Question Time: Gay Cake

On a day when the Republic of Ireland goes to the polls on marriage equality, interesting to see cross party support for the Ashers ‘gay cake’ verdict from the major parties in Great Britain.

On the panel for last night’s BBC Question Time were Nicky Morgan (Conservative), Stella Creasy (Labour), Tim Farron (Liberal Democrat), columnist Owen Jones and businesswoman Hilary Devey.

Take note DUP.

 

 

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  • Chingford Man

    So a collection of social liberals who likely know nothing more about The Cake than the info with which their advisers have prepped them have given their opinion. So what?

  • Dan

    BBC back to it’s biased self last night

  • the rich get richer

    Even the crazy one on the left (black hair white coat) is right so what does that say about the crazies in NI Ire with the opposing view.

  • mickfealty

    I think CM’s point is that very few of the people answering on QT seem to understand the underlying issue bar yer woman at the end, who believes in the customer is always right ethic.

    I except David Dimbleby from that of course.

  • npbinni

    So what are you saying, Fireman, let’s all be like the English?

  • Zeno

    I saw a small exchange on the subject a couple of days ago on BBC News. Only the Journalist who was interviewing two panelists had an understanding of the issue. There seemed to be a lot of confusion about what the issue actually was. A Lady was going on about discrimination against the LGBT Community and the Journo said…… “but if this man had wanted a Bun, he would have been served” She rather confusingly replied “Exactly”.

  • Jag

    And SF, the SDLP and Alliance.

    And not like TUV, DUP or UUP (UUP didn’t condemn judgement, merely suggested the customer should have taken his custom to a baker who would bake the equal marriage-signed cake, presumably Mike Nesbitt also thinks Rosa Parks shouldn’t have created a fuss, gotten off the bus and walked).

  • chrisjones2

    …and the Scots, Welsh, Irish, Americans, French, Italians …………. etc etc

    As it stands the DUP seem aligned with such wonderful beacons of democracy and freedom at Saudi Arabia, Kenya, Uganda, etc

  • chrisjones2

    ….being biased towards complying with the law is so yesterday innit

  • chrisjones2

    ……. I agree. But the Court giving its opinion was a different matter – as I am sure you will agree

  • chrisjones2

    Is that not the nature of Question Time though? Very few panelists have the courage to say ‘I dont know enough to forma rational view”

  • kalista63

    If this was a sand alone moment, you might have a point but this happens time and again and on other issues as well as LGBT rights. I wish I could remember the hashtag for the Westminster debate on equal marriage so I could show the reaction if British people to the comments of DUP MPs.

    Even without that, check out the comments section of, even, non lefty paper’s articles on LGBT rights in NI, the stories having also going international, making NI look like what?

    Oh, there are people who are like the DUP elsewhere, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann and the rest of the Teaparty. Yea but how does the rest of America, the rest of the world regard these people? Well, they laugh at them and they divest from the areas they control when they bring in policies akin to Paul Givan’s conscience clause.

    This puts the DUP and TUV with Putin, Baltic shyteholes, African despots and Islamists, as well as the above.

  • Pete

    I can’t imagine any of them knew much about the case. At any rate, given that Ashers were found guilty, what can you expect them to say? Even if they did personally disagree, they’d never admit it.

    The DUP made clear their support for Ashers and the electorate knew that at the recent elections. I don’t think I could bring myself to vote for the DUP, but their viewpoint here is hardly too bizarre. There was a poll done by ComRes in NI that showed the majority of people surveyed didn’t support these sorts of cases being taken to court. So you could say the DUP are in tune with majority public opinion in this issue. You must remember, Firemen, that the sample who interact with you on Twitter is simply completely unrepresentative of the general public.

  • Dan

    Bad laws need changed

  • Unlike Slugger, of course

  • chrisjones2

    …that’s what we have an assembly for ….so it can discriminate against its citizens, lock us swings, ban wicked women, prevent abortion even of dead foetuses that may kill the mother ….. concentrate on the really important things in life (and stop themuns getting anything while they are at it)

    Bad Assemblys need closed down

  • Chingford Man

    OK, so what do you want me to do? Apologise for taking a different side from you in the culture wars?

    People like you can amuse yourselves laughing at the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy stretching from Newtownabbey to Alaska if you want. Whilst you are giggling in your liberal-leftist PC superiority complex, we’ll be out there calmly making our arguments and showing up your side as obsessed with “equality” at the expense of freedom.

    By the way, I look at many right wing websites and find that the positions of us social conservatives are widely understood and supported. Comments on Breitbart have been running at over 9-1 in support of Ashers.

  • Pete

    If you think twitter hashtags are representative, then Labour should have won a landslide victory in the most recent elections.

