Phil Flanagan deselected for next year’s Assembly elections…

So Phil Flanagan leaves the Assembly at the next election after being deselected by his party in Lisnaskea on Sunday. He was one of the party’s highest profile young bloods. From the get go he seemed ambitious to speak out on social issues,  in ways which did not always endear him to the party leadership.

It’s not at all clear why he was deselected. Michelle Gildernew comes in courtesy of Bronwyn McGahan MLA who it now appears was only keeping Ms G’s seat warm for a while after she had opted for the Westminster job, and who is not standing.

Perhaps he was too much of an individual for a party built on democratic centralist control. Or perhaps it was the result of one indiscreet tweet too many on Twitter. Perhaps the party just feels est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres?

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  • chrisjones2

    “democratic centralist control”

    Mick

    Surely you meant “demonic army council control”

    And there was another issue. He just wasn’t really very good, was he?

  • hugh mccloy

    More than likely he will get co opted into the council, I am more surprised Gildernew sat out for as long

  • Belfast Barman(ager)

    Personally, I think Phil is a good elected representative – just not a good politician

  • Jake Mac Siacais

    “Fools have a habit of believing that everything written by a famous author is
    admirable. For my part I read only to please myself and like only what suits my
    taste.” Voltaire Candide

  • Aontroim Abu

    Is it not obvious? They could excuse the clusterf*ck interview on Nolan about pulling funding from ‘some of the golf tournaments’.
    Equivocating over whether ISIS were terrorists would be the equivalent of Gerry taking a dump on each of those $500 plates next time SF hit Manhattan.
    Dumping Phil on the other hand is a neat solution.

  • CB Belfast

    I know the bar is pretty low for politicians in NI – but in terms of quality, he just wasn’t at the game. Intellectually absent.

    Obviously – that’s not the reason for his deselection, but can’t go unsaid.

  • mickfealty

    Failte isteach Jake!!

  • Jake Mac Siacais

    GRMA

  • Robin Keogh

    No, i am sure he meant what he said.

  • barnshee

    Michelle has an ” average wage” to earn – the biils still come in sorry Phil

  • Jollyraj

    I always found him crude, vulgar and not very bright.

  • Turgon

    Mr. Flanagan illustrates the problem that a high profile especially on social media does not always equate with being a successful politician.

    That said although I loathe practically everything Michelle Gildernew stands for I am pleased to see that her health is such that she can go back to being a politician. As I noted at the time she was defeated by Tom Elliott much as I despise her politically, I would not wish the pernicious illness of depression on anyone. It is pleasing to see that she has clearly recovered well.

  • kalista63

    Seriously?

  • kalista63

    I like him but he’s a twat, no worse than Paul Girvan or Gavin Robinson, who had the sense to hide his stupidity until after he was voted to high office.

  • Turgon

    Yes perfectly seriously (see my previous comments). I wish this woman misfortune politically but I hope she remains personally well.

  • Robin Keogh

    Wow ! There is a God

  • kalista63

    You’re the man who celebrated an anti Catholic celebration outside a Catholic chapel by a band linked to the UVF..

    You’ve no moral ground.

  • Turgon

    No I noted that no crime was committed by the bandsmen: no more no less.

  • Tony Mc Phillips

    Phil was shafted by the sheep read Animal Farm for all you need to know about PSF these days lol

  • kalista63

    He’d be a great fella for the Dail.

  • Turgon

    No I wish neither ill health nor death on anyone: nor do I celebrate ill health nor death of anyone.

    I am religious but this is not necessarily a religious position. A belief in the sanctity of life and refusal to wish ill health on others is a common position from people of many different political and religious positions.

    That such surprises you is instructive.

  • eireanne3

    Wasn’t Phil involved in this dust-up over irish language signage in Inis-Ceithleann?

    https://eurofree3.wordpress.com/2014/01/21/the-royal-inniskilling-fusiliers-and-conas-ata-tu-in-inis-ceithleann/

  • Robin Keogh

    It doesnt surprise me at all when it comes from most people. The fact that it surprises me coming from yourself means either i have the wrong measure of yourself or you usually present yourself in a way that warrants a shock in this instance. You can decide which is what.

  • Robin Keogh

    No you didnt. You crowed about the fact they got away with it.

  • Turgon

    I wish that no one would die nor be ill. That they do saddens me. I do not glorify in the deaths of others. That puts me in a similar position to most people and in contrast to the frequently expressed views of many Sinn Fein supporters.

    It is you not I who is a member and supporter of a party which celebrates the deaths of others.

  • Turgon

    Do not tell lies. I made a simple factual report. The title was based on the Sloop John B lyrics and otherwise it was simple reportage. That you say such is crowing is again instructive.

    Also Mr. Keogh as noted by lawyers on the thread they did not “get way with it”. They were found innocent when the PPS offered no charges. They agreed to binding over which is actually a separate issue.

    As I said on the thread be careful disagreeing with verdicts of innocence. It is fine to disagree with a guilty verdict but criticising one of innocence is potentially legally problematic.

  • chrisjones2

    Always remember guys – its only politics

  • chrisjones2

    I am a unionist and I think they got away with it because of the incompetence of the Parades Commission in issuing a Determination that was impossible to enforce

    I dont blame the band- they are innocent of any crime – but it does show that the PC isnt up to it and doesnt learn from past mistakes

  • chrisjones2

    Yes but using “democratic” in the context of an organisation strategically controlled by a secret army council is surely a non sequitur

  • chrisjones2

    Yeah …I think the best adjective is ‘gormless’

  • Kevin Breslin

    Who could she have replaced … unless Mr Sean Lynch stood aside, (surprised he’s not standing aside now).

    I am a bit surprised at both Phil Flanaghan and Bronwyn McGahan going out.

    I’d imagine they’d try to bring in as many younger faces for the time Connor Murphy or Michelle Gildernew takes over.

    What odds Foster-Gildernew OFMDFM team before the end of the political term?

  • Robin Keogh

    The problem there is that u are wrong which is something you simply cannot grasp due to your obsession. If u sincerely want to find out how Shinners are appointed to their positions and who exactly is in charge you could easily find out by simply watching the SF ard fhes. Everyone, including the Ard Comhairle is elected or not, right in front of you live on air.

    All candidates for the upcoming election are selected by cumann members or deselected as the case maybe; ultimate democracy unlike most other parties.

  • Robin Keogh

    Commemorating the loss of life is not celebrating

  • Ernekid

    Not really surprising. Phil might be a nice guy but hes hardly a master political strategist. I once had a conversation on Twitter with him, where he denied the fact that Northern Ireland receives a sizable subvention from the UK strategy, When I linked him the relevant economic reports outlining the scale of subvention, he continued to deny it. Not good

  • chrisjones2

    “by simply watching the SF ard fhes. Everyone, including the Ard Comhairle is elected or not, right in front of you live on air.”

    Oh come on Robin. No Political Party operates that way in the UK or Ireland. There’s a lot of stage management behind the scenes and in SF the Clans make sure that their candidates hold sway

    And just what is the Army Council for in this process then? Does it Select or just tell em what to do afterwards?

  • Robin Keogh

    Oh come on chris yourself. All cumann select candidates to attend ard fheiseanna on their behalf and vote in line with previously agreed issues. It couldnt be more open or transparent. As for the so called Army Council, only the PSNI it seems can answer your questions on that score as nobody else has any idea of what your talking about. Nobody seems to know who this Army Council is, where they are and how it is constituted. Why dont u go get the relevant info and come back and do a post about it?

  • Jollyraj

    No such place.

  • Ernekid

    No such place as Inis Ceithleann? That’s a suprise as I live there. What am I looking out of my window at then?

  • John Collins

    Turgon
    Do you recall what Paisley said when the unfortunate Brian Faulkner was killed off the horse or when John Paul 11 died. I am afraid there are more than SF, whom I heartily loathe, who are capable of glorifying in the deaths of others

  • John Collins

    And Chris they also seem to forget the old adage that a little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.

  • Catcher in the Rye

    Dunno Turgon. If SF voters are happy enough voting for Gerry Adams given everything he’s done I’m sure they’d forgive a buffoon who makes the odd daft comment on Twitter.

  • The cause of rural broadband has lost its most vocal advocate.

  • Granni Trixie

    And women!

  • Granni Trixie

    It is perverse of you to claim that being bound over “is actually a separate matter”. No, from one interpretation it was the court/judge recognising that the bandsmen were not totally innocent. To spell it out (as you seem to require it): the bandsmen were bound over to keep the peace….if they had been already doing so this legal obligation would not exist.

  • Granni Trixie

    Your assertion brings up the question of “what is a crime” ( or wrongdoing). I see Crime as a social construct as well as reflecting legal definitions of “crime”.
    On both fronts I do not see how you seem to see no wrong on the part of the band.

    With Good will and communication this man made problem (which is drawing resources away from health,policing etc) would not exist.

  • John Collins

    Grani
    I think the phrase was coined in an age when men meant all mankind so women are more than likely included, but that is a good point.

  • Jollyraj

    Assuming you mean the quaint market town of Enniskillen then (?). Mind, I lived there for many a long year and never once heard it called thus. Are you attempting to write it in a phonetic Ulster Scots?

  • Jollyraj

    Ah John, you’re the Bert Randolph Sugar of Northern Irish political commentary 🙂

  • Jollyraj

    Does that make Adams something akin to Simon Cowell then?

  • Croiteir

    What the odds – that looks like one I would take

  • Mike the First

    I assume Mick intended the phrase ‘democratic centralism’ in its original Leninist sense. That is, as democratic as the ‘people’s democratic republics’ of the Cold War.

  • John Collins

    WTF is BRS? Forgive my total ignorance of this dude.

  • Ernekid

    I’m from the town of Kathleen’s Island

  • CB Belfast

    Simply being vocal does not mean that someone is necessarily a good advocate. Flanagan could turn me off most issues.

  • mushroom man

    If there’s one thing that SF is all about then it’s hard work. The party has clearly found an excellent team to build on that after the 2016 election

  • Gaygael

    Do you post exclusively positive SF mantra?

  • Croiteir

    How do you grow mushrooms?