“Because that’s the way you should really “help” children, Sinn Fein.”

Mairia Cahill reading her article in the Sunday Independent today

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  • Robin Keogh

    What was the song, when was it written, in what year did he claim to sing it, and in what year did he make the erromeous statement?

  • Robin Keogh

    Repunlicans toasting the head of state of a foreign country is perfectly reasoanble

  • Robin Keogh

    If you feel lectured to its got nothing to do with my comments and everything to do with your insecurities. And how in the name of God am I supposed to kow who you work for or have worked for man? I cant guess at your inside knowledge I can only respond to your posts as an anonymous somebody.

  • babyface finlayson

    Robin
    I think Gerry admitted that republicans did deal with such cases in the past. So should they now tell someone, Social Services at least, about any facts they have on whereabouts and allegations regarding these people? Others could be at risk.
    Should Seamus Finucane bring forward any information he has from his helping of victims?

  • Zeno3

    Imagine a Sinn Fein that didn’t have the old Provie baggage. Imagine one that didn’t have to explain why they murdered innocent men women and children. Imagine a Sinn Fein that didn’t have to try and justify peado cover ups. Imagine a Sinn Fein that didn’t have to make excuses for those that were “Disappeared”. Imagine a SF that didn’t have to make excuses for an organisation that used people as human bombs. That’s what Mary Lou and Pierce are thinking.

  • Zeno3

    You know what I’d like to know Robin, what did SF or the IRA for that matter ever achieve to make you such a devoted fan?

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Robin, the authorities, the police and the court system has singularly failed the abused over the past forty years. An example, I know of people simply sacked from a major TV company when they mentioned sexual pressure on them, or actual rape, who were advised to just get over it too when they spoke to solicitors! The law is notoriously weak on these issues.

    But thank you for your total honesty about where anyone unwilling to face up to the implications of Adams record must stand, “life will continue as normