Sinn Fein protest bugging…

Martin McGuinness has suggested that British Security operatives were responsible for planting bugging devices at the home of a woman who works with Gerry Adams.

  • Davros

    “he would do , wouldn’t he” ….

  • Panda

    If it was the British Secret Services that planted this primitive device, their standards have definitely fallen.
    Perhaps the Provos are now 1st or even 2nd division compared to the the likes of Al Kaida etc.
    Or perhaps somebody else would gain from a story like this…

  • Davros

    Liam Clarke points out, Link, that SF were NOT being bugged … but that the targets were two senior IRA men who used the flat for meetings …..

    Oh dear, all that SF angst has merely shown another Sinn Féin link to the IRA 😉

    I believe that’s called an Own Goal ?

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Davros,

    the only own goal scord here was by your good self. After days of denial you now accept that the device was in fact planted by the British Security Services and not by Mossad or the CIA.

    What about the crock you came off with that the device was crude and unsophisticated? Do you now accept that the device was in fact in current use? Or are MI5 using 1980s technology.

    Once again you’ve dug yourself into a pretty deep hole.

  • Davros

    Oh such SOUR grapes from Poor simple Pat ….
    another temper tantrum ….

    I REPEATEDLY pointed out that the bug MIGHT have been planted by the Brits wee Pat …

    I also Pointed out that SF had produced NO PROOF
    that it was a British Bug ……OR that it had been planted by British agents ….

    I also Pointed out that TERRORISTS not Politicians could have been the Target – and looks as if I might have been right 🙂
    Solved one problem right away … I couldn’t understand WHY Brits would want to bug peace-loving SF….

    Begs the question that gets to the heart of this … what was someone supposedly involved in politics doing faciliating terrorists ?

    Pat when someone says you haven’t proved your case, they are not necessarily saying you are wrong, they are pointing out that you have put forward a bad case….
    eg that I cannot prove that Politician X was involved in the Claudy Bombing doesn’t mean that Politician X WASN’T involved …it only means I cannot prove it…

    Too subtle for you ?

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Davros,

    When you flounder you can’t even do it with panache. Where is your new found knowledge of electronic devices now? Where are your ramblings about the sophistication of the device uncovered? Do you now accept that the device was recent? Come on answer a question for a change, try and show a bit of honesty.

    In your desperation to defend the British Security Services you went of an a trajectory of Mossad and the CIA that would embarrass most normal people.
    Now in an effort to put the boot into SF you accept this story, from a journalist who has been used as an outlet for such stories in the past. Of course he does use the ubiquitous un-named ‘security’ and ‘republican’ sources. That seems to be the level of evidence you use as a benchmark.

    In typical knee jerk fashion you post without thinking and you haven’t even the wit to realise that if flatly contradicts your earlier posts. That is the problem, when you make an ass of yourself people tend to notice lol.

    Your really are better off writing your turgid letters

  • Davros

    LOL at Pat still desperately trying to make the best of a bad situation 🙂

    The article gives information Pat. I’m addressing that information , just as I addressed the previous information.

    Have you read that ST article ?

    It divulges one piece of information that does rather change things re the sophistication of the bug 🙂

    Now Pat, re CIA and Mossad … can you tell us about any possible links to Arab Terrorism that may be pertinent if they exist (between the two named individuals and PLO or Syria or Libya) in the article ?

    Care to address the NEW information linking this bug to the bug found that Mo Mowlem admitted was British ?

    Hmmmmm ?

    LOL

  • Caoimhín

    Come on Davros face facts. You were wrong about your CIA/Mossad ramblings and you were also wrong about the apparant un-sophistication of this device. Pat’s right

  • Davros

    Sorry Caoimhín… that’s feeble …

    I never said it WAS CIA or Mossad …
    You people need to read what people write.

    I said –

    1) no proof it’s British and said that it MIGHT be British

    2) pointed out that there is a World Wide war on terror… and as Republicans have killed abroad and have links to foreign terrorists it MIGHT have been another organisation…

    Jumping to conclusions on minimal information is risky …after all in the Past RCs left the Torrens … On that minimal information it could reasonably be inferred that prods drove them out – However ADD the info that SF TOLD them to leave and that one republican was convicted of Petrol bombing a Catholic family on the estate and things look rather different….

