soul and mind in to the GFA and she made a reallly positive impression on ‘right thinking’ people of NI of which there still are many.

    I suppose it also didn’t help that she was a woman and not the sort that the DUP like – one that’s tied top the kitchen sink.

  • La Dolorosa

    Keith – your vile comments are more suited to the toxic ATW.

    What about the snide and chauvisnistic comments of Papa Doc (Big Ian towards her).

    She put her heart soul and mind in to the GFA and she made a reallly positive impression on ‘right thinking’ people of NI of which there still are many.

    I suppose it also didn’t help that she was a woman and not the sort that the DUP like – one that’s tied to the kitchen sink.

  • Fanny

    It’s difficult to feel much sympathy for the woman who coined the term ‘internal housekeeping’.

  • T.Ruth

    When someone is critically ill we must pray and hope for their recovery as I do irrespective of the lady’s political views. Those not able to do that with sincerity should refrain from comment at such a time.
    T.Ruth.

  • Fanny

    Mo Mowlam is an atheist.

  • Jo

    Actually ATW ran some very benign comments on Mo. Shame others dont have it in them to show a little common decency. By their fruits shall we know them.

  • Colm

    Fanny

    “Mo Mowlam is an atheist”

    What has that to do with anything. It’s the believer who is choosing to pray to god for a persons soul – irrespective of whether the individual concerned is an atheist or not.

    Jo

    Well done for having the grace to defend ATW , even though you have had your run-ins with a certain co-host there.

  • mickhall

    I remember many many years ago Gusty Spence, on the death of Belfast Stick Joe McCann sent a message of condolences. I realize there has been much water under the bridge since then. But if we are to maintain any humanity there are times when we have to leave our politics at the door. If we are unable to do this, what hope is there for the future. And as far as im concerned, if anyone who is a believer chooses to say a prayer for Mo Mowlam, good on them for doing so.

    Regards to all

  • Jo

    Colm:

    I do try to be fair.
    Its not bad for an only fault! 😉

  • Jo

    Mick:
    The context of Gusty’s letter was that Joe had previously ordered the release of 2 UVF men who had wandered off the beaten path and were abducted by Officials from the Markets.

    Gusty appreciated this as a gesture of “soldierly” conduct and acknowledged Joe’s perception of himself as a “soldier” after he was shot, back in 1972. Rather different times.

  • barnshee

    “as clever as she is beautiful”

    Sad I know but the years were not kind to her –certainly in her 20`s she was a very attractive woman so on the basis of the vision in her 20`s she must have been very clever

  • RedPaul

    Cancer and cancer treatment inevitably effected Mo. Keith M. is shallow in his comments on ‘looks’ and intelligence. Given Mo’s battle with cancer his comments are even more appalling. Perhaps the nastiest comment i have seen here, particularly as it smacked of somebody who thought they were being so witty and profound.

  • GavBelfast

    I was never impressed with her, but, now, realising that her treatment was ongoing at the time of her appointment and after it, that is bound to have taken its toll on her in all sorts of ways.

    One can only wish her well with her illness.

  • Fanny

    62 people died through paramilitary violence during Mo Mowlam’s watch – not counting the 29 people and two uborn children at Omagh. That’s 62 people murdered by organisations whose ‘representatives’ Mowlam was gaily waving her wig at over tea and biscuits.
    They include: Robert Hamill, Sean Brown, Raymond McCord, Terry Enright, Damian Trainor and Philip Allen, Adrian Lamph, the Quinn brothers, Constable Frank O’Reilly and Elizabeth O’Neill.
    It would be nice to think these people would be remembered long after Mo Mowlam – although Mo Mowlam herself managed to forget them all straight away.

    Still, I suppose that might have been a side-effect of her illness.

  • Fishfiss

    I hesitate to say this but there is something archetypally Northern Irish in tone, this debate:

    I hate your views = I hate you = You’re stupid/ugly/insane/evil….no YOU’RE stpuid/ugly/insane/evil etc etc

    Yawn. I think parents will identify with the standard of debate on here.

    Grow up and F yiz all.

  • headmelter

    “62 people died through paramilitary violence during Mo Mowlam’s watch”

    How many more might there have been had she not made the effort along with various others?

    some other remarks on this thread don’t deserve a response.

    She was an interesting character and more colourful than we have been used to in these parts, if nothing else.
    Best wishes to her and her family.

  • Jo

    Perhaps an idea to make a mental note of some of the posters making such sickening comment for future reference and treat their views with appropriate respect henceforth.

  • martin

    MO MOLAM tried to do something positive for Northern Ireland–thats why she is hated by all the negative wreckers who oppose everything.

    I hope she makes a full recovery–and by the way what do the negativists suggest mo could have done to stop the killings by paramilitarys–Oh yes she could have told them to stop and they would have listened to her–yeah right.

  • redpaul

    62 died on her watch thus she deserves to possibly die of a brain tumour? Is this what is being implied above? Nice.

  • Fanny

    What I’m saying is that illness doesn’t absolve you of responsibility.

  • TAFKABO

    When Ted Heath popped his clogs a few weeks ago, there were a few articles saying he wouldn’t be missed.
    I didn’t notice any of our resident high horse riders saying anything about.

  • Fanny

    Kevin Myers, of all people, did a brilliant piece on that.

  • martin

    TAFKABO,

    Ted heath caused the troubles to worsen- Mo Molam contributed to making the 6 counties an almost peaceful place.

    You should dismount the dying mule that is Unionism.

  • Fanny

    Ha! Now we’re getting to the bottom of this…

  • Keith M

    Fanny ; “What I’m saying is that illness doesn’t absolve you of responsibility.”. I think it’s a bit unfair to hold Mowlam fully responsible for her tenture as SoS. Her antics at the time (and many actions that only came to light after she was moved into a job where she could do a lot less damage) obviously demonstrate that her brain surgary had left a deeper impact than anyone could have known at the time. Was Blair right to put her in this position? Was there a real alternative? Heaven forbid the consequences of a political neandathal like Kevin McNamara getting the job.

    There will be a proper assessment of her brief period in office in years to come, but we are probably too close to make a proper assessment at this time. Certainly the undermining of the hard worked Mitchell principles and her dismissing of cold blooded murder as “internal housekeeping” can probably judged right now, and neither puts her in a good light.

    Thomas “It is evident from Keith M post that the DUP are incapable of showing compassion if the person goes against their own beliefs”.

    Thomas I am not a supporter or member of the DUP, let alone their spokesman.

  • cash

    Some of the comments that I’ve read today on this topic are quite frankly disgusting.
    How dare anyone no matter of their political persuasion use such an awful illness to make a jibe at their opposition!

    The fact is, that Mo Mowlam was not only a politician but also a quite down to earth person who was not afraid to speak with anyone on any level and on any matter.

    I’m also saying Fanny, that the above named victims of violence should be remembered as well, but since this topic was on Mo Mowlam then why would we be discussing anyone else?

    I don’t agree with all of her political views, but I recognize that she will, and should be remembered for playing a key role in the peace process, and she should not be forgotten about that!

    I find your comments ridiculous, boring, narrow-minded and childish!

  • Jo

    Much of the contempt that was directed at Mo during her time here had its roots in simple old-fashioned chauvinism. Now it seems that same sneering is revitalised by, of all things, her falling critcially ill. Its not just disgusting, its beneath contempt. I will find it very difficult to have any future regard or respect for those posters who have turned this thread into a cesspool of derision.

  • Fanny

    Cash – The reason I think it’s legitimate to discuss those who died under Mo’s tenure is because she used their deaths to introduce a moral ambiguity into the peace process in its very early stages that continues costing lives to this day.
    There is no doubt – although it took long enough to prove it – that the paramilitaries and their political masters respond very well to pressure. Witness not just the IRA statement but the current implosion of loyalism as the government finally pulls the rug out from under it.

    We could have been here seven years ago.

    Mo Mowlam, and her oh-so-casual ‘style’, was instrumental in blocking that progress.

  • Keith M

    Fanny “There is no doubt – although it took long enough to prove it – that the paramilitaries and their political masters respond very well to pressure. Witness not just the IRA statement but the current implosion of loyalism as the government finally pulls the rug out from under it.We could have been here seven years ago. Mo Mowlam, and her oh-so-casual ‘style’, was instrumental in blocking that progress.”

    It took a while to get there and more self-righteous drivel than you’d get in a thousand bible classes, but this is the first really insightful contribution in this thread.

  • Jo

    Interesting that the poster who first made personally contemptuous remarks about a dying woman finally applauds someone who thinks similarly and who has asserted that she is somehow – personally responsible for introducing moral ambiguity – as if, if it ever existed, that perception wasnt down to a warped perspective on government policy.
    Shame on both of you – and youre not off the hook by any means.

  • Fanny

    What a pompous arse.

  • lib2016

    Fanny,

    Can’t resist pointing out that you speak for yourself. 😉

  • Jo

    ..or that you’re talking through your name? 🙂

  • bertie

    It’s just been announced that Robin Cook has died. I presume we will have a new thread

  • weser

    keith m can’t wait to start slagging him off

  • sean bilbao

    I´m a Republican who has not lived in the 6 Counties now for 30 years, but I have never stopped observing from afar. Were I a believer – which obviously I am not – I would pray for Mo Mowlam. She had-has that-no bullshit attitude that has been so sorely missing for so many years. If it ever existed, that is… (By the way, my wife was operated on for cancer 18 months ago, so some of the above postings I can only describe as repugnant).

  • Fanny

    Why doesn’t anyone like my no-bullshit attitude?
    I mean, the way I smoke I’ll probably get cancer eventually.

  • Keith M

    Fanny, you appear to be missing the unwritten code here. It is fully acceptable to criticise those who you disagree with whether they be ill, dying or newly deceased (eg Heath) as long as some other people don’t have respect for that person. But heaven forbid that you should do the same for anyone that some sancimonious arses (a great phrase) actually admire. Is is double standards? You betcha!

    Some people’s only contributions to this thread have been personal abuse of those that have expessed an opinion. I suggest that such delicate souls are probably best kept away from the internet.

  • Jo

    Keith
    Fair enough – but dont expect any respect for your unapologetic bilious remarks here. And I sincerely hope you or yours dont experience a lingering cancer at any point in the near future…

  • sean bilbao

    Keith,
    Maybe I´m wrong, but I reckon that you were alluding to me in your last post. Personal insults? Don´t even know you, so how could they possibly be personal? However, I know María like the back of my hand and know that she has more balls than you or Fanny, who both obviously think that you are following the J. Swift tradition of wonderful Irish irony – our greatest export after Bushmills whiskey.
    With Jo´s permission, let me repeat her hope that neither you nor yours ever have to look this shit in the face, or even begin to contemplate how to deal with it.
    Not even vaguely funny or intelligent, any of it. So just who should stay off the Internet?…

  • Fanny

    Also, Stalin had diabetes. So no harm done.

  • kevin

    if i make a contribution that equals Mo’s I would be very happy with my life.

    I wonder how happy Keith is with his life so far?