Watch Hillary Clinton’s very funny Trump attack ad…

As the Donald becomes the last Republican presidential candidate standing, the Clinton camp put out this very effective attack video. The video features clips of every major Republican figure slatting Trump.

Trump was once a joke but now he just got very serious. Do you think he has a chance of winning the Whitehouse? Or will Hillary be the first female US President?

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  • chrisjones2

    Perhaps Mary Lou could do an ad like than on the SF Leadership ……

  • Sharpie

    I know some fairly savvy Americans who are very afraid right now. Given that everything has been chucked at him and he still keeps going – the establishment has to be clever about how to respond. He is tapping into something that people need to heed, as did Bernie Sanders, Jeremy Corbyn, Podemos, etc. They are all celebrated for sticking two fingers to the establishment.

    Somebody can be very clever about harnessing that disaffection, and indeed need to because the establishment will come back like a full bore nuclear attack on trying to shut down the possibility of this ever happening again.

    I’d imagine the Republicans will field a spoiler candidate, as a Conservative Independent.

    I think its a great shame because Hilary Clinton will not gain the acclaim for being the first female POTUS which is in itself monumental. I think she will make a great President and maybe there is opportunity to work across the rift if she gains support from parts of the Republican Party to defeat Trump.

  • whatif1984true

    Glasshouses people. WHO will you elect today and WHY . More importantly pause and think what others here and around the world think of us and our politicians and us the electorate. Laugh at Trump but but do so while considering those who have personally murdered/maimed and those who start wars, bomb innocents and all the other horrors. If your answer comes down to ‘my vote goes to someone born in the same camp as me’, shame.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    If I had a Green candidate on offer I might just look for the car keys, but I’d still be under no illusions that the Green presence at Stormoint is going to be inevitably the role of a lamb sitting down with five wolves to discuss lunch.

  • On the fence!

    That’s right, vote Hilary, she’s the good one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Msiegnaro

    Laugh as one might, this is an individual who has went against the grain and spoken exactly as he sees it without any spin or nuances. Trump has defied the media, the establishment and political correctness and in doing so has struck a chord with a sizeable block in the US that few others have ever done.

    Whilst I don’t agree with everything he stands for, I do like his more honest spin free approach.

  • Jim M

    Surely you do have a Green candidate on offer – I thought they were standing in every constituency?

  • Msiegnaro

    Green as in true Republican rather than the quasi Socialist party SF impersonate.

  • Msiegnaro

    Clinton will make a great president, on what do you base this very spurious assertion on?

  • SeaanUiNeill

    You’re quite correct Jim, Dawn Patterson is standing in East Antrim. But I very much doubt that she’ll even get to sit down with the five wolves to discuss anything whatsoever……

    There’s a lot of solid “standing order” voting in East Antrim! Why should I waste my time and petrol dropping my vote down the abyss?

  • Dan

    I hope Trump wins.
    The meltdown in ‘progressive’ world will be epic and hilarious in equal measure.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Well for a start she’s well to the forefront of other contenders for quite a while on some issues, for one thing she is preparing for her future impeachment even before getting to the White House….

    Even Trump cannot compete with that.

  • Msiegnaro

    Tipping my hat sir!

  • Sharpie

    As they did with her husband and with Obama – the neo-conservatives will come at her. The cannot stand her liberal agenda, even though we would recognise it as somewhere near the Tories.

  • Sharpie

    Really? You want to know why. But you admire Donald Trump’s honest spin free approach. Make America Great Again. Can you tell me which particular Trump policies that you think will improve USA or the world?

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Sharpie, it’s all my genuine LIBERAL and leftist friends in the USA from the 1960s who alerted me to the real facts! Hilary, like her husband or like Obama, like most of the front contenders for as long as you can remember, are all in the pockets of those who fund them, and you know, it’s the same people for both political camps pretty much.

    If they chafe at this you get some really bad press, like “honest Jimmy Carter”………..

    And yes, with the US political scene in the hands of Big Money the “fairly savvy Americans” have every reason to be “very afraid right now” no matter who wins. Under Obama it has become mandatory for any US citizen flying fro state to state to carry their passports and for the collection of taxes from the poor to be put in the hands of private firms of leg breakers. But as a life-long anarchist, I’d have expected no less from the shiny bright “liberals”! It’s not as if that great American Emma Goldman did not warn you about all of this well over a century ago!!!

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Thank you kindly. Good to find something we can agree on, sir!

  • Nevin

    Friends of Israel in competition: Hillary v Donald.

  • Msiegnaro

    Yes it’s always nice.

  • Msiegnaro

    He’s a builder and wants to build things – that can only be good.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    More than that, It’ll be the only path to us all becoming a single community were we can trust one another! Despite my tendency to reprise Ed Reardon in my post, I’m genuinely interested i what we can all actually agree on, for me the rest is simply so much dross!

  • Sharpie

    I enjoyed watching the recent BBC documentary on Obama’s presidency and in particular how it demonstrated that the job is not one of bombast but negotiation, patience, deal-making. He candidly admitted the limits to his power, the power of the role. The massed vested interests go from the nuns, to the oil lobby, to the Jewish, to the Latinos, the military and of course the insane gun lobby. How do you govern in the midst of that with a partisan house and senate? There may well need to be a refresh of the tri-partite executive – but it is much the same in every country – even UK and in Ireland.

    The danger is a simple-minded rush to the person with the easy answers. To single out a section of the population and vilify them and blame the woes of the masses on them as Trump is doing with the Mexicans and Muslims, well, it is straight out of facism 101.

  • Anglo-Irish

    As someone who takes an extremely cynical and jaundiced view of politicians and the establishment in general I am all for overturning the established order.

    The thing being I was kind of hoping that it would be with a better alternative as opposed to a potentially disastrous worse alternative.

    Trump is in no way qualified to be president of the most powerful country in the world.

    He is a bully boy, a blusterer, and someone totally in love with his own self image.

    One of his original campaign team is on record as saying that he only ran in the first place in order to raise the Trump profile to its maximum. He had no intention of making a serious bid but when people started jumping on the bandwagon ( initially as a protest vote ) and it then gathered momentum it went to his head and his ego took over.

    The woman who explained that has resigned from his team as not only has it got beyond a joke in her opinion it’s getting dangerous.

    An unstable bully boy with an enlarged ego and inflated ideas as to his own ability isn’t what we need as leader of the ‘free world’.

  • DOUG

    Doesn’t he just license is name to be used on developments? Or have I got that wrong?

  • Ciaran O’Connor

    Thread discussing Donald Trump/Hilary Clinton and the election of the President of the United States.

    “Can’t we get Sinn Fein into this?”

    Oh OK then.

  • Teddybear

    The people are turning against the ‘liberal’ elite who seem to think they know better than us the great unwashed in their eyes.

    Trump is his own man and in no ones pockets. This makes him less prone to cronyism and corruption. Electing Clinton would be merely electing Wall St and Goldman Sachs to the White House.

    The poor only care about improving their lot. They don’t care about liberal flummery such as LGBT equality etc. The moribund middle classes feel the pinch and will vote accordingly.

    The poor are too dejected to make a difference unfortunately but beware any nation that hurts it’s middle classes. History tells us that they put strong men and women into power for the much needed shock therapy that nations sometime need to go through now and then

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Sharpie, I agree, “a simple-minded rush to the person with the easy answers” is always going to simply create other problems. But would you include Obama’s evident enthusiasm for drone strikes here?

    We really need to bring the electorate more into the picture, my one preferences would be for “direct democracy.” the older I get (and I was active in the 1960s here) the less I find myself able to trust “leaders” of any hue. I had an invite to Jimmy Carter’s inauguration, but after noting how he was treated when he actually attempted to act on things inimical to the vested interests, I note that no later president has seriously challenged the big vested interests. This is all very broad, I know, but I’m hardly going to go into a lot of the kind of detail that is needed, things that make me so cynical about the Us political culture, such as (for example) Laurence Rockerfeller’s semi-private statement that the world will be a much better place when it’s run by real experts such as bankers and academics and this consultation nonsense of elections is seen as irrelevant. Such men have to put up with there inconvenience of elections for now, but the way the world’s going, Trump is to my mind only the tip of a great iceberg.

  • whatif1984true

    Global sentiment is with those who vociferously shout at establishment politicos eg Unionist/Republican.

  • Teddybear

    Here here

  • SeaanUiNeill

    How do we, wi1984t, collectively grow out of these “established politicos” playground version of politics? Not as long as we (collectively) continue to have “standing order” voting along the lines of inherited politics here! The world can despair, but here come the “dreary steeples” yet again this election……….

  • Chingford Man

    In the interests of balance…

  • Sharpie

    Firstly the Drone strikes are an aberration albeit a reaction to the horrors of “boots on the ground” experiences that US had suffered in Iraq and Afghanistan during the Bush years and made it impossible to go back there.

    Secondly I sometimes wonder if we will ever arrive at a system of governance that works. Nothing in the past has been robust enough, although I think the wisdom council at the tribal or community level worked really well until neighbouring or foreign marauders eventually and inevitably turned up – killing the system all over the world. We have an amazing ability to collaborate – not always for good.

    The more “integrated” our world becomes the easier it is for corporations to become even more powerful than any national politician or parliament.

    Transnationalism is a civil partner to this but somehow we hold more opprobrium for the political versions – aka the EU or Russian Federation.

    The Nation State is abhorrent in being the worst of both worlds – xenophobic, triumphalist, narcissistic and unstable – it groups together arbitrary groupings in arbitrary borders – usually imposed by force rather than by harmonised identity.

    Direct democracy is an amazing ambition and one that must push decision making and money down as far as possible to make it meaningful. In reality it has to be matched by some form of federal or universal governing principles, currently performed by the UN which is horribly out of date and which does not really govern the likes of tax avoidance or inequality or environmental issues.

    As to what the spur for going there will be – armageddon, aliens arriving, extreme climate events, global economic collapse. Whatever it would be – its not going to happen simply because its a good idea.

    Back to today – Many of us have a seeming biological fetish for the alpha male, despite having spent thousands of years constructing civilisation and even with religions helping introduce a lexicon of transcendence. Current events in the US (and China and Russia, and Panama) with all the vested interests and corporate kleptocracy and “strong man” fawning show how we still have to leave the caves.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Thank you Sharpie for such a full response! A great deal to agree on there, and to carefully expand over a few single malts in a more perfect world.

    I am equally in despair about the way that what I think of as Globalism (what you call “Integrated” above) has simply reproduced all the worst vices of the old nation states on a massive scale with even less control over those now almost completely freed of government scrutiny.

    The trouble is that I have family in the US who have been very politically active in the Democrats and I get to hear all the scurrilous stories about the Clintons (and Obama), so I simply cannot begin to think of her (or him) as other than simply another kind of Tweedledee to Trump’s Tweedeldum. No-one exits such authoritative political office without accruing serious wealth, and this does not ever come to those simply working dispassionately in the public interest. And by definition this invariably lifts presidents and ex-presidents into those 2% of the successful and wealthy who are an even greater danger to us all than those old nation states that plagued the twentieth century could ever be. No-one who might be naïve enough to challenge this will ever again get to within a few miles of the presidency after Jimmy Carter’s easily rebuffed challenges to these people while in office.

    And you’re right, nothing good will occur simply because its a good idea, there just are too many top echelon losers going to happen in that situation. But I’ll still not be able to bring myself to think that Hilary is in any sense an answer to the problem of Trump! As Gerry Garcia perceptively said once “choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil (man)!”

  • whatif1984true

    Could the revolution come not in the general population but in the political parties. Is there anyone of integrity and (potential) power in them? The ‘STANDING ORDER’ voting lives within the parties also.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    “Could the revolution come…… the political parties”?

    Not really, they develop agendas based on getting re-elected that seem to always come well before actually doing anything for their voters. But then I read Emma Goldman fifty years ago, and when she pointed out what was actually going on I saved myself that growing disillusion with political parties that most comes to most others through slow experience,…..

    I’d trust the Greens and a few other non “establishment politicos” to make a fist of trying, but I still see such politicians as the lamb discussing lunch with five wolves……………..

  • John Collins

    For a while they said Hitler was great also.

  • New Yorker

    Neither I not many American friends think Trump has even a remote chance of winning the election in November. He will win the Republican nomination which involves only a small percentage of voting Americans. Hillary Clinton will be a very strong candidate. She has government and political experience, a husband who is both highly respected and one of the most politically talented people alive, the support of a fairly popular President, leads in all demographic groups except dull white males and has plenty of money. Trump does not have the government and political experience, lacks the relevant knowledge and has a personality unsuited to the position. The only open question is how many seats in the Senate and House she will take along with her. It will be an interesting contest to watch but the outcome is in little doubt.

  • whatif1984true

    What if all the tainted politicos were gone? Is there no hope? Would the old ones keep control behind the scenes or would we have Dissident SF and DUP.

  • 1729torus

    Hilary vs Trump is going to be a rerun of Trump vs Jeb Bush at this rate. I mean really, why is HC wheeling out losers to condemn Trump? This just makes her look desperate.

  • tmitch57

    Trump could be elected president under three conditions:
    1) If Clinton is indicted for her illegal use of a non-authorized server to handle official State Dept. emails;
    2) if there is a major terrorist incident comparable to 9/11 or 7/7;
    3) if there is a recession before the election that makes people fear a return of the Great Recession.

  • Ben De Hellenbacque

    *gone, not went.

  • Cosmo

    Too rational for an hystericalised population, fed with bullshit news. There seems a fair section of the US voting population who just cannot spot a fraud; and another growth-group, unable to bear to hear unpalatable truths about the US, who will ally themselves with ‘success’.
    Once the military-industrial complex ‘buy’ Trump, which they surely will…….and start backing him against Clinton ( by whatever nefarious means), Trump is now in with a very good chance.

    But I am still signing the petition to let US Republicans carry guns to their Convention !

  • Msiegnaro

    How come? Genuinely interested.

  • New Yorker

    It is unlikely that a Democratic Attorney would charge Clinton in regard to her email situation which is a bogus issue. In the unlikely event of a terrorist attack Trump would not know what to do whereas Clinton would know. Chances of a recession at present are very low.

  • grumpy oul man

    the greens have done well today as has the left in general seemingly to the detriment of SF, so good news all round,

  • tmitch57

    While it is unlikely that a Democratic attorney general will indict Clinton, there is considerable pressure within the FBI to do so–apparently they don’t believe that it is a bogus issue. Whether Trump would know what to do is irrelevant if people are scared and believe that he is a better alternative to Clinton who handled the Benghazi terrorist attack so well.

  • New Yorker

    James Comey, Director of the FBI, was appointed by Obama. The decision is up to the AG and not individual FBI agents. Benghazi! – another bogus issue. You must be on the Republican party daily talking points listserv.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    “Reasons to be grateful……..”

  • SeaanUiNeill

    I have this dream of direct democracy and a genuinely empowered people running their own lives themselves, without “professionals” to run their lives for them…….me, and the very late Emma Goldman………

  • tmitch57

    No, I’m just not a shill for Clinton. I’m actually an independent and deeply bothered by a choice between two highly-flawed individuals like Trump and Clinton: one a very corrupt woman with thirty years of scandals trailing behind her and the other a complete narcissist who can’t be bothered to do the hard work of politics.

  • whatif1984true

    Dream on

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  • Ciaran Caughey

    Trump is going to be President. Get used to it.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Sure, you’re probably right, people still go out and vote for the professionals a hundred years and more after Emma Goldman said:

    “The average mind is slow in grasping a truth, but when the most thoroughly organized, centralized institution, maintained at an excessive national expense, has proven a complete social failure, the dullest must begin to question its right to exist. The time is past when we can be content with our social fabric merely because it is “ordained by divine right,” or by the majesty of the law.”

    Is not the definition of insanity some poor misguided person insisting on doing the same thing over and over, and each time expecting some other result to what happens every time? Participating in elections are to me a bit like an addiction to slot machines, where you get the occasional payout in the form of an actual protective law such as caught Ashers, but most of the time you give the “elect” your authority by your vote, and they usually authorise what the big wealthy interests need to do their thing. Big money always has the loudest voice. And regarding how much the politicians are influenced by the elections, as Richard Hamilton wisely told the beleaguered defenders of Derry about how the Prince of Orange and the English politicians would reward them “Eaten bread is soon forgotten”….

    Once the vote has been cast the politician is pretty much free (especially if the media uses his press reports) to do what he will as long as he can give out a positive spin for a few years. Going back to your first comment, Trump is to me simply a politician who has discovered that he does not need so much liberal spin than our centrist political culture supposed had become mandatory. And yes, our own voting habits leave little room for anyone here to laugh at him credibly, other than me that is!

    But until people realise that the political control of our lives is our own responsibility, simply removing the tainted politicians creates a vacuum for others to take their place. This election here looks fair to show that, to my mind, my fellow citizens are still very far from electing those such as the Greens who would seek to empower them more directly.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    I’m reminded of another wealthy man who bought supreme power:

    Trump’s triumph would prove you can seriously prime the pump in a bid for personal power if you have enough money, but Hillary’s will only show that other wealthy interests can simply buy their own candidates (as the last spate of US presidential elections have clearly shown) and don’t have the bother of actually having to do the “performance” bit themselves.

  • Anglo-Irish

    It was ever thus.

    Most people who achieve power come from wealth and those who don’t tend to have backers of wealth and influence.

    There are a few exceptions unfortunately many of those seized power at the point of a sword.

    Being wealthy isn’t really a problem it’s the calibre of the person that matters.

    One of the problems I have with Trump is I doubt his ability to listen to advice.

    It’s a fault that some people have when given responsibility they feel it necessary to ‘ call the shots ‘ on everything.

    To do otherwise they believe shows a lack of leadership when in fact the inability to seek and act on advice when required is a weakness which in a POTUS could prove disastrous.

    On the 24th April I flew into Shannon to attend a cousins funeral, sat next to me was a man who has a friend and colleague professionally involved with ‘ The Donald ‘ on a business transaction.

    He told me a couple of anecdotes regarding his character and behaviour which were highly amusing in a billionaire businessman not so much in the man with the greatest military power the world has ever known at his command.

  • whatif1984true

    It sounds crass but how many voters give much thought to their vote. I do not mean they are stupid just that their decision may be a single issue, a ‘gut’ feeling or simply an emotional/bigoted one. it may not be slowness just lazyness, could it be that there is more discussion about a kardashian rear end or a club’s chances on winning the cup.

    Gambling is addictive because of the strength of the element of random reinforcement i.e. wins. Voting when the same politicos keep getting elected has no element of wins just constant losing.

    The loudest voice (crying child probably a better analogy for NI) is the most powerful. As any comedian who is being heckled can attest, the guy with the mic always wins.

    The election of PBP seems to give us hope, a voice for the unheard. Tragically power is held and strengthened by centralisation or dictatorship (see the machinations currently changing political life in Turkey).

    The big question in June is not if we will lose some money from our pockets but do we wish to allow the politicos to continue on the road to ever more centralisation of power to Brussels. The voice of PBP will never be heard there and the decisions are ones which will affect our daily lives.

    I voted Green in desperation.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Thank you WI1984T, I agree with you on a lot of what your saying. The real problem I have is the moral issue of authorising those I do not vote for. Symbolically when a representative acts in the assembly, he carries every vote cast for him into how he acts. I simply do not trust most of the people standing to act in a manner that will not implicate me, through my vote with something I abhor. Most people simply pick a few issues they agree on in some manifesto (or worst, by hearsay) and put their mark on a candidate’s box. (Oh, by the way, the irony of the signature of the traditional signature of the illiterate being how the box is marked is not lost on me.) For me its the other way round. I do not vote because of the primary issue of my collusion in this case with what will be down in my name by voting for someone with aft policies I agree over perhaps, but others I find distasteful. Secondarily, I am reluctant to vote even for those I agree with when they will not be elected, because that in turn is collusion with the system that allows the others to be placed in power. I support the Green Party in every way short of actually going to a polling station, because they would press for more direct grass roost control of power. Only through their critique of centralised power will this scandalous system of systematically disempowering us all through a nineteenth century representative system that could well be phased out now and now replaced by possible forms of direct democracy ever be challenged. I’m also very interested in the proposals of Italy’s “Five Star” Movement:

  • whatif1984true

    My vote counted.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    I hear some of these anecdotes myself from cousins across the pond. And fully agree with you on your last paragraph.

    I simply could not resist Gibbon’s description of the moment that Rome was actually put up for auction!

  • SeaanUiNeill

    If I were in North Down or South Belfast I might just re-consider, but my conscience would still remind me of the problem of the corroboration any voting poses with the broader actions of the assembly itself.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    I entirely agree, tmitch57.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    I wonder if Trump will be requiring a bigger waiting room at the White House?

  • Anglo-Irish

    The problem with Trump becoming president is that he will be more of a danger to the rest of the world than to America itself.

    As I understand it the American president actually has less personal power over the country than a British PM has over the UK.

    Congress can veto most if not all domestic rulings but American foreign affairs are under control of the POTUS.

    Something for us to look forward to, a ‘ Mexican Standoff ‘ a la Cuban Crisis between Trump and Putin both masters of diplomacy and reasonableness.

  • whatif1984true

    Any political party makes decisions about fielding candidates based on previous voting patterns. You are not helping by doing nothing and certainly not ‘leading’ by example. Action not words.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    I simply do not believe in the current representative system, and choose not to engage. I’ve given you my reasons above.

    Far from doing nothing I am engaged in cultural action, which actually does change things, because it affects how ordinary people think and then act. Our so called democratic system is steadily getting worse and worse everywhere because it begins with the premise that people require professionals to decide how they are to be ruled. This encourages people to expect others to always tell them what to do. Any genuine democratic instinct is currently looking for ways to escape this process, where the community can be directly empowered, and educated “on the job” in managing that power, which is why I’d offered a link to Five Star.

    But, honestly, how many centuries will it be before we can even expect one of the two main parties here to condescend to offer a ministry to anyone Green? At least most sensible people can clearly see now that any foolish recourse to a pretty pointless violence will only be absorbed into the state’s own systems on its own terms, prison or conciliation. The only effective way to achieve anything meaningful is practical non-cooperation. If you think anything honest can still be done within a system that is shifting from representation to habitual psychological manipulation of their people, I recommend Adam Curtis’s “The Century of the Self”, especially part four, as a much needed awakener:

  • SeaanUiNeill

    As you said above, “Dream on…..”