    Now , The facts, assuming Liam Clarke is telling the truth, in this case get more interesting …

    Clarke points out that The senior IRA man who owned the car that was bugged in the past was a VISITOR to the flat in which the bug was found …. That changes everything 🙂
    Pat was blethering away about the Brits hoping that this minor Flunkey woul let some deatil of her voluntary work for Mr Adams slip at home …
    But in fact we have a bug found where people like Mr Martin Lynch and Mr Bobby Storey have meetings …

    Odd that SF didn’t mention that at their news conference …

    I wonder why ?

  • Jonathan McCullough

    I have to agree with Davros, one only has to look at his previous postings to see that he only implied that foriegn intelligence services MIGHT have been responsible. The fact that Liam Clarke highlights the continuing linkage between a party that claims to be democratic and an illegal terrorist and criminal organisation is what should worry us all. If Clarke is right, and let’s be honest we all know he is, it’s time to ban Sinn Fein. It doesn’t matter what mandate a party has, if it continues to be linked to criminals it should have no place in a moral society.

  • Davros

    Jonathan… it’s ironic that those screaming when SF first broke this “Story” (Storey ? ) that it 100% HAD to be the Brits are the same who when it suits chant “innocent until proven guilty”.

    Seems that only applies in their books when the accused is a nationalist or a republican …

    Alternatively I could have asked Pat and Caoimhín IF being accused makes one automatically guilty where does that leave Mr Adams who was named in Parliament by Iris Robinson regarding events at La Mon ….

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Davros,
    I accept that you are probably embarrassed about your CIA and Mossad allegations. It is human nature to keep plugging away no matter how stupid your original story now seems. But in consideration of your own dignity it is probably best to stop digging.
    As a unionist it is to be expected that you will grasp at any opportunity to protect your security services. An opportunity, no matter how fanciful, was grasped by you. It has been exposed as false and the arguments you put forward now look rather lame as you have flip flopped from one side of the argument to the other.
    But you did question the sophistication of the device, suggesting that it was not recent. Now appartently it is. You based this on a TV programme you apparently watched and that experience elevated you into the expert class.

    The British have once again been found with their hands in the cookie jar. On the eve of all party talks their bad faith has once again been exposed. As usual they use their media outlets to spin the usual crock. ‘It was really the IRA we were after not SF’.
    Pathetic and predictable, just as predictable was the un-named security and republican sources and if Bobby Storey didn’t exist Clarke et al would have to invent him. They use this tactic simply because they have a collection of dupes ready to accept and quote anything they put out.
    You really would make Colin Wallace proud.

    BTW your efforts to re write the history of what happened at Torrens and inventing incidents leaves you open to more ridicule.

  • Davros

    WHAT allegations about CIA or Mossad Pat ?

    Are You now reduced to outright LIES to cover your embarrassment ?

    I NEVER claimed that it WAS either the CIA or Mossad. I pointed out that they could be involved….and that NO PROOF HAD BEEN PRODUCED THAT IT WAS BRITISH …

    You run from the Lynch revelation 🙂

    You run from the Torrens point …

    re the sophistication … easily addressed … what was shown on TV as the “bug” was thumbnail sized… turns out that the actual bug (not shown by SF ) was considerably smaller….

    Come on Pat … be a man and admit you are embarrassed by yet another Sinn Féin own goal where instead of looking like victims they merely showed the world that they ARE still linked to violent republicanism….

    It’s interesting that SF themselves have shut up about what they labelled an outrage 🙂 It’s entirely possible that Gerry didn’t know that his “assistant” was associating with Lynch and Storey….and that the bug was aimed at them ?

  • Davros

    Why would I wish to protect the security services Pat ?

    They have a DUTY to keep an eye on terrorists!

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Davros,
    it is all up when you have to deny the content of your own posts, but that is a subject on which others will judge you. But as of late consistency has not be one of your more admirable traits
    Nonetheless it was you, on the basis of one TV programme who set yourself up as an expert on what constituted state of the art eaves dropping equipment and what was obsolete. There is no use blaming SF, it was you who used limited (very limited)knowledge to make a conclusive decision on what was on show. Maybe it is a lesson to you not to rush to judgement
    Again it was you who brought the CIA and Mossad into the equation without satisfactorily reasoning that if the device was so obsolete, why would two organisations at the cutting edge of technology be using such a device.

    I run from no allegation over Lynch, I don’t know or have never heard of the man. I would venture that neither do you. Can you tell me anything about his past background? You have lifted a story from Liam Clarke, that has the ubiquitous un-named sources and very little else. Apparently that is your basis for condemning the man.

