Christians on the Left Stormont launch

Some weeks ago, Barton Creeth talked to me about Christians on the Left, the (relatively) new name (since 2013) for the Christian Socialist Movement, which was founded in 1960, tied to the Labour party in GB, and whose current director is Dr Andrew Flannagan, originally from Portadown.  Its Northern Ireland grouping was due to have its Stormont launch last Monday night, but at the time I wasn’t available to go along anyway.

My key question, as a trade unionist and a social liberal, was whether I was sufficiently left wing!  Barton was satisfied that I was, and with a change of circumstances I was able to make it last Monday night.  Chris Lyttle MLA sponsored the event, which took the form of a panel discussion chaired by Barton – about thirty people of various ages and from different professions were present.

Rev Dr Lesley Carroll (Fortwilliam and Macrory Presbyterian churches) observed that Christians tend to talk about a single “Christian” position rather than reflecting the many positions that such a diverse bunch of people will take, particularly with reference to culture and principles – both moderated and absolute, such as regarding abortion, and how and whether compassion is shown.

She considered her willingness to entertain views other than her own was what made her a Christian on the left.

Rev Chris Hudson (All Souls’ Non-subscribing Presbyterian church) suggested that if Christians engage with the question “Who is on the left?” that is a start!  For him, liberal views on for example, equal marriage do not make someone “on the left”, rather it is their economic and political views.  He gave the example of water and property taxes: the new Greek government didn’t propose to abolish their water charges, and he did believe Bono should pay his property tax.

Many years ago, Chris had gone to El Salvador as a trade unionist to investigate human rights abuses, and staying with Irish Franciscans who lived among and identified with the poor.  He was surprised to see the opulence of the local Jesuit priests when he visited them, but their role was to educate the children of the rich who would later lead the country and to teach them to have compassion for everyone and have responsibility for their wealth.  All Jesuits present were murdered six months later.

Chris made clear that you cannot separate moral and political thinking from one another.

Barton noted that with regard to issues such as equal marriage, it was necessary to have respectful and engaging dialogue because of the variety of differing views across the left.  By contrast, there was common ground on economic justice.

Alban Maginness (SDLP MLA, Belfast North) highlighted the separation of faith and politics in Western Europe, including the UK and Ireland. He came into politics because he is a Christian, and would not have done so if he hadn’t been – he believes that many others were inspired in the same way.  The UK Labour party arose from non-conformist churches – Harold Wilson said it owed more to the Methodist Chuch than Marxism – and also from Catholic social action.

The local problem was that because political divisions correspond with religious divisions, religion with politics was being rejected, but faith has a lot to contribute.   Alban believes that Christ came to reconcile man to God and also man to man.  It was his Christian duty to be involved in politics in such a divided society.

Stewart Dickson (Alliance MLA, East Antrim)  became a Christian in 1969, and his world was turned upside down – he did things he didn’t expect to do, and he didn’t do lots of things he thought he might have done!  His parents worked for the Co-op, and Stewart was involved in trade unionism.

The “One Christian voice” tends to drown out all others.  Stewart wishes to defend the rights of Christians and also the rights of those who do not wish to be Christians.  Many will have different views on conscience clauses, abortion etc, but it was essential to discern what the Lord wants in our lives.  It was his aim as a member of the Alliance party since 1976 to keep it grounded in faith, as do many others in the party.

Concluding the evening, Jonny Henson alluded to the French principles of liberty, equality and fraternity, and wrapped up with words from Isaiah 61.

[With apologies for the delay in making this post due to family commitments, I’m going to leave this post there and open up the discussion. I’m going to repost this to my own blog, with a little more faith-based comment.]

  • James Martin

    I personally think that the introduction of Christians on the Left to the NI scene would be a deeply positive thing. Christians in the UK (and I would imagine in NI as well) to one particular political party and most certainly don’t entirely line up on the right in terms of economics especially. So fair play to Barton Creeth and these MLA’s for trying to get this off the ground.

  • Gingray

    James, you may have missed it, but Northern Ireland already has Christian parties already on the left – the SDLP are the most obvious 🙂

    CoTL is affiliated to the Labour party, who dont stand in NI due to ties with the SDLP.

  • LordSummerisle

    O for the day when intelligent Christians (or rather thoughtful Christians.. or should that be philosophical Christians?) are given a public platform.

  • Just to clarify—as a co-leader of COTL and an SDLP member—we are a multi-party group of all Christian traditions. There are semi-formal links with Labour, but COTL remains open to all Christians committed to left of centre politics.

  • carl marks

    this has cheered me up,
    sometimes when I read some of our Christian contributor’s you would be forgiven for thinking that to be a Christian you have to slightly to the right of Hitler!

  • LordSummerisle

    This sums it up

    BBC Talkback, on the show today Professor Richard Dawkins versus Rev David Mcilveen and a host of redneck Christians phoning in and talking out of their rear ends.

    I always say a Te Deum Laudamus when I hear a sensible Christian like Rowan Williams.

    Meh.. Right wingers follow St. Paul not Jesus Christ.. 😉

  • Gerry Lynch

    It’s noticeable even in GB how over the past 20 years the mainstream Christian position is given less and less airtime as the media increasingly moves towards shock-jock style programming and prefers Dawkins-vs-Fundie shouting matches to anything that might help people deepen their thinking and reach their own conclusions.

  • Deke Thornton

    Is there an Islamic on the left group? Buddhist on the Left? Druids on the left? Witches on the left? Karl Marx was pretty specific about religion. Opium and all that jazz. . “The Lord”. Feudal terminology for a medieval (pre-enlightment) train of thought. Whatever. I’m on the left re: Tales from the riverbank. And Blade Runner. Oh and Catweasel.

  • Jonny Hanson

    Deke: as a medievalist I’m well aware the church in the Middle Ages could be pretty horrible at times. Even today parts of it don’t cover themselves in glory. But it’s worth noting that it’s been Atheists on the (Far) Left – Soviet Russia and Communist China – whose regimes have been responsible for more death and suffering than any other in human history.

  • Jonny Hanson

    And just to add – as another co-leader of COTL NI – that the closing remarks from the event are available online if anyone’s interested: