Adams and child abuse: “if you keep telling a lie often enough, sometimes people believe it”

An exclusive story in today’s Sunday Independent features an interview with the son of IRA murder victim Brian Stack.

Speaking to Mairia Cahill,  the woman who first exposed the cover up of sexual abuse within the Republican Movement, Austin Stack details a host of horrific revelations.

Austin Stack claims that Gerry Adams does not “grasp the reality, or the gravity” of the abuse cover up issue, and that the Sinn Fein president referred in conversations with Mr Stack of the court proceedings into Liam Adams abuse of his daughter Aine as a “little family matter”. 

Two Senior IRA men suspected of having involvement in the murder of Chief Prison Officer Brian Stack in 1983, were further “investigated by the IRA” for alleged abuse of young children, and subsequently moved by republicans, to save embarrassment to the organisation.

Garda sources are believed to have interviewed one in relation to reported abuse allegations, and had “intelligence” that the other was an alleged ‘paedophile’.

Another individual has indicated an intention to come forward to Gardai in the wake of the BBC NI Spotlight Programme into Louth man Paudie McGahon’s claims of abuse, and an IRA ‘Kangaroo Court’ .

Despite Gerry Adams claiming that there was no “corporate way of verifying” IRA involvement into claims of abuse, just a year earlier, Adams and a senior IRA man met with the Stack family, where admittance of responsibility that the IRA murdered Austin Stack’s father was given.

He tried to play the victim with me, saying: ‘You’re not the only victims here, I’m a victim too,’ and I got a little bit angry. I explained to him what a victim was and how I felt as a victim, as a 14-year-old boy shaving my father, and he (my father) was crying and I was crying.

I explained how my mother used to be woken at all hours in the middle of the night to go in and scratch my father’s nose and simple things like that.

He didn’t say anything. He kind of sat back in his chair. Then I said to him I wanted to build trust with him. I said I would trust him if he trusted me. I said trust works both ways… I said: ‘I’ll trust you if you work with me.

“I went on Prime Time and I gave a fairly extensive interview to Miriam O’Callaghan. Gerry Adams had given an interview in April 2013 to Miriam on the subject as well.

I looked at how he was answering the questions and he was saying that he was a victim, he kept saying that he was a victim, and he kept denying that he knew anything about my father’s murder.

And when I was replaying it, my son Freddie, who was about nine, looked at me and said: ‘Daddy you know, that man keeps saying he knows nothing about Granda Brian’s murder. Why don’t you believe him?’

And it struck me, that if you keep telling a lie often enough, sometimes people believe it

– AUSTIN STACK

This raises further questions for Sinn Fein and Gerry Adams, and a fresh angle on a story that has been in the headlines since October, when Ms Cahill first waived her right to anonymity to allege how she was raped at the age of 16 by a senior IRA figure, and claim that Sinn Fein and the IRA sought to cover it up.

Despite Sinn Fein denials in 2012 of IRA investigations into abuse as “unfounded and untrue”, Gerry Adams wrote a blog in 2014 where he admitted involvement by republicans in dealing with people suspected of abuse.

A week before Ms Cahill asserted on RTE’s Six One News that the issue was wider than her own abuse stating that it was a “hugely significant issue’.

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  • Dazzer Fury

    ”with the son of IRA murder victim Brian Stack.”cops say otherwise. there are actually no facts just a imagined source and a belief of the dead mans son. No evidence whatsoever any of these meetings happened.

  • Redstar

    I have no time whatsoever for SF.
    These sort of stories knocking about the Dublin press however sure do remind you its coming election time

  • barnshee

    “These sort of stories knocking about the Dublin press however sure do remind you its coming election time”

    Will have no effect on St Gerry of SF

    A large section of the pop in the ROI have voted for murder gangs since its inception no change expected. A few rapes and more murders won`t change that

  • Ulick

    Cahill seems to be in the Sindo every week – is she officially working for them now?

  • mickfealty

    Is that attempt at playing the ball U?

  • mickfealty

    Any one who doesn’t understand the commenting rules, please have look in the ‘About’ section in the drop down menu above?

  • Robin Keogh

    Another case of ‘we cant legally get him on anything so lets just say whatever we want’ its becoming soooo tiresome. It would appear that Mairia is working for the Sindo, which is the least they could do after dragging her through the mud and nothing to show for it. I hope they are as generous to Paudie. These articles with – ‘ it is understood that…’ ‘…. a source close to ….’ ‘ …there is reason to believe….’ ‘ this rag has been informed..’ etc. Etc. I was glad to see at least that the Sindo handed over the SF document of the partys investigatin into abuse……. oh no sorry they didnt cos it doesnt exist. Or maybe they havnt had time to make one up yet. In any event, barely a mention of poor Paudie and only a few days have passed. Not everybody is falling for the constant Sindo lies and smears.

  • The Firemen

    Perhaps you missed the mention of Paudie McGahon and the link to the BBC Spotlight documentary in the piece.

    Here it is again for your convenience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQxe6RUvgOc

  • The Firemen

    Perhaps you missed the portion of the video where Mr. Adams confirms meeting Austin Stack? We deal in documented fact, evidence and eye-witness testimony – not “beliefs” – here is the link for your convenience: https://youtu.be/F7SfRizXQSo?t=1m55s

  • Robin Keogh

    Thanks but if you read my post again you will see I said ,’barely a mention’ and thats about the best of it. A far cry from the 23 articles the Sindo were able to piece together after Mairias story broke with her cousin Lieleash O’ Scandal leading the charge. Still, who needs the facts when u can get a corrupt media company littered with hooligan journalists to twist a personal crises into a psuedo national scandal for their own selfish gain. I am really starting to see who the real ‘drones, are.

  • Robin Keogh

    Mick dont be so sensitive, its a legitimate question given it was Mairia who put the article together.

  • Robin Keogh

    Thankfully the good people of the North were never tempted to vote for any sectarian, racist, homophic, blood thirsty Unionist and Loyalists then……oh wait

  • Robin Keogh

    Do u have any evidence that Gerry Adams murdered this man or covered up his killing ?

  • mickfealty

    Not sensitive at all. The play the ball rule is about keeping matters on topic. Google ‘Don’t listen to him, he’s a bollix’?

  • Robin Keogh

    So when posters call me a Drone, a stooge, an apolgist for murders and child abusers……. thats playing the man?

  • mickfealty

    Yes. Let me have the details, and I will go after them? Do not get into a tit for tat with them. I’m in a good mood for banning people who habitually behave like that (without fear or favour).

  • Granni Trixie

    You are producing a classic case of “blame the messenger”.
    Your angle seems to be that Mairia Cahill is benefiting from some work with the newspaper and “poor Paudie” is not. All this is beside the point namely that GA and the IRA have a case to answer regarding how they dealt with paedophiles in their midst.
    Incidentally, your sympathy for “poor Paudie” simply does not ring true.

  • Robin Keogh

    thats ur perception and as usual its way off the mark. Stay on course if u can. Whatever case GA has to answer, he doesnt have to answer to u or INM. The police can do that job perfectly well.

  • aber1991

    The Catholic electorate of Northern Ireland will decide what case Sinn Fein have to answer in Northern Ireland.

    The electorate of Eire will decide what case Sinn Fein have to answer in Eire.

  • Robin Keogh

    Well said

  • aber1991

    I have long wondered why so many people in Eire are so willing to pass judgement on the oppressed Catholic people of Northern Ireland.

  • Zeno

    I have to ask the question even though I don’t expect an answer.
    If it was proven beyond doubt that SF and the IRA were sexually abusing children and covering it up by moving the perpetrators to a different area where they could continue their evil, Would you still be a voting for them?
    I’m guessing you would,

  • Robin Keogh

    It would depend on who and what. If it transpired that current members of Sinn Fein were found guilty in a court of law of sexually abusing children and other SF members knew about it and did nothing then it is highly unlikely i could continue to support them. in terms of who i vote for, what the IRA did or didnt do is of no concern to me, however if any of them are found guilty of sexual abuse i wouldnt shed a tear over their imprisonment.

  • Zeno

    “what the IRA did or didnt do is of no concern to me,”

    That is pretty obvious. I was just wondering where the line in the sand was. It appears for you it is child abuse. Not the murder of children, not using people as human bombs or kidnapping, torturing and disappearing them, just child abuse.
    Thanks

  • Robin Keogh

    The line in the sand for me is based on what i feel is best for the future of the country. The past i cannot change and if involvment in government depended on not having a history in conflict then there would exist no govenment anywhere in the world. You have your own particular view and i respect ur right to hold it. But in my view, holding grudges gets us nowhere, be it against the British, Irish, Unionists, Nationalists, Republicans or loyalists. The war is over.

  • kalista63

    I always say, it’s not the what,nits the why and you’re right about these stories surfacing when SF have done well in the polls or there’s an election coming up. It’s interesting that after Adams was interrogated about the McConville case, it was dropped as a case against SF. Certain simple, basic questions were asked off and about Cahill and that has lost its currency too.

  • chrisjones2

    Attacking the victims again. Beginning to be a bit of a pattern for you isn’t it

  • Jag

    I thought the Austin Stack interview was fascinating for its detail.

    However, it does crystallise a problem with truth and reconciliation.

    Brian Stack’s original position was he just wanted to find out what happened to his father, who worked with the prison service and was shot dead, he specifically said he wasn’t seeking charges or criminal penalty.

    Taking that position at face value, the IRA arranged the meeting which was described in such detail yesterday. And that was that.

    Now however, Brian is apparently changing his mind and is intimating he wants criminal charges brought against those involved in the killing of his father.

    He’s in a tragic position which none of us would want to be in, but on the face of it, he wants his cake and to eat it. And for many, probably most of these Civil War era events, you’ll either get truth or justice, not both.

  • chrisjones2

    …but they won’t because SF are too valuable to British Policy so its not in the public interest to prosecute> Remember Mowlem excused murders as just ‘housekeeping’

  • chrisjones2

    The problem is those grudges left over 2000 bodies behind them

  • chrisjones2

    I agree. We need to get them all out

  • chrisjones2

    It’s interesting that after Adams was interrogated about the McConville case, it was dropped as a case against SF

    Dropped by whom?

  • chrisjones2

    Aye …shame on him …he should just man up and forget about it

  • MainlandUlsterman

    I know what you mean to say but I do think it’s unfortunate to describe someone who’s been affected so deeply by Troubles terrorism as having his cake and eating it.

    Why exactly can’t we have truth *and* justice? Is it really so impossible? Or is it just that we’re not willing as a society to call it how it was and face down the guilty men and women (who will come from all sides, by the way, it’s not just Adams)? It seems to me it’s they who get to have their cake and eat it. The victims don’t even get the crumbs.

  • MainlandUlsterman

    “what the IRA did or didnt do is of no concern to me”

    Why not?

  • barnshee

    “thankfully the good people of the North were never tempted to vote for any sectarian, racist, homophic, blood thirsty Unionist and Loyalists then……oh wait”

    Would you lcare to identify the members of murder gangs who managed to get elected by “the good people of the North”

    Or even a subset -say convicted criminals/actual murderers elected by ” the good people of the North “

  • Zeno

    “Civil War era events, ”

    When was that?

  • Mirrorballman

    Billy Hutchinson for 1, David Irvine for 2………..

  • MainlandUlsterman

    there are some books on the subject …

  • MainlandUlsterman

    Mick, I had cause to do that this morning unfortunately. I had to flag someone on another thread for persistent ad hominems (the thread was the one on the DNA-mapping). I directed him to the ‘About’ section but I don’t think he read it … 🙂

  • Zeno

    George Seawright got 5500 votes in an election AFTER his incinerate Catholics remarks in Belfast City Council. He failed to get elected but it shows that people on both sides do support violence. Are there less of them on the PUL side? I mean we do have at least 20 known IRA men and women elected to the Assembly and no UVF UDA etc that I can think of..

  • barnshee

    So thats two –care to continue ?

  • Robin Keogh

    You need to take that up with them maybe

  • Robin Keogh

    I, unlike yuorself am not prone to launching attacks on anybody. But i do have a mind that encourages me to ask questions and draw my own conclusions i reject authauritarian press. Simple

  • Ulick

    I didn’t realise you viewed working for the Sindo as a smear Mick. It was a genuine question. “Shared understanding” me hole

  • chrisjones2

    Theres no point. They wont disturb such a valuable British asset

  • chrisjones2

    Great. Ask yourself why Jean McConville was murdered and the murder covered up for over 30 years

  • seamus mcdermott

    The IRA just sprang up out of nowhere, for no reason and began their bloody rampage simply for the fun of it. There are no informers, no double agents, no provacateurs–only IRA murder victims. If you started getting an erection when you read this, you’re reading the right blog.

  • seamus mcdermott

    How many civilians did the IRA kill during the troubles?
    723 (35% of the total they killed)
    How many civilians did the Loyalists kill during the troubles?
    877 (85% of the total they killed).

    I don’t hear anyone here tearing their garments over the greater number of civilian murders committed by the Loyalists.
    Ponies with blinders on, are ye?

  • Zeno

    The IRA have existed for decades. In 1969 they failed to protect the Catholic community. In January,nearly 5 months later The PIRA was formed. They also failed to protect the Catholic community. They murdered more Catholics than any single loyalist group or any branch of the security forces. They also caused more Catholics to be murdered by the UVF in particular.
    They eventually ended up working for the British Government. They achieved nothing.

  • seamus mcdermott

    The loyalist groups victims were 85% civilians.
    The IRAs victims were 35% civilians.
    The loyalist paras killed more civilians than the IRA did.
    The “score” was 877 Loyalists 723 IRA.
    That, sir is a fact.

  • Zeno

    One of the reasons for that ,if you cast your mind back, was that they said they would murder innocent Catholics every time the IRA murdered a member of the security forces and they did.
    I’m not really sure what the point is you are trying to make? Is it IRA good, Loyalist Terrorists bad?

  • seamus mcdermott

    I don’t know about “Catholics”, but the Loyalist paras as whole killed more civilians than the IRA did. That is well documented. You said “no single loyalist group” and that is correct, technically. But the combined loyalist groups killed more civilians than the IRA did.