UK to leave the EU on 29th March 2019 at 11pm

The UK Government has confirmed that it will enshrine the date and time of leaving the EU as Friday 29th March 2019 at 11pm (midnight Central European Time).

The BBC reports;

Mrs May, in an article in the Telegraph, said the decision to put the date of Brexit “on the front page” of the EU Withdrawal Bill showed the government was determined to see the process through.

“Let no-one doubt our determination or question our resolve, Brexit is happening,” she said.

 

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  • Marcus Orr

    You are right, the UK Brexit team is a bad joke. It shows the real problem which is that the majority of the Conservative party didn’t want to leave the EU. Cameron certainly didn’t and neither did May. Boris has just been playing with the issue from the start and is a poor politician imo. It is difficult to lead a team to negotiate something the public has voted for when most of your team where pro EU beforehand and now have to do something that they don’t really have their heart in.

  • The Saint

    Whatever the UK reasons were, front and centre is the legal of the union they elected to leave and the Irish border is as much that as any other arrangement within the EU.

    You cannot choose a new direction and claim those that have remained consistent bear any responsibility for that directional change.

    The UK decision is inconsistent with what it states in relation to the Irish border. Tory manipulation at its most obvious.

    If there is a legal hard border due to legalities as the UK is responsible for that change in the status quo, regardless of who man’s it, the UK is clearly responsible for those changes.

    If the UK fails to maintain all the agreements that ensure GFA principles are upheld, Govt.Ire will have no issue whatsoever proving this on the international stage.

  • NotNowJohnny

    Perhaps not. But I think it is helpful to see it written down.

  • NotNowJohnny

    I am aware of this. In fact I could give you a long list.

  • NotNowJohnny

    No. But then again I didn’t ask specifically ask them this. I find that having a conversation with a Brexiteer is akin to the conversations I have with myself after I’ve come home following a long night in the pub.

  • Food First

    If the U K leaves things as thy are & just imposeses checks at ports & airports & the E U insists on a hard border this will look like a new version of the Berlin Wall
    The wondrous E U erecting barriers to keep its citizens in very Warsaw Pact

  • SeaanUiNeill

    The supreme court ruled that this only applied to the constitutional sovereignty of NI. I think there was one abstention on this. By far the more interesting thing was that the ruling stated that the matter of the overall constitutional arrangements were a matter reserved to Westminster, and as such fell under the full control of Parliament only, accordingly they were “non justiable” or beyond legal challenge. In the recent McClean challenge the issue was similarly ruled as outside of what English courts could form a legal ruling over, as the Belfast Agreement had no status in English common law!!!!

    Interesting, because this effectively means that there is no way of enforcing any of the terms of the Agreement through the legal system, even if HM Government is in breech of any of them! The challenge has been to my mind most valuable in exposing that legal interpretation alone.

  • hgreen

    To be replaced by Labour who will give the DUP what they want…. mmmm?

  • eamoncorbett

    Here’s a great example, ” We will not tolerate a border on the Irish Sea , it is a red line issue for us ” Geoffrey Donaldson .

  • Sean Danaher

    Given that by one measure GVA per employee Cork is the most productive city in Europe (London is second) it would be interesting to predict when Cork will overtake Belfast as Ireland’s second city economically. I’m not sure how far behind Belfast it is at present

  • Brendan Heading

    we’re in total agreement Sean!

  • Brendan Heading

    It shows the real problem which is that the majority of the Conservative party didn’t want to leave the EU.

    But that isn’t the problem.

    The problem is that the majority of the House of Commons, including the majority of the Conservative Party, believe that it isn’t possible to leave the EU without causing serious damage. This belief extends across the academic, business and research sectors of society.

    Few people who actually know what they are talking about believe that brexit can or will work. That’s why this is such a difficult issue. If people actually believed it could work the matter would be approached by the government with significantly more enthusiasm.

    That is why a large part of the brexit debate involves discrediting out of hand the opinions of intellectuals and experts.

  • Brendan Heading

    there are people on here who said that nothing was said on sovereignty in the referendum question posed in 1975. Go back and read what I actually wrote.

    you’re splitting hairs here marcus.

  • Brendan Heading

    Thatcher was a strong advocate of joining, she was gulled into being a big supporter through her free market tendencies.

    The common market was and is, fundamentally, a capitalist construct. That’s why Labour refused to support it for a long time, and why Corbyn still opposes it.

    She was of course right, and they were proved wrong, on the issue that they ousted her for – her opposition to the UK joining the hard ecu.

    Oh, sure. It was nothing whatsoever to do with the piffling matters of the poll tax or her tendency to dismiss the views of her own ministers out of hand.

  • Brendan Heading

    that isn’t an example not not accepting something. That’s a politician saying he will not accept something.

    I mentioned elsewhere that the DUP have options here that others do not. They can, at the moment, bring down the government.

  • Brendan Heading

    That “logic” is not entirely unreasonable James. Things like this can and do cause internal conflicts within countries and, left unchecked, can lead to serious political instability.

  • Marcus Orr

    Nope you’re the one who’s splitting hairs Brendan, I never claimed that no-one in 1975 ever brought up the issue, indeed I was very aware that Powell had done so but was reduced to a political also-ran from that time onwards. With the Brexit referendum result last year a lot of people (Farage etc.) are going back to 1975 and praising Powell in hindsight (I had already seen that clip you linked to before, it wasn’t news to me as I said), that doesn’t change the fact that he was isolated politically at that time, or did you think he became an Ulster Unionist because he was going up in the world politically speaking ?

  • Marcus Orr

    I rather like Corbyn actually and I’m glad he opposes the EU(though he has to be a wee bit coy about it because he wants to keep the Blairites on board), he’s a throw-back to Tony Benn’s opposition back in the 1970’s at the time of the original referendum. Labour changed its tack around 1988 if I remember correctly, when Jacques Delors intimated that the UK would have to get with it concerning EU social labour legislation.
    On Thatcher (who is not my idol by the way) you are simply wrong – Heseltine, Major and Howe putsched her on the EU issue (they were Europhiles, and she was blocking mightily). Poll tax was not the reason she fell.

  • Marcus Orr

    Brendan that’s just an argument based on “expert” opinion – those who know what they’re talking about (academics, business, researchers) know it won’t work, those who don’t know what they’re talking about (such as myself, thank’ee for the nice ad homimem) have no idea of what a terrible harm this will cause.
    Sorry but that’s a tad weak. But for the record I was against the holding of the referendum in the first place, because it is an almost unused tool and basically unconstitutional in the UK, in which Parliament is supposed to be supreme – see the correct legal decision by the Supreme Court afterwards which stipulated that the referendum was not legally binding on Westminster.
    I am for leaving the EU, but I am not naïve enough to believe that it will work when we have this situation, a near-on constitutional crises, with Parliament, media, academia, judges strongly pro-remain. The only way to properly leave the Superstate is to have a party win a majority first in parliament on this issue and then do it because their heart’s in it, not the situation we have here, where Europhile Cameron holds a referendum in an attempt to destroy UKIP, loses it, and then forces his own majority Europhile elected party to drag through the thing because it’s the will of the people…

  • Sean Danaher

    I was in UCD shortly after the Brexit referendum and one comment was that if Ireland was still part of the UK there would have been sufficient remain votes for the UK as a whole to remain. There is as far as I can tell an almost universal feeling that the UK has become even more imbalanced after Irish independence and Ireland has gained far more than it has lost. The opposite is true for the UK. Ireland leaving has made Tory majorities and governments easier, but I’m a progressive so maybe I’m biassed.

  • Kevin Breslin

    The New 350 million pound a week.

  • Georgie Best

    There was oddly dysfunctional thinking in Wales re Brexit, so an Ireland that had wanted to remain in the UK might have been entirely overcome by the Stockholm Syndrome.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    All very true! Alice Stopford Green’s “ The Making of Ireland and its Undoing” describes the trajectory of Ireland’s development into a normal European country at the close of the Middle Ages, and the utter disruption of this development by the Elizabethan conquest, independence permitted Ireland to begin to restore its cultural status in Europe, and membership of the EU has dramatically ensured the full return of a modern fair and balanced Ireland to the family of European states.

    The UK has to my mind also lost out since 1920, and the poisoning of what was potentially a fruitful friendship with a Home Rule Ireland by the destruction of that trajectory through the fluffing about evasions over the Unionist challenge of 1912. That same Tory jingoism which supported the Unionist derailing tactics now finds expression in the very similar politics of hyperbolic exaggeration over the exit from Europe. Plus ca change….

  • Karl

    Didnt you get the latest memo from Mick? The DUP didnt go through because of the ease with which SF could pull down the whole thing again. ILA was no longer the blocking issue.

    I badly worded that point. I was trying to say that the campaign for the new Assembly would be skewed into a pro / anti EU debate.

    Under a hard Brexit both Alliance and the greens will do exactly that.

    Lets look at the motives behind each.

    The secretary of state – for NI to remain in the customs union, May will aready have done a deal with the EU to Englands benefit which goes against unionist wishes.
    The EU would love a lesson of Brexit for other countries to be your territorial integrity may be a victim of it.
    The Irish govt know the impact of Brexit on ROI and have calculated that unification is preferable once it is backed by the EU and has a sizable portion of soft unionists with it.

    Theres no crack pipe and we’re closer to all this happening than you realise.

  • John Taylor

    The date is a moveable feast. Theresa May will not be there and who knows Article 50 might be revoked or another Referendum. Anything is possible in Brexit wonderland. I would not hold your breath. However I would predict Stormont will still be an empty Pigeon loft with heat and lights on 24/7.

  • John Taylor

    We don’t play Hurley old son, we play Cricket. Have you ever played it?

  • John Taylor

    It may not happen at all, UK government like headless chickens, Cabinet implosion very likely in early 2018, anything is possible in Brexit wonderland.

  • Neiltoo

    Cricket? Yes, Hurley, no. I think you’ve got the wrong end of the stick, if you’ll excuse the pun.