    I’ve read articles from right across the political spectrum that disagree with the Ashers judgement.

  • Ernekid

    ‘Reality has a well known liberal bias’

  • the rich get richer

    ” thinks Rosa Parks shouldn’t have created a fuss, gotten off the bus and walked ”

    Well put.

  • Sir Rantsalot

    All this pc guff ‘oh don’t say anything bad about the gays’. It reminds me of people who get all weird about race. They can’t bring themselves to criticise a black person for something, purely because he is black.
    Cringe worthy stuff being said on slugger lately. The Ashers verdict is wrong. Any person or company can refuse a request, it is entirely their own decision. The recent poll confirmed that most people support Ashers. The slugger pro gay posse are ridiculous.

  • Ben De Hellenbacque

    We should know our place. How dare we upset the apple cart? The only actors who should take a principled stand are those who already hold a lot of power and influence. And boy do they get a lot of support when they speak up for the established hegemony.
    The NI narrative now is we got brave (and vocal) after forming a few um … associations and arming ourselves with a gun or 2. When our slow learning finally acknowledged the dead end we created, we transitioned into the dialogue of the cul de sac, via bomb and ballot box.
    While the forces of fear and intimidation are still powerful in some neighbourhoods, many of the rest of us still collude quietly in the comfort zone of our own prisons and decry those that dare to say – croppy, stand up!

  • npbinni

    That last sentence is a racist statement full of hate if ever I saw one.

  • Scitter

    The woefully out of touch BBC (the Nolan show was even worse in its bias) and pathetic self-defined “progressive” politicians ignorant of the issue and simply spouting platitudes as afraid to upset the Gaystappo.

    Meanwhile, a poll on the Telegraph of online readership with 86% in favour of Ashers and most commented article. Even The Guardian had an editorial in their favour.

  • submariner

    Racist how?

  • Gingray

    How ironic it will be if Ireland votes no today – we would then have gay marriage in the UK, supported by Sinn Fein, with no gay marriage in the South, supported by the DUP

  • Gingray

    I agree npbinni! If only they would all follow the teachings in the bible, the world would be a much better place. Obviously tho we should not be following teachings from a woman.

    “I permit no woman to teach or have authority over men; she is to keep silent.” Timothy 2:11

    I note in Ashers bakery a woman was the assitant manager? Given that they are quite explicitly breaking Gods will, would you be up for condemning them?

    As well, I was thinking you and I could meet up and organise a protest against any schools or churches that allow women to teach or have authority over men?

  • Jag

    Many would agree much better than “If everyone had used a little common sense, this could have been resolved without fuss never mind recourse to the courts. It is common sense, not necessarily more legislation, that we need to deal with these matters. It should have been possible for the gentleman to get the cake he wanted without anyone feeling their values were being compromised”

    http://uup.org/news/3559/21/Ulster-Unionist-Party-statement-on-court-case-involving-Ashers-Bakery-and-the-Equality-Commission#.VV7lgN6XTIU

  • Granni Trixie

    Surely it is a good thing that we have legislation confirming that the days of no dogs,no blacks,no Irish and now no gays Is unacceptable?

  • JohnTheOptimist

    Just out: Ashers are going to restrict the range of products they sell.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/gay-cake-row-bakery-limiting-services-to-only-provide-birthday-and-babyrelated-celebration-cakes-31245243.html

    They say ‘it will only impact a small part of their business and no jobs will be lost.

    It seems like a good move. I wish them every success. What a lovely couple.

    The publicity they have got in recent months must be worth a fortune in advertising. I never heard of Ashers until a few months ago. But, now every time I go to Belfast, I make a point of bringing some Ashers’ Cakes down to Tyrone. Delicious they are. I hope they’ll soon be expanding into the western parts of N. ireland and eventually across the border.

  • Slater

    The amazing thing about that Question Time programme was it was as if the BBC either hadn’t heard the election result or thought it was irrelevant. They could thus pack the panel and audience with bien pensant liberals, patronising radicals and ultra lefts, as normal.
    Even the usual motor mouth Labour MP was there. She certainly hadn’t heard the result.
    The people have spoken and will be ignored for the next five years – unless the BBC licence fee goes up the Swannee,
    Methinks last night’s performance will have sealed its fate.

  • Carl Mark

    Here’s a idea, most people on these islands support gay equality including the Tories and you can’t admit it so you go on your standard anti tolerance rant. Could you sometime instead of getting personal about people actually deal with a argument instead list throwing abuse around.

  • Carl Mark

    Please give more details on this poll! Who paid for, where was it carried out. Which questions were asked( a link will do) just to be sure your not been misled by a based survey.