Threat level to Great Britain from Irish-related terrorism raised from ‘moderate’ to ‘substantial’

As iol reports, the UK Home Secretary, Theresa May, has stated that “The director-general of the Security Service has informed me that he has raised the threat to Great Britain from Irish-related terrorism from moderate to substantial, meaning that an attack is a strong possibility.” As the statement notes

The Security Service has raised the threat level from moderate to substantial. This means an Irish-related terrorist attack is a strong possibility.

The system of threat levels aims to keep you informed about the risk of terrorism at any given time. It also helps police and other law enforcement agencies decide how to allocate staff.

This is the first time an Irish-related threat assessment has been published. The threat from international terrorism remains severe.

That’s somewhat less speculative than Jonathan Evans was in his recent speech…

Adds  As the BBC report notes

The new category of threat from [Irish-related terrorism] applies to England, Wales and Scotland but not Northern Ireland, where the level also remains “severe”.

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  • fitzjameshorse1745

    What Jonathan Evans says last week (faithfully reported on Slugger) Ms May will enhance this week (and is faithfully reported on Slugger)…but dont politicians and compliant journos have a record of “sexing these things up”?

  • Greenflag

    ‘Just a little bit of fear helps the medicine go down in the most delightful /sorry substantial way ‘

    And then having raised the ante and given the ‘dissidents’ a much needed publicity boost and scaremongered a little -the Home Secretary says

    “In general the public should not expect any visible change in our security measures.”

    What exactly was the point ?

    Perhaps it will help in the general acceptance of the soon to come cuts in the large dose of medicine that’s doled out to the ‘land of the dissenters/dissidents’ .

    ‘After all who are they to complain about cuts after all we’ve done for them over the years -ungrateful sods –

  • percy

    no the irish are comin, batton down the hatches
    and run fer your lives.. the cowshed in tyrone has WMD ..

  • Well, I guess their budget won’t be cut, then.

  • Are there pickpockets in Dublin, Greenflag?

    “There is an underlying threat from terrorism . Attacks could be indiscriminate, including in places frequented by expatriates and foreign travellers.”

  • I guess the above statement doesn’t help those Stormont Politicans who claim that dissenting Republicans are nothing but micro groups, thugs, criminals and traitors?

  • Greenflag

    Nevin ,

    How many of the 3.5 million British visitors to the Republic of Ireland last year were

    a) Attacked for being ‘British ‘ ?
    b) Subjected to ‘terrorist’ attack by any illegal organisation.?
    c) Had personal belongings stolen.?
    d) Were victims of ‘racist ‘ abuse ?
    e) Were locked up for ‘hooliganism ‘ or being drunk and disorderly ?
    f) Were refused service in a licensed premises or hotel on account of their national origins ?

    I’m afraid the Foreign & Commonwealth Office is perhaps in this instance an unwitting accomplice of the world’s biggest protection racket -and no I don’t mean the street thugs of paramilitarism but the suited and bespoke ‘legalised’ thugs of the EXTRA EXTRA EXTRA insurance industry 🙁

    British tourists might also want to take out Even more EXTRA EXTRA EXTRA insurance against being struck by lightning and /or winning the Lottery /or against contracting esophageal cancer from kissing the Blarney Stone .!

    I can perfectly understand Afghanistan , Iraq, Somalia , New York or Chicago or parts of Mexico , Israel , Gaza or the West Bank but the Republic ?


  • joeCanuck

    Read what De Tocqueville wrote about minor or small political parties, their aims (ha) and methods and effects after a period of great but now settled upheaval. It’s exactly what is happening now.
    The book is (Of) Democracy in America, and is available to read in Google’s library.

  • joeCanuck

    Page 203 if you don’t want to read the whole book.

  • interested

    all so sophisticated in your replies-what a bullshit reaction.
    and the ones who really suffer are those who went to the other island to make a living when opportunity here was undermined

  • Greenflag


    In the 40 or so years since the NI troubles erupted how many visitors/tourists to the Irish Republic have been killed or physically injured excluding of course the football hooligans at the international soccer match in Dublin between England and Ireland who of course brought it on themselves by their hooligan behaviour ?

    Would it have been 1 or 5 or 10 or more out of a total of probably 100 million visitors plus over that timespan? .

    Question :
    Do Foreign and Commonwealth Office mandarins and employees learn numbers when they go to school or study mathematics or statistics ?

  • Greenflag

    ‘the ones who really suffer are those who went to the other island to make a living when opportunity here was undermined’

    Indeed the British are so generous some 2.5 million left the mainland for elsewhere in search of a better life over the past decade so you can look upon it as them moving out to make room for those from the top end of the smaller island ?

    There are over 6 million Britons living abroad .

    Where do they go?

    Heres the answer

    They may no longer be shackled convicts or Ten Pound Poms, but the largest number of Britons to be found abroad is still in Australia. The IPPR report estimates that there are 1.3 million British expats living permanently down under, accounting for 23 per cent of all those living abroad for a year or longer.

    Spain is the second most popular destination, with 761,000 expats, rising to 990,000 when second home-owners and other part-time residents are taken into account. The US has more than 600,000 Britons living there, while Canada, Ireland, New Zealand and South Africa are all in the top ten destinations.

    Three quarters of all British expats live in the top ten destination countries. But Britons have spread themselves across the globe; 41 foreign nations each have a UK expat population of at least 10,000 and 112 countries have at least 1,000 British people in their midst.

    heres the detail

  • joeCanuck

    Don’t be silly. They still read the Classics.

  • interested

    what has all of this bleathering got to do with threats coming from within my community here disadvantaging my community over there

  • joeCanuck

    See my comment at 9:04 and follow up if you want to understand what some of the blathering (sic) is about..

  • Greenflag, the FCO statement on terrorism makes no sense at all!!

  • JJ malloy

    When I was visiting Cork some kids stole my camera case from me while I wasn’t looking. Luckily my camera was in my pocket and not the case.

    They wanted me to give them 10 Euro for the case. I told them to F off.

    So I guess I did get something stolen

  • lover not a fighter

    Would the new goverment be building up a strawman/bogeyman that they must do the very important work of saving the british people from.

    And while doing this very important work also being forced to their very important work of making huge spending cuts.

    They (the new goverment) are very important and its very important that the british people are made aware that they are very very important.

    They may have to make these cuts (oh, they are really really sorry but its got to be done) but they wiil save the british people from the Irish dishing strawman/bogeyman.

    If I were british I would be so greatful and relieved that this new “Savior” goverment is here to ” look after ” me.

  • joeCanuck

    Maybe, but the British people I know will simply go about their “normal” business and keep their eyes open for suspicious behaviour, something we all should be doing.

  • Pippakin

    Anyone who reads Slugger can see that there is from time to time some anti British feeling about. I have experienced it, but I have also and more often experienced the welcome and friendship of the vast majority of the population of the south.

    As Irish we are just the same as everyone else, whilst of course being simultaneously much better…

    The British will not be so concerned either way. The threat of terrorism will not change their life style or their behaviour. It is after all nothing new.

    If the dissidents did manage to mount an attack on England that might cause some reaction against a few Irish people doing nothing more dangerous than making a living in a country that is usually good for a job, but then the IRA have never troubled themselves over collateral damage.

  • Clo

    Suspicious behaviour… You mean looking out for abandoned cars? Shifty men with large backpacks outside of Banks? Listening carefully for Paddy accents on the streets of London? I choose not to be scaremongered, but that’s just me.

  • joeCanuck

    No Clo,

    I was thinking more of a guy taking off his backpack on the tube, reaching inside and doing something, then rushing off at the next stop leaving the backpack behind. I don’t think any Irish warriors are willing to go the suicide route.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    For most Nationalists Ireland is a separate country which Britian just helps administer in order to stop civil war (i.e. Unionsts trying to slaughter their Nationalists neighbours) and this view of a seperate country is shared by the British, who when the mood takes them, suddenly start talking about Great Britian.

  • Pippakin

    This might be a good time to mention the villains responsible for the murders of most Irish people during the troubles are – the IRA.

  • Alan Maskey

    Actually, UK seems to be an international brand name now. Churchill, for example, spoke about Britain and “our island nation”, not “our island nation and a half”. This seems to have got particularly pronounced over the last 10 or so years and is probably a victory of sorts for the Brits and 2 nationists. UK is certainly catchier..

    Some time before 7/7, some big MI5 or Scotland yard guy said it was a matter not of if but of when. There has been 7/7, the Glasgowairport attack (subsequently quite disruptive) and a few others. I guess the Brits have wind of something. But it ain’t gonna be a prolonged campaign as the logistics are not there.

  • Clo

    Again, I would refrain from wasting life being fearful and suspicious of my fellow human beings. Though of course I suspect agendas outside the sphere of mere concern for public safety.

  • joeCanuck


    It’s good not to allow yourself to be controlled by fear. On the other hand, humans and other animals didn’t survive as species by ignoring the threat form other fierce creatures, including some of our fellow humans. Better to be a bit wary than blown to pieces.

  • Cynic

    ..Ah but the Brits made em do it…honest

    PS Gerry wasn’t there.

    PPS Marty was but never at times when there was a problem to be accounted for

  • Alan, I might be partly or wholly to blame for that!! Quite a few years ago I pointed out to the ONS that ‘Britain’ was a misleading label for the annual digest of statistics in the sense that folks from here wouldn’t say they were in Britain. The changeover took place about two years after my suggestion.

    Later on I made the same point to the folks in the British Embassy in the USA who used the label ‘Britain in the USA’; I also pointed out that ‘UK in the USA’ was indeed snappier or some such!!