    As for Torrens, I actually lived there, so I am pretty much more aware of what happened there over the decades than you. Put any point on it and it will be answered comprehensively.

    As stated it seems that British bad faith has been exposed once again. Like their bugging of the SF office at Stormont, The bugging of Gerry Kellys car and the scandalous allegations around Martha Pope.

    If your continuing posts do prove one thing it is that your attempt to portray yourself as the liberal unionist type has collapsed under the weight of your own bigottry and sectarianism. If nothing else watching the facade collapse was quite amusing

  • willowfield

    Never mind Pat McLarnon’s attempted smokescreen, the Shinners have been caught out again.

    As we try to establish terror-free politics in NI, it is sad and worrying that the Shinners continue to be inextricably linked to death squads and terror gangs.

  • Caoimhín

    Exactly how have the Shinners been caught out? Seems to me the British were caught spying on political parties. Just because they say it was intended for the IRA doesn’t mean it was. The fact is it was in a Sinn Féin consticuency worker’s home. If they wanted to listen to these IRA men who apparantly frequented the place, why not bug their houses… or maybe they did.

  • Caoimhín

    Wow, someone in Sinn Féin knows IRA men, we all know that Sinn Féin members know people in the IRA or else how could they give British government proposals and the like to the Army Council. How have Sinn Féin been caught out? Where is the own goal?

  • joc

    Just trying the typekey bolleex again.

  • willowfield

    Exactly how have the Shinners been caught out?

    They’ve been caught out because it’s another demonstration of the inextricable link between PSF and PIRA.

    Seems to me the British were caught spying on political parties. Just because they say it was intended for the IRA doesn’t mean it was. The fact is it was in a Sinn Féin consticuency worker’s home. If they wanted to listen to these IRA men who apparantly frequented the place, why not bug their houses… or maybe they did.

    While PSF remains linked to death squads it can hardly complain about being spied on!!

  • Caoimhín

    Just because an IRA man happens to visit this women the odd time does not demonstrate an inextricable link between SF and the IRA. Im sure Ian Paisely and John Hume have had ‘terrorists’ over their door, there are no ‘inextricable’ links between their party and terrorist orgainisations

  • willowfield

    If Ian Paisley or John Hume had regular meetings with senior terrorist leaders, it certainly would be cause for concern!

    The regular meetings between the PSF woman and the Senior Provo are a reminder of the inextricable link between PSF and PIRA, hence it’s a bad news story for the Shinners. Hence the attempts at smokescreens and the faux outrage from McGuinness.

  • Caoimhín

    So we believe unnamed security sources that there were ‘regular’ meetings. The same security services that are embarassed aand doing anything to save face?

  • willowfield

    Why else would they be bugging the flat if there weren’t regular meetings?!

  • Caoimhín

    Because its a flat where Gerry Adams’ office work is spoken about and the government would like to listen. The Securocrats are lying.

    I suppose I cant blame you willowfield, I wouldn’t expect you to believe Sinn Féin. I hope you can understand why I don’t believe the Securocrats.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    “Never mind Pat McLarnon’s attempted smokescreen, the Shinners have been caught out again.”

    No smokescreen the Britsh have once again displayed bad faith towards people they are trying to establish a permanent solution with. Unsurprising but true.

    “As we try to establish terror-free politics in NI, it is sad and worrying that the Shinners continue to be inextricably linked to death squads and terror gangs.”

    At a time when unionist paramilitaries are still trying to kill and maim Catholics most observers welcome a steadying hand on the IRA. Under no circumstances do nationalists want their areas to end up like the Lower Shankill.

    “They’ve been caught out because it’s another demonstration of the inextricable link between PSF and PIRA.”

    That is a lie,because it not a demonstration of anything. There has been no official British statement on this incident. You atre working on the basis of a Sunday Times story, with refenece only to un-named sources. What is your evidence for such a statement?

    “The regular meetings between the PSF woman and the Senior Provo are a reminder of the inextricable link between PSF and PIRA, hence it’s a bad news story for the Shinners. Hence the attempts at smokescreens and the faux outrage from McGuinness.”

    Again, without reference to the Sunday Times story you have exactly nothing. Where is your evidence that the person named is a senior Provo? Where is your evidencew that he even visited the flat?

    “Why else would they be bugging the flat if there weren’t regular meetings?!”

