Rod LIddle’s howler on the under punching of Irish Cricket…

So, perhaps we should spare a thought for poor Rod Liddle. It shows what can happen [Erm, not you Brian! – Ed] when a former BBC producer loses the benefit of his hard working programme researchers.

Here’s Rod writing on the eve of Ireland’s victory over the West Indies last week…

Go back another three years to the 2011 World Cup and England’s defeat by Ireland. Again, that’s humiliating. All the decent Irish cricketers — not many, I’ll grant you — pretend they’re English. In most other sports, Ireland punch well above their weight, but not cricket.

Now, let’s put it down to pressure, or just plain old Anglocentricism. But the one day game has changed Rod. There have only been five successful 300 run chases in ODIs and Ireland accounts for three of them.

The reason you have Irishmen appearing in English ODI teams is because the quality of the Irish game has improved massively in the last ten years (I still have a scorecard from 1984 NatWest game recording a traumatic middle order collapse to a middling to decent county team).

Irish cricketers will continue to ‘pretend’ they are Englishmen so long as ‘England’ is their only viable route to playing top class Test Cricket.  That, despite the ODI team’s huge boost in performances, is likely to remain the case for some time to come.

When it comes to cricket England has never quite been the exclusively English affair of the England of soccer or Rugby. Mind you, a few more poorly researched pieces like Rod’s, and you never know what might flow…

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  • PaulT

    “There have only been five successful 300 run chases in ODIs and Ireland accounts for three of them.”

    That’s actually in the ODI World Cup history, not across the game, I think the Windies game may also have been the fastest chase.

    TBF like all the Assoc sides we lack fast bowlers so can only hope for tidy disciplined bowling and chase down the runs afterwards, so good we cant bat to 300, pity we can’t bowl better.

    Though Haq was lobbing 45mph spinners at Eoin last night and it rattled him and the other batsmen

    “Irish cricketers will continue to ‘pretend’ they are Englishmen so long as ‘England’ is their only viable route to playing top class Test Cricket.”

    The criteria for representing England and Wales at cricket is IIRC to have played county cricket for 4 years, with some extra hoops for cricketers from test playing countries. So there is no need for anyone to pretend they are anything.

    However, I see the establishment has swung into action, not least the BBC in actually pretending Eoin is actually a Brit, he is now only ‘Dublin born’ this is mixed with a similar reaction to Willie Walsh taking over BA basically letting the dogs of the leash a bit, heck reminds them of their place !! and finally the BBC again got into the habit of reporting on the teams warmup matches without mentioning Eoin in the story

    “‘England’ is their only viable route to playing top class Test Cricket.”

    This is true, but it’s also the new player kissing the club badge sort of stuff. Playing England (same as for Rory) gets you better sponsorship, however it’s only the last few years that Cricket IReland have had the funding to offer central contracts

    Boyd Rankin declared for England, he was honest that he did it for money, he’s a pro, he’s good at his job, he deserves to be allowed to follow the money, sad but good luck to him.

  • mickfealty

    Only if you are resident before 18. They changed the rules in 2012.

  • Kevin Breslin

    The reason you have Irishmen appearing in English ODI teams is because the quality of the Irish game has improved massively in the last ten years

    I do not know a lot about cricket but …

    When Ireland, Scotland and the Netherlands play a One Day against an English county cricket side do they not have the right to sign players just like the county sides?

  • PaulT

    so now it’s 7 years instead of 4,

  • PaulT

    Ireland stopped playing the county limited overs when it was Pro40, but to answer your question Kevin no they don’t and to make matters worse Counties tend to not release Assoc Countries players for internationals let alone for a domestic competition

  • Seamuscamp

    Mick,
    Please enlighten me as to when the English rugby team was exclusively English.
    Off the top of my head: Matt Stevens, Nick Abendanon, Brad Barritt, Mike Catt – all SA. Then there’s New Zealanders, South Sea Islanders, even a few Welsh and one or two Irish. But perhaps you think Strauss, Ah You, Diack, O’Cuinneagain, the Easterbys, etc are Irish?