    When the FCO rebranded in 2008 it went for ‘`UK in (country name)’ – except, funnily enough, Ireland.

  • Pippakin



  • Cynic, I liked Comical Marty’s Lundy moment, the time when he jumped on a horse near the border and headed for the Bogside. Lundy, in an earlier era, had jumped on a horse in Strabane and headed for Derry when the going got a bit hot.

  • joeCanuck

    Nevin, being from Strabane, the local folklore is the opposite. Lundy got chased out of Derry, on a horse indeed, and fled to Strabane where he hid out in a cave in Strabane glen, locally know as Lundy’s cave. Been there lots as a kid. Who is right I wonder? There is also a promontory in the same glen, called Hamilton’s Leap, where another chased out Derryman ( one of King Jame’s commanders?), is reputed to have jumped off on his horse to avoid certain capture. When about 11 years old, a friend and I discovered the remains of a very old musket just below the leap (wood had mostly rotted away) which we donated to a museum of sorts in a local High School.

  • Real IRA says it will target UK bankers

    Exclusive: Republican terror group vows to resume mainland attacks with banks and bankers now potential targets

    Source: Guardian September 16

  • Joe, the two stories could be right. Mine was attributed to a time just before the seige.

  • Greenflag

    They must have been listening to Simon Hoggart of the Guardian who in an interview around the issue of the British Labour Party leadership , suggested that Ed Milliband may win out over his older brother because he is more traditional Labour . Hoggart in passing noted that bankers and investment hedge fund managers are very unpopular in the UK right now and that if anyone were to echo Lenin’s call ‘ ‘that the last banker should be hung with the guts of the last investment fund manager ‘ that this call would raise a cheer from any audience in the UK or indeed in the USA and although he did not mention Ireland I have no doubt that a cheer would be raised here as well.

    The so called ‘terror groups ‘ could probably do more for their cause’s popularity by foregoing the bombs etc and sticking strictly banker hanging gut routine . But perhaps they should make a formal application to the Greater London Council and /or the Mayor . But they should hope that Ken Livingstone wins back the Mayoralty as he’s more likely to look kindly on any such application than Boris ‘I’m a lad ‘ Johnsonovabitch 😉

  • Greenflag


    You seem to find this surprising ? I don’t 😉

  • Greenflag

    ‘They still read the Classics.’

    Sir Humphrey Appleby lives eh 😉

  • Munsterview


    So you had a gun in your hand at eleven years ?

    Found gun indeed….. that is the oldest story in the book There cannot be a retired or serving branchman North or South who have not heard that a few times !

    Come on, out with it, admit it, Peoples Democracy had an active service unit and you were in the youth wing ?

    You kept that one very quite didn’t you ? Even the Fianna did not start that early !

  • joeCanuck

    Funny, MV. I like your sense of humour.
    Couldn’t figure out earlier why you kept referring to PD. I was there but a few months and left when the communists took it over. Too much idiotic nonsense.

  • tacapall

    You’d think the British people would ask their government why are we being targetted by all these groups of people that want to bring war to our streets, why are we in Iraq, why are we in Afganistan and we thought the Irish problem was sorted and why all this eyeball to eyeball with Iran. Britain like American is no longer a sovereign nation, the government are puppets for the global elite who are engaged in modern day colonialism for control of other countries natural resourses, profit before people and all that, those that pull the strings and hold the keys to the banks are a long way from the battlegrounds they care nothing for the suffering of those who are exposed to their terrorism or the after effects of their greed. Ireland has and always will be a training ground for the foot soldiers of these war mongers, cloak and dagger operations, false flags and all that, put fear into the people to accept a way of life of constant paranoia, where the actions of the government at home and overseas to these threats will be accepted as normal. History proves whenever there is a world recession, along comes a war, its always about money.

  • A Muse for the Weekend

    “Mr Robinson said dissident groups were trying to attract media attention.

    “You have this group who clearly recognise that an incident in Great Britain will get very significantly more media coverage than it would if it was occurring in Northern Ireland,” he said.

    “This is about press coverage. They know they’re not going to advance their cause by it. It’s just some micro groups wanting to advance their PR.”” ….

    They have certainly pulled off quite a coup with the Government and MI5 and now Peter Robinson their PR agents.

    Would this have anything to do with spivving to get increased funding in a time whenever funds are supposed to be hard to come by? …. “Mr Robinson said the move underlined the need for adequate police resources to tackle the threat.”

    Or is it just a case of their being no new intelligence in Intelligence Services to Civil Servants and Governments. You know, a decrepit system and old boy networks bankrupt of Novel Intellectual Property, so therefore forced to milk and bilk the dregs of what they have, no matter how tired and sordid.

  • Greenflag

    History proves


    ‘whenever there is a world recession, along comes a war, ‘

    There were wars long before there were recessions . The Crusades and Mohammed’s Sword led religion, were about ‘spiritual’ matters ‘ and the conflict was over the ‘real’ identity of the ‘invisible’ Deity they both worshipped .

    So while ‘recessions’ may have led to some wars humanity has always found a causus belli whenever one was needed by those who ‘rule’ whether to protect/defend their positions or to increase their power.

    ‘its always about money.’

    Here you are on firmer ground . If not money directly then it’s siblings – power or control over scarce resources, trade , empire building -territorial as in land grabbing or capitalistic in market share winning etc etc

    Starting a war /wars is a lot easier than finishing one- for wars often beget other wars as the history of not just the 20th century shows,

  • joeCanuck


    I have to agree with much of what you say. Yes, especially, it’s always about money (or oil at the moment). I think companies like Goldman Sachs are the real movers and shakers rather than national governments. Be afraid, be very afraid; democracy is always in danger from greedy would be “dictators”. Is it surprising that a former USA vice president’s old company should be the main beneficiary from the war to bring so called democracy to Iraq?

  • tacapall

    Maybe they hadn’t invented the word recession when they were Christianising the world, at the end of the day it was about controlling another country’s resourses, opening up trade routes, making more profit for the rich while the poor were slaughtered.

  • Greenflag

    Time will tell whether Mr Robinson’s worries are justified. If the mad bastards do attack London or elsewhere in the UK , I’m sure the authorities in NI , ROI and the UK will prove capable of dealing with them .

    In the meantime there is a fine balance between not ignoring the possibility of attacks and providing free publicity to dissidents.It seems to me that the latter for whatever reason/reasons seems preferable to this government.

  • lover not a fighter

    I was just going to post a pretty similiar analysis.

    The Dishes could not have found a better PR outfit at any price.

    This new goverment is doing a bit of Fast Tony spin (imitation being the most sincere form of flattery).

    Just think for a minute; Why would you be bigging up outfits like the Dishes.

    Answer; For other reasons with far greater importance that the Dishes.

    As I have said earlier the British people are being educated to see that they are extremely lucky to have this new goverment to ” look after” them. And of course though the new goverment just has to make the cuts if they were’nt there to “look after” them then the people would be annihilated by something e.g. the Dishes.

  • DK

    Except that the whole “targetting bankers” is simply to legitimise their robbing of various branches. And it’ll be some wee cashier who gets killed, not the head of a hedge fund.

  • Precisely.

    For the same reason I can think of no possible smidgeon of a reason whatsoever for raising the temperature [a] a day before the main Opposition party grabs the headlines and [b] when a Home Secretary need to burnish her lamp before a Tory Conference.

    Funny how the securocrats in NI, Dublin and even London do not seem to agree with her.

    Anyway, am I correct in believing that there are two higher levels of alert higher than this? If so, “strong possibility” of an imminent attack seems a trifle over-excitable.

  • [aside] But what about Nenagh, Greenflag?

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    MI5 are more counter-productive than counter-insurgency in their dealings with Ireland – sticking a whole load of these feckers in Ulster is hardly going to win over the hearts and minds of those who feel they need to pick up a gun for their country. It is symptomatic of the Brtisih view of Ireland that they dont realise this.

    There are probably many in the Republican community who although not supporting the dissers would not provide information or help to those now being assigned to catch them.

    Hopefully it wont take an atrocity to make the Englezes realise this.

  • DK,

    The first class of victim ..”some wee cashier” … identifies the perps just as simple criminals, whereas the second class …. “the head of a hedge fund” …. reveals a much more sophisticated operation, with profound implications.

  • Didlee D O’Squat

    There you have the Irish Republican mindset in a nutshell. Neatly put sir!

    They may know that wee Sean has a few bombs under the bed but they ain’t telling cos they don’t like the look of the police/MI5/Uncle Tom Cobley (sounds too much like a Prod name)/whoever.

    And if wee Sean manages to kill a few folks, well after 800 years of oppression it’s themuns fault anyway. We’ll just give our hands a quick wash and tut tut in public.

    All the Shinner spin about giving information is just so much hot air. The bottom line is that Irish Republicans simply don’t do law and order and will continue to turn a blind eye on whatever brand of murder gang that comes along.

  • Pippakin

    Didlee D O’Squat

    I was going to ‘copy & paste’ but frankly your entire comment explains exactly why paramilitaries should not be allowed to succeed.

    If SF and their followers fail to embrace or understand the need for real law and order it is their loss and they must not be allowed to profit from it. peoples lives depend upon the rule of law. If not it’s the rule of the jungle and the playground bully…

  • Munsterview

    DD O’S

    Try squatting on this for a while !

    Health warning : it can be reality altering. However in your case I think you are safe enough !

  • Pippakin


    I read it and surprise, surprise it is more of the same. It has been known for decades that the British army considered the north an ideal training ground. Is that a good reason to encourage young Irish people to die. I don’t think so.

    Any fool would know the Brits and whoever else would take what they knew from wherever, including the north, and adapt it for whatever good it might be in Iraq and Afghanistan. Do you suppose the US is not disecting the same information now that they are faced with the same problem.

    Be careful before you answer the like of Peter King may find out…

  • Greenflag

    Of course DK -it’s always the wee cashiers of the world who get ‘cashiered’ -tens of millions in WWI and even more in WW2.:(

  • lover not a fighter

    I think there may be some extortion/protection racket in play here.

    Can you call it extortion/protection racket when its security “services” and politicians that are doing it !

  • Munsterview


    This was not particularly aimed at you; rather it was meant for the party named.

    However as we are in contact I find your…….

    “…………Any fool would know the Brits and whoever else would take what they knew from wherever, including the north…….” somewhat bemusing !

    By your criteria, certain regular slugger posters must have a very high IQ indeed, as I keep getting challenged regarding spooks using the North for their own ends in a way that has little to do with the bests interests of local politics reaching accommodations.

    In fact they have the direct opposite effect on community relations !

    Where for instance is the ‘fifty seven different varieties on this one’ no sarcasm or pithy put down among all those varieties ?

    Now good lady if you are so politically literate and aware on these matters, why did you so stridently contend with my claims recently that

    1) the armed attacks in the East of the Six Counties was spook led and controlled and

    2) that there could be no moral or other equivalent to a Catholic family suffering a sustained twelve hour siege and a Protestant family having a bullet ot two dropped through their letter box and a bit of shouting done by sources known to them to be friendly and no threat and

    3) that apportioning equal blame to both was adding insult to to the injury that the catholic / nationalist family had received ?

  • Munsterview

    lover etc,

    Speculation, mis-information or dis-information ?

  • Pippakin


    You misunderstand the reasoning behind my objection to some of your comments. It is not that I disbelieve you! it is rather that I don’t see any good being served going over old ground. More importantly I totally disagree with young Irish people being served up as some sort of practice for British military.

  • Munsterview


    “……. More importantly I totally disagree with young Irish people being served up as some sort of practice for British military…….”

    Agreed on that !

    However since ‘normal politics’ have not been allowed to work free of spook interference, the IRA not subscribing to the GFA , ( that is what the dissidents really are, minority IRA sections who disagreed with the majority accepted course of action to disarm and work solely through politics for the present ) can now claim with some justification, that the Brits are not ready for normal politics.

    If there is a sustained return to armed response, the Brits will not have it all their own way; there are probably more ‘lily whites’ working across the water and well settled in, waiting for the call than they are training for the Kildare County team and subs.

    This new phase will be as different from the Provos as the Provos were different from the 56 campaign IRA. Rather than what you contend, I have a feeling that more than a few Brits will be served up to the IRA before the spooks get a handle on this new phase of the aged old fight !

  • Pippakin


    The vast majority of the people, north and south, voted for peace, and that is what is important. Anyone or group interfering or attempting to bypass that decision is going against the will of the Irish people.

    Dissidents or whatever they are calling themselves this time are betraying the people of Ireland when they harm Irish people.

  • tacapall

    Pippakin, are you living in a world of your own, ”

    “If SF and their followers fail to embrace or understand the need for real law and order it is their loss and they must not be allowed to profit from it. peoples lives depend upon the rule of law. If not it’s the rule of the jungle and the playground bully”…

    Do you not think you shoud go and see a doctor about your infatuation with Sinn Fein, the topic is about dissident republicans, hardly sinn fein – are they not administering British rule in the six counties. Sinn Fein have abondoned their grass roots in their attempts to gain the middle class vote, their infatuation with the SDLP has cost them dearly in nationalist working class areas. The otherselves alone mantra has and will come back to haunt them for they did indeed look after themselves alone.

  • Gendjinn

    Terrorism performed by UK citizens is surely British terrorism, not Irish?

  • joeCanuck

    Do you not think you should go and see a doctor..

    That wouldn’t be woman playing, would it?

  • Pippakin


    SF have not abandoned their grass roots, don;t be silly! nor are they, apparently, averse to violence in their own communities if the opposition are seen as either a nuisance or a threat.

    The law should apply to all equally, it rarely does of course but that is no reason not to aspire to it.

    My comment was in response was to Dilly O Squat and his comment was about the dissidents and SF.

    You are wearing your SF blinkers again.

  • tacapall

    Pippakin you are having a laugh, “SF have not abandoned their grass roots”. Try telling that to the people who spent most of their lives in jail for the armchair generals or those volunteers who are not reaping the benefits of the GFA unlike Gerry and Co who are now very rich men and women who can travel the world at a moments notice and get wined and dined in their armani suits at exclusive clubs in America etc while the johnny nobody’s cant get into the likes of America because they spent time in jail. Tell that to all those ex volunteers and ex prisoners who cant find employment because of their pasts, or those who see the fancy cars and big houses that certain people who never worked a day in their lives have. Tell that to those who listened to or read the words from Sinn Fein about bringing jobs to nationalist areas through building projects etc but the people from those areas cant get a job on the sites. I imagine its easy to tell what the locals in Belfast, Derry, Lurgan etc think via Cork or wherever you live. I for one know they have abandoned their grass roots and the next time we see them will be when they have the begging bowls out for votes or when some incident has happened and they think they can get some political mileage or a government grant out of it.

  • Greenflag

    You might think that Genjinn and that could even be posited as a theory. In practice once you call the dog ‘Rover’ it can be confusing for everybody and not just the dog to change it’s name to Spot

  • This quote from “Standing the test of time: Revising the British Army’s counterinsurgency doctrine.” ……..“The modern battlefield-a multidimensional, ill-defined place where a nation’s ability to apply non-kinetic elements of national power is as important to victory as the application of firepower-is so revolutionary it demands that we educate our citizens to its consequences.” …. ….. creates an enigmatic dilemma on the modern battlefield, for the information needed to educate the citizenry and the military effectively, is undoubtedly highly classified and way above Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information, and therefore invariably never given in a Status Quo and Politically Incorrect Establishment which generates Dissention, because of Obvious Inequities and Perverse Inequalities. And quite a lot of it will be beyond their limited comprehension, and be extremely powerful information and controlling intelligence.*

    What you can be sure of today, is that things are not as they were before, and therefore the results will be completely different, and in no short measure, aided and abetted by that which is revealed in another quote from the above cited paper …..“The rapid diffusion of technology, the growth of a multitude of transnational factors, and the consequences of increasing globalization and economic interdependence, have coalesced to create national security challenges remarkable for their complexity.”

    * The sort that has MI6 losing raw naked assets in locked holdalls.

    “Health warning : it can be reality altering.” …. Munsterview 25 September 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Munsterview, Is that the same as Virtual Reality delivering … ?

  • Yes, well, say no more, squire …….. [blockquote]Mr Williams is understood to have been a key member of a joint team assembled by MI6, GCHQ and the NSA at Fort Meade, where he was helping create defences for both Britain and the US against cyber attack by hostile countries.

    He was given his own work station, equipped with a supercomputer with a secure link to GCHQ and MI6.

    According to an intelligence source “his clearance was so high that he had access to over 30 categories of information which NSA had gathered”. From Fort Meade he would also visit the Pentagon, the headquarters of the US Department of Defence.

    Harry Ferguson, a former MI6 officer, said Mr Williams would have been a high-value asset if he had been recruited by a foreign agency.

    It is understood that his remit at the NSA was to develop new defences that he would introduce to his post at GCHQ’s Office of Cyber Security (OCS) on his return. [/blockquote] ….

    In CyberSpace, one cannot offer defense unless one discovers systemic vulnerabilities which can be remotely exploited and ambiguously and invisibly attacked ….. ?

  • Pippakin


    I agree with you about ex combatants. It seems to me paramilitaries in general have abandoned them to poverty and in some cases illness caused by their previous activities. An amnesty would enable them to have ‘clean slates’ and any medical or counselling assistance they need. This is a very important and almost completely ignored area.

    The problem is not so much the lack of employment, there is hardly any work anywhere on this island. It seems to me the biggest problem is people in certain communities are, in some cases, intimidated into silence. SF need to outgrow their past and I have not seen much sign of that.

    The dissidents are not helping the situation because instead of legitimately standing up to the paramilitaries in their own communities they are just more of the same and clearly communities at the moment are saying ‘better the devil you know’.

    What did you think was going to happen and what do you think would happen if, say within the next three years, Ireland is united? Do you think these guys are going to just go back to the ‘plough’? I doubt that very much.

  • Pippakin

    tacapall and I cross swords from time to time, always about SF.

    He/she appears to be a fan of the ‘dark romanticism’ of some commenters. I most definitely am not.

    I suspect the difference is age.

  • tacapall

    In case you dont know Pippakin they ” The dissidents ” are the paramilitaries and I am certainly not some “dark romanticist” I mearly have a set of eyes that are not blinkered by propaganda and manipulation by those who’s agenda is more about the accumulation of wealth rather than the ideals that they preached and that goes for both sides in the past conflict. I know what its like to not experience watching ones kids grow up or watching friends kids growing up without a mother or a father. I guess some people give and lost a lot more than others and are now saying what was all that for, so as these people can live a life of luxury.

  • Greenflag

    McDonnell might think that Nevin but being a Dub I could’nt possibly comment . Is it near Peterborough ;)?

  • Pippakin


    Really? Not a dark romanticist? Ok, then stop singing the praises of paramilitaries. There is no right way to murder people and republicanism, even if it were not responsible for the deaths of more Irish people than any other group/gang/army during the troubles, is not a good enough cause.

    I have said above and in previous threads that I believe an amnesty is the best way to move forward. Not because I want to see murderers go free but because I can SEE that some ex activists have serious problems and need help, that they are not getting help from previous colleagues is also obvious and damning.