    These are the people who organised the killing of Catholics and lied about doing. Is their no British actions that people of your ilk will not find excuses for?

  • willowfield

    Caomihin

    Because its a flat where Gerry Adams’ office work is spoken about and the government would like to listen.

    As I said, while PSF remain linked to armed death squads, they can hardly complain about being bugged!

    The Securocrats are lying.

    Securocrats? What/who are they and how do you know they are lying?

    Pat McLarnon

    No smokescreen the Britsh have once again displayed bad faith towards people they are trying to establish a permanent solution with. Unsurprising but true.

    No, a smokescreen to draw attention away from yet another demonstration of the inextricable link.

    At a time when unionist paramilitaries are still trying to kill and maim Catholics most observers welcome a steadying hand on the IRA. Under no circumstances do nationalists want their areas to end up like the Lower Shankill.

    Nonetheless, it remains disturbing that PSF are inextricably linked to armed death squads.

    That is a lie,because it not a demonstration of anything.

    Senior terrorists frequenting a PSF flat: looks to me like a demonstration of the inextricable link!

    There has been no official British statement on this incident. You atre working on the basis of a Sunday Times story, with refenece only to un-named sources. What is your evidence for such a statement?

    I don’t have any, other than the Sunday Times article. What’s yours?

    Why else would they be bugging the flat?

    If there’s no substance to the story, why were you so desperate to draw attention away from it?

    Again, without reference to the Sunday Times story you have exactly nothing.

    I don’t claim to have anything other than the Sunday Times story!!

    Where is your evidence that the person named is a senior Provo? Where is your evidencew that he even visited the flat?

    Sunday Times is all I’ve got. What’s your evidence that he wasn’t a senior Provo or that he didn’t visit the flat?

    These are the people who organised the killing of Catholics and lied about doing.

    How do you know? What’s your evidence? LOL!

    Is [sic] their [sic] no British actions that people of your ilk will not find excuses for?

    Of course there are! Unlike you, I’m not an apologist for crimes and murders!

  • Davros

    Pat McLarnon ..it is an outright LIE to claim that I wrote that the CIA OR Mossad DID place the BUG.

  • Davros

    Caoimhín , but SF were NOT being bugged unless you are admitting that SF ARE the IRA 🙂

    Storey and Lynch were being bugged …

    Bugging terrorists is perfectly proper.

    The silence from SF HQ seems to suggest that they are rather embarrassed to find out what has been going on … still it’s an improvement from Scap’s revelations that SF Offices in the past were used to plan and carry out attacks .

  • Davros

    LOL at Pat claiming to have lived in Torrens …..

  • Davros

    “Because its a flat where Gerry Adams’ office work is spoken about “

    How do you know this ?

    Do you think anybody is interested in how many sugars Gerry takes in his tea ?

  • Davros

    “That is a lie,because it not a demonstration of anything. There has been no official British statement on this incident. You atre working on the basis of a Sunday Times story, with refenece only to un-named sources.”

    and you are working on the basis of claims by SF …..the party that denied it had a member banged up in Colombia 🙂

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    “Senior terrorists frequenting a PSF flat: looks to me like a demonstration of the inextricable link!”

    You have absolutely no evidence that any such happening occurred, therefore how can it be a demonstration of anything?

    “I don’t claim to have anything other than the Sunday Times story!!”

    An admission of your total and absolute bankruptcy.

    “Sunday Times is all I’ve got. What’s your evidence that he wasn’t a senior Provo or that he didn’t visit the flat?”

    Without this rather questionable article we wouldn’t even be discussing this guy. Typical unionist a person now how to prove their innocence.

    Davros,

    I’ve gotten sick of humiliating you, I think i’ll leave you alone for a while.

  • Davros

    Pat, please retract your LIE that I wrote that CIA or Mossad DID place the Bug.

    The only person you are humiliating is yourself.
    You are both stupid and dishonest.

  • willowfield

    Pat McLarnon

    You have absolutely no evidence that any such happening occurred, therefore how can it be a demonstration of anything?

    So you accept that if it did occur, it would be a demonstration of the inextricable link. You’re just denying that it occurred.

    An admission of your total and absolute bankruptcy.

    How’s that?

    Without this rather questionable article we wouldn’t even be discussing this guy. Typical unionist a person now how to prove their innocence.

    This isn’t a court of law: it’s a discussion board!

    But if you think we should apply the same standards of evidence on a discussion board as the state does in a criminal court, why do you say that those who planted the bug “organised the killing of Catholics and lied about doing it”?!

    LOL at Pat!!

    Tell me this, Pat: if there’s nothing in this story, why were you so desperate to create a smokescreen by going on and on about Davros and Mossad and the CIA?

  • Davros

    Pat going on and on = telling outright lies 🙂

    Still, what else from a pig but a grunt !

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    “So you accept that if it did occur, it would be a demonstration of the inextricable link. You’re just denying that it occurred.”

    So now we are into the realms of imagination and what if. It was you who was definitive that a demonstation took place, you now appear to be uncertain and are back tracking. Simply best to come on and admit you made a faux pas and exaggerated the importance of the ST story.

    “This isn’t a court of law: it’s a discussion board!”

    But for the discussion to stay within the realms of reality posters should as best they can, try and stick to the facts and where they make definitive comments, at least try and back it up. This is something that you have patently failed to do on this thread.

    “Tell me this, Pat: if there’s nothing in this story, why were you so desperate to create a smokescreen by going on and on about Davros and Mossad and the CIA?”

    As stated, it was the hapless Davros who went off on the Mossad & CIA route. It was he who exaggerated a knowledge of eaves dropping devices. It was he who later turned his own argument on its head and contradicted much of what had been posted earlier.

    Davros,
    you are obviously hurt at being exposed as a fraud, liar and charltan but please try and modify your language lol.

    You now have a chance to redeem your worthless reputation by commenting on the bug found at Connolly House (funny SF publicising these things after you accused them of trying to drop the earlier story). Looks like that,s you in another hole.
    Anyway, can you tell us if the bug is of CIA, Mossad, KGB, MI5 origin. Have you ever seen a TV programme on this type of device? Could it even be a Close Encounter?

    Davros please tell us, we need you.

  • Davros

    Pat …post where I said that it WAS the CIA or Mossad …I didn’t and you are a Liar.

    In fact you are a

  • Davros

    Posted before the Clarke story –

    just to prove that Pat is a LIAR

    08/09/2004 21:07

    Have to laugh at Pat and co’ trying to rewrite history post 9/11….

    You are floundering, trying to combine posts concerning this alleged British Bugging…

    I was asked who else would want to Bug Republicans …There’s the history rewrite- trying to pretend that the IRA have not been involved with crimes abroad…
    So some countries were suggested…

    DIFFERENT ISSUE

    Proof that this Bug WAS planted ?
    We only have the word of SF – the people who said they didn’t have representation in Cuba …

    DIFFERENT ISSUE

    If there was a bug planted … evidence that it was the British ?

    erm …so far none

    DIFFERENT ISSUE

    Sophistication of allegedly planted bug…..

    How old is this bug ? When was it supposedly planted ?

    Sorry Pat, so far this smells like a SF PR Stunt .

    Of course everything will change once some evidence is produced or the British Government state that one of their agencies was involved…

    But at the moment all we can do is speculate…. and I’m sorry if speculation reminds people of IRA and SF activities that they would like to pretend never happened …

    Like Claudy

    Like Enniskillen

    Like the IRA Murder of Niedermayer

    Like IRA attacks carried out outside of the British Isles in places like Netherlands, Germany and Belgium

  • willowfield

    Pat McLarnon

    So now we are into the realms of imagination and what if.

    I’ll take that as a “yes”. You do accept that if it did occur, it would be a demonstration of the inextricable link.

    In which case, our only point of disagreement is believing whether or not the meetings took place. I believe they did, based on the fact that we know there is an inextricable link, and the intelligence reported to Liam Clarke.

    You believe they didn’t … based on an absence of “evidence”. It’s up to you what you believe – or, more likely, what you say you believe. But my belief is reasonable and credible.

    But for the discussion to stay within the realms of reality posters should as best they can, try and stick to the facts and where they make definitive comments, at least try and back it up. This is something that you have patently failed to do on this thread.

    Odd that you don’t follow your own rules! Funny how the rules don’t apply to your claims that those who planted the bug “organised the killing of Catholics and lied about doing it”!!

    As stated, it was the hapless Davros who went off on the Mossad & CIA route. It was he who exaggerated a knowledge of eaves dropping devices. It was he who later turned his own argument on its head and contradicted much of what had been posted earlier.

    That’s not my reading of it. It seems clear to any reader of this thread that Davros merely stated that Mossad or CIA might have planted the bug. You then kicked up a fuss in an attempt to create a smokescreen. This indicates that your belief about the use of the flat is the same as mine, hence your desire to divert attention from the actual bugging.

  • peteb

    It would help the credibility of this story if SF would agree on one version of what happened, and then keep to it.

    According to the various quotes ALL from SF ‘sources’, named and unnamed, this latest 5ft long ‘sophisticated’ bug was found either

    a) by workmen stumbling across it as they carried out renovation work (just like the last one?) – UTV Associated Press report

    b) by ‘activists’ who, according to Gerry Adams, checked homes and offices “as best they can” – SF Official press release

    or c) a result of a ‘sweep’ (implying electronic detection) of SF offices by unnamed “people” (the most effective and most likely technique used) – an earlier UTV Associated Press report

  • Belfast Gonzo
  • willowfield

    It would help the credibility of this story if SF would agree on one version of what happened, and then keep to it.

    Like they did with Colombia and Stakeknife?

    LOL!

  • peteb

    we’re on it already Gonzo! :o)

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Second device found at Connolly House: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/3656104.stm

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Oops! Double post. Still getting used to Typekey’s randomness…

  • peteb

    we’re on it already Gonzo, again..

    Assuming that’s the 5ft long ‘sophisticated’ bug? :o)

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    SF put on display a device found at the home of one of their workers. It was there for all to see. Given the history of British Security Services spying on SF it was a fair enough charge by SF to lay the blame at the usual suspects.
    There is no history of Mossad or CIA devices being found at the home of SF members in West Belfast or anywhere else on the island of Ireland. For any idiot to even suggest such a scenario is a desperate attempt by the supporters of British spying to deflect blame at this delicate stage of the Peace Process.
    For that idiot to try and pass judgement on the age and capability of the device based on watching a single TV programme is, to be quite frank, embarrassing.

    Lo and behold, a story appears in the S Times from a journalist who has been used as an outlet for such stories in the past. The journo constructs a story based on nameless republican and security force sources.
    The person who previously brought Mossad and the CIA into the story uses this as proof that the IRA was the target all along. Does a back flip on previous allegations and sides with the journo.

    Good god Davros have you no shame.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    “I’ll take that as a “yes”. You do accept that if it did occur, it would be a demonstration of the inextricable link.”

    No you cannot take it as a yes. I’m not about to climb into your not very vivid imagination in order to work out the outlandish permutations inside that particular vessel.

    “You believe they didn’t … based on an absence of “evidence”. It’s up to you what you believe – or, more likely, what you say you believe. But my belief is reasonable and credible.”

    It is a benchmark of your own credibility that a story is deemed reasonable and crebile on unnamed sources. So be it.

    “That’s not my reading of it. It seems clear to any reader of this thread that Davros merely stated that Mossad or CIA might have planted the bug. You then kicked up a fuss in an attempt to create a smokescreen. This indicates that your belief about the use of the flat is the same as mine, hence your desire to divert attention from the actual bugging.”

    Do try an keep up, the Mossad & CIA fantasy was started by Davros on a previous thread.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Davros

    I asked for your opinion on the Connolly House device in my 4.16pm post. What is your expert opinion? lol.

  • Caoimhín

    Looks like CIA and Mossad have been up to their old tricks at Connolly House again. Or was it little men from Mars this time?

    LOL!!!

  • Caoimhín

    Apparantly Typekey has generously given me a name change, as my name is now a strange mix of Spanish and Gaelic

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Davros,

    Whats your expert opinion on the Connolly House device. I asked you at 4.16pm and you are seemingly hiding on the issue. Embarrassed are we? Or can’t you find your Mission Impossible DVD lol.

  • Davros

    Pat- I have nothing to say to a shameless Liar like you. You are a scoundrel, cad and bounder.

  • Davros

    Did everbody enjoy the Shambolic SF press conference ? LOL

    Hilarious – Gerry trying to be solemn and statesman-like while Mitchel and Catriona ( if that was who it was on the News with him) carry on grinning and larking about

    Gerry is losing his touch – really hamming it up with “I’ll not be bringing it to mr Blair , I’ll be” pause for effect, glares at Mitchel and Catriona giggling in front and to his right – “RETURNING it to him!” waits for applause, none arrives …..

    Hammishness worthy of Papa Doc!

    and to cap it all …

    “we carry out all or business on the assumption that we ARE being bugged “….

    so why the pretend shock and outrage when bugs turn up ?

    LOL ! They have gone to the dogs since Bairbre went to Europe.

  • peteb

    But, as the Beeb mischievously pointed out, airport security might raise an objection to Gerry carrying a 5ft plank onto the plane…

    that’s assuming Mitchel’s going, of course. ;o)

  • Davros

    The Sad thing is that on the SF newsite they are carrying several REAL stories.

    Bairbre de Br

  • Davros

    pete … will the real bugs pick up the wigging Gerry dished out to Mitchel for larking about ? 😉 for all Gerry’s claim to have a sense of humour he didn’t crack a grin for Mitchel’s rather funny “battery of Batteries you might say” joke !

  • peteb

    Davros, you have a very strange view of ‘news’ if you think a political party’s press statement qualifies as a ‘real’ story.

  • peteb

    Here’s a point that hasn’t been addressed yet.

    Why, if this is all part of a co-ordinated campaign of ‘bugging’, are the collection of batteries in the 5ft long ‘sophisticated’ (I just love that factoid) bug dramatically removed from the floor of the SF office today (once the press where assembled) obviously significantly different from the battery packs displayed from the other equally(?) ‘sophisticated’ bug last week?

  • peteb

    or even “once the press ‘were’ assembled”…. seesh.

  • Davros

    Pete, don’t blame me for SF discussing “issues” on their News Site!

    but it’s worth repeating — all the other items on that site are to do with Moving on.

  • Davros

    Pete … one obvious answer… the wee shap on Falls Rd ran out of one sort of battery and SF dirty tricks division had to use a different sort ?

  • peteb

    Davros.. I’ll say it again slowly.. that’s NOT a ‘news’ site.

  • Davros

    I did wonder as to why the wooden battery container looked so pristine considering it had been under floor boards …crivvens, you would almost think it was brand new! If it WAS placed by Brit intelligence , I wonder how they got inside ?

  • peteb

    Well, Davros, you’d have to ask the workmen who found it during the ‘renovations’.. or was it the SF party activists who looked through the offices “as best they can”… or was it the “people” got in to ‘sweep’ the offices for electronic listening devices?

    Which version of the story are SF running with anyway?

  • Davros

    I think that is still to be decided Pete 😉

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    It has just been confirmed by Davros Spykit International that the device at Connolly House was planted during the Yon Kippur war, so obviously it was old hardware. Apparently a guy with an eye patch answering to the name Moshe Dayan was seen scampering away from the area and was last seen heading towards Coleraine.

    good on Davros for keeping us right.

  • Davros

    Poor dishonest Pat.
    Too stupid to follow an argument.
    Too thick to realise it.

  • Rebecca Black

    I reckon the device if it was put there by the police was placed during the 70s, the shinners found it years ago and have been sitting on it waiting for a good time to start parading it around.

    Just look at the thing they are showing around the place, its not the most technologically advanced piece of equipment.

    Its also a bit convenient that they are suddenly finding loads of stuff now, we ought to start bets on who produces the next one!

  • Rebecca Black

    ah sorry, I seem to be reiterating what has been said above, apologies, just watched it on the news and those were the thoughts that occurred to me.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Rebecca,
    have you been watching the same TV programme as the hapless Davros. What it is about unionists that allows them to make judgements on technology when they haven’t a clue what they are talking about?

    Denial, denial, denial. Whatever happened to no, no, no.

  • peteb

    And which ‘Discovery’ channel do you subscribe to Pat? ;o)

  • Davros

    Pat doesn’t watch TV …he might learn something and that would NEVER do 🙂 He just listens to the voices in his head ….

    Just watched a very moving Film by Azza El-Hassan on BBC2 from Ramallah in 2000. We think we have problems….

  • Ciaran

    After events in Castlereagh/Stormont, the incident with Tohill, the IMC, Republicans were quick to ask for proof of their misdeeds.
    In light of this I’d have to ask of SF, where is the proof that this was the ‘Securocrats’? Of course first thoughts would be British Intelligence, but wheres the proof? For too long now SF have been spinning the line that they’re whiter than white and everyones out to get them, it won’t wash forever.
    Whats more worrying is that in the week/s before the Leeds talks SF come out with an attempt to deflect the attention of Nationalists away from the fact that chances are they won’t deliver devolution for their electorate after Gerry specifically asking for the electoral mandate to do that. Then when things go pear-shaped it won’t be due to the fact that the majority on this island want the IRA to disappear and they refuse, it’ll be the DUP/Brits/Irish government/Securocrats/ A N Other (delete as appropriate)

  • willowfield

    Maybe the Connolly House bug was planted by one of the many agents operating in the Provos? Maybe Gerry himself? He probably has a key and wouldn’t have to break in.