    What then are you in favour of? The British leave, and what, the guns and thugs disappear? No way! What they have they will do their best to keep.

    Catholic this and Protestant that is nothing more than a fig leaf for some people who have used it to make a lot of money and in so doing have left a lot of people with wounds still raw.

    There is equality in the north, there has been since the early seventies. In a democracy the vote has to be the only way to bring about the change so many of us want and violence delays that change.

    If you are for a UI and want to see children growing in security and comfort you have to be against all paramilitaries.

  • tacapall

    Pippakin is what Im writing on my keyboard coming up different on yours ! Where have I sung the praises of dissidents ? Where have I condoned the murder of anyone, I support no-one but myself and my family but when I see comments on here from people who live far away about the situation and goings on where I live then I will respond. As for the comment, “There is equality in the north, there has been since the early seventies”. – That is taking the biscuit.

  • Pippakin


    The situation in some communities in the north is shameful in a democracy but whose fault is it? Who is actually responsible. The PSNI who do nothing much for fear of offending anyone. The paramilitaries of whatever shade, the politicians?

    The answer as far as I can see is all of them and us! and I don’t live so far away I don’t know what’s going on. People, if there are any, on Mars know whats going on!

    Equality in the north, may be ‘taking the biscuit’ as far as you are concerned but unionists/loyalists would say the pendulum has swung too far and they are now the ones treated as inferior and the truth is most British politicians find themselves more in ‘tune’ with nationalists than they do with loyalists.

    You usually appear with a comment condemning the Brits on every subject from Afghanistan through the alphabet and I notice distance from the subject is never allowed to restrict you. I have yet to see you extend that condemnation to the US, whose lead the Brits usually follow. The news I heard earlier this week was that the Brits had promised the US they would keep their nuclear deterrent.

    Please stop with the personal abuse it is unnecessary.

  • “I think there may be some extortion/protection racket in play here.

    Can you call it extortion/protection racket when its security “services” and politicians that are doing it !” …. lover not a fighter 25 September 2010 at 8:21 pm

    Of course you can, lover not a fighter, for they don’t get paid if there is no chaos to quell and pontificate about. And drivering it, to command and control it, is the ages old, Great Game. However, nowadays there are significant Others and Non State Actors about whom they would know, if not exactly nothing, then precious little to be able to do anything about whatever they would be doing, for that which they would be doing, would be virtually unknown to them, although they would be known to be doing something. [Crikey, that sounds like the famous Rumsfeldism ….”Reports that say that something hasn’t happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns — the ones we don’t know we don’t know.“]

    And this tells it nearly like it is ….The White House is still trying to figure out how the government could aid the response to an attack on the private sector. If there were an attack today, Gen. Alexander said, his Cyber Command does not have the authority to respond to it.

    “We need to come up with a more dynamic or active defense,” he said. “That is what we are working on right now.” The Cyber Command is developing a response model, he said, that Homeland Security and the White House might seek to adapt to the civilian sector.

    John Sawers, the head of MI6, Britain’s foreign intelligence service, told a private meeting of a U.K. parliamentary panel this year that “the whole question of cyber security is shooting up everybody’s agendas,” and that it is “a major new challenge to the intelligence community.”

    Jonathan Evans, his counterpart at MI5, the domestic security service, said, “I don’t think we are where we need to be.”

    NATO also needs to develop the means to identify attacks in the early stages and to better detect the source of any attacks, Mr. Rasmussen said. It has set up a new department to cope with the issue: the Emerging Security Challenges Division. …. ….. although having the authority to respond to irregular and unconventionally disruptive and possibly catastrophic cyber activity is a worthless facility without having the inhouse ability and intelligence feed needed to replace what is really in the above defense against attack manifestations, just a trailing reaction, with a comprehensive and commanding control which leads with a much more attractive, leading proaction.

    And that is just a Simply Complex Intellectual Property Exercise which Introduces a Completely Different Great Game for ……. well, Power Elites and NeuReal and SurReal World Order Boffins are I suppose, an Obvious Target Sector.

    “Through a U.N. working group, the U.S., China, Russia and other countries have taken initial steps to devise ground rules for cyber crime and cyber warfare.” …… How very delusional to imagine that CyberIntelAIgents would be bounded by, rather than police any pedestrian rules. Indeed it is …. a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World. 🙂

    And I think have said more than just enough for today. Have youse a nice day, now.

  • tacapall

    Ta bron orm Pippakin if I have offended you – no offense intended. As for commenting on America my first comment on this thread.

    ” Britain like American is no longer a sovereign nation, the government are puppets for the global elite who are engaged in modern day colonialism for control of other countries natural resourses, profit before people and all that, those that pull the strings and hold the keys to the banks are a long way from the battlegrounds they care nothing for the suffering of those who are exposed to their terrorism or the after effects of their greed”.

  • Pippakin


    Gan a bheith buartha. I think I must be getting hyper sensitive in my old age!

    You are right most conflicts abroad are now, and probably always were, about money and there are less places to exploit now. I’m not sure about Afghanistan. I have not heard there is anything much there.

  • tacapall
  • Munsterview


    “……. As for the comment, “There is equality in the north, there has been since the early seventies”. – That is taking the biscuit…….”

    Whatever of acquiring a biscuit, such comments do show how really uninformed some posters are about even the most basic of the realities of everyday life for some Northern communities.

  • Pippakin


    I am not your enemy. Enough of this it is beginning to look like hounding.

  • Munsterview


    Good we agree on something! Neither do I regard you in that light. Whats more I also like cats!

    Well ! what am is supposed to do when I see some inane statement from whatever source ?

    If I am to stay engaged I challenge, if can not, I just go back to reading only, the position of most republicans re slugger.

    I have no problem what so ever with your opposition to the use of Armed Force in internal State politics or the those like myself that believed that the use of such force was necessary. Neither do I have any problem with you opposition to current dissident armed activity.

    All I ask in this regard is that if you oppose violence and physical force in politics then do not be selective; oppose it across the board not only from Republican sources, but also from Loyalists and from State Forces and agencies.

    Uninformed views in the North do wound and cut deeply in the Nationalist communities. I could no more ignore that hurt and pain arising from an uninformed viewpoint, irrespective who well meaning that viewpoint is, no more than I would ignore it from Hinze or Pesky or JohnEB.

    Why should I ?

    This is open debate or supposed to be

    . Simple thing, Pip as I have pointed out to you before, a basic qualification such as in my opinion…. or it seems to me…..or it appears to me…… and then I have no problem of considering your viewpoint on anything.

    When I leave a Northern Community as I did some weeks ago with an appreciation of how things were first hand in mid Ulster and then have to see posted as fact something that I patently know is not fact, then of course I will take issue with that and ask the person making such a statement as to their authority to make it.

    Is that so unreasonable ?

    Hounding…….. come on, do not destroy my illusions, where is this East End come out fighting woman and ……” I can give as good as I get ” attitude ?

    However if it is pass the tissues time, then I will try not to upset you in future …….well not until the next thread anyway !

  • Pippakin


    I am so pleased you like cats. How are you on goats Im saving up to have enough land for two.

    If I have ever given you or anyone the impression I approve of any violence whatsoever I can only apologise! I thought I had been very clear: I am against all violence whoever and whatever is the cause of it.

    No tissues necessary. I probably owe you another apology. I have a bad temper and I know it! If only I could save it for when it’s required!!!

  • joeCanuck

    I think that the USA were genuine in the reason to go to war in Afghanistan, to eliminate Al Quida who had essentially taken over with the aid of the Taliban.
    As for there being nothing there, it was announced a few months ago that exploration showed them to be sitting on untold billions of dollars of mineral wealth.

  • Pippakin


    Oh well that makes it all alright then, mind I agree the US were right to chase Al Quiada back to their lair, they had no other choice.

  • joeCanuck

    No, Pippakin,

    We both know that it does not make it all right.
    Dick Chaney’s old company, Haliburton has made hundreds of millions of dollars from the war in Iraq. I believe that war was about money, particularly oil money apart from the reconstruction costs at ridiculous “western” prices, with bidders limited to the lucky few.

  • Pippakin


    I know it doesn’t. Haliburton are on their way to infamy. As for Cheney, what can I say about the little coward, he’s never too far from a hospital bed? just in case. And meanwhile he has been one of the most vociferous voices sending young people off to war. All the time with one eye on the profit margins…

    Who says war doesn’t pay.

  • tacapall

    I have a comment awaiting moderation from 1.22 pm yesterday pointing out the vast wealth of minerals and oil that has been found in Afghanistan, the links supplied are from reuters, the independant and the guardian, is that censorship by Pete.

  • joeCanuck

    I had an innocent comment embargoed a while back. Turned out it was an automatic thing by the WordPress program because of a word I used.
    Try resubmitting (check the language first).

  • joeCanuck

    Oh, another thing, I think I remember Paul saying that there is a limit to the number of links commenters can use. Otherwise auto embargoing.

  • Munsterview

    As you are referring to the subject; would the ‘powers that be’ consider another two links to make three in all. One is too restrictive !

  • tacapall

    Here you go about Afghanistan Pippakin, its just modern day colonialism the rich get richer while the poor get slaughtered.


  • tacapall

    Thank you Joe you were right 3 links is too much

  • Pippakin


    Thanks I will read them. I’m sorry you had such a delay in getting them through.

    joe has mentioned the possibility of wealth in Afghanistan. I must confess I had not heard of it. The idealist in me wants to believe that the minerals etc were not discovered until after the invasion, but somehow I doubt that…