    (Wonder how the security cameras failed to pick up the burglars?)

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Oh it really is sweet to see the apologists for anything stamped British squirm on this one. Mossad, CIA, SF themselves, Workmen. Anybody to blame just to deflect away from the people caught once again with their hand in the till. First dopey Davros, then wonk Willowfield then pathetic Pete. All linig up to create their little smokscreen.

    To be caught once is unfortunate to be caught twice within the space of a week is, well pathetic.
    Does explain why the term Military and Intelligence are mutually exclusive. Just to think that these same people are running around Basra chills the blood.

    Once again proof of British bad faith is exposed and the apologists who were very definitive over Castlereagh, Stormont and the Police Fund (remember that one Willowfield) are left scuttlig about in the gutter for excuses.

    Poor Davros having been exposed as an idiot over Mossad and the CIA not to mention his electronics know how, now turns his attention to wood lol. He writes, ” I did wonder as to why the wooden battery container looked so pristine considering it had been under floor boards,” well guess what Davros, if you live in a recently built house and check under the floor boards, it does appear pristine. If the bug was placed recently, it would be. Where did you pick that one up on the Antiques Roadshow.

    It will be interesting to see what Blair and Murphuy have to say on the incident when they are confronted. I’m sure there will be at least one journalist there who will bring the subject up. When it happens I will await the words of the unionist dawn chorus on this site with great interest.

  • willowfield

    Anybody to blame just to deflect away from the people caught once again with their hand in the till.

    This seems to imply you think there is something wrong with the state bugging terrorists. Surely it is the state’s duty?

    If it was the state, I, for one, feel reassured that it continues to take our security seriously.

    Why all the fuss?

  • willowfield

    Anybody to blame just to deflect away from the people caught once again with their hand in the till.

    This seems to imply you think there is something wrong with the state bugging terrorists. Surely it is the state’s duty?

    If it was the state, I, for one, feel reassured that it continues to take our security seriously.

    Why all the fuss?

  • Rebecca Black

    Pat

    you still haven’t explained how a detested Brit would have been able to get into Connolly house.

    furthermore, you can’t possibly be so pedantic as to deny that the listening device was clearly not the most modern piece of technology. I still reckon it was put there during the 70s.

  • Davros

    “Once again proof of British bad faith is exposed “

    what Proof ?

  • Davros

    Possibly it was placed by Someone
    who would be regarded as untouchable ?

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    “This seems to imply you think there is something wrong with the state bugging terrorists. Surely it is the state’s duty?”

    This particular state has conspired with forces to murder the very people who ewere being bugged. Was this an attempt to glean information to allow unionist paramilitaries to carry on their quasi official operations?

    “Why all the fuss?”

    Read above.

    “you still haven’t explained how a detested Brit would have been able to get into Connolly house.”

    Rebecca don’t be silly, they probably broke in.

    “furthermore, you can’t possibly be so pedantic as to deny that the listening device was clearly not the most modern piece of technology. I still reckon it was put there during the 70s.”

    Unlike others I make no claims to have undue expertise on this piece of equipment. What does a modern piece of eaves dropping equipment look like. Life isn’t like the movies you know.

    “Possibly it was placed by Someone
    who would be regarded as untouchable”

    You outdo yourself Davros an anonymous post on the Cryptome website. I suppose it is on a par with the S Times anonymous sources and the discreditted Jerusalemn post story you quoted. I was tempted to link to Jim Mitchell on the same site but decided that even that vile specimen deserved an even call. Obviously any port in a storm for you.

  • Davros

    Poor Pat. Keep taking the tablets 🙂

  • willowfield

    Rebecca don’t be silly, they probably broke in.

    How did they evade the security cameras?

    Maybe Stakeknife installed the device?

  • willowfield

    Rebecca don’t be silly, they probably broke in.

    How did they evade the security cameras?

    Maybe Stakeknife installed the device?

  • Mick Fealty

    Davros,

    Please play within the rules! You may not like Pat’s arguments but you do better to counter them with your own, rather than going for the man.

  • Davros

    Mick… I have been playing by the rules. You might consider asking Pat to stop telling outright LIES about what I have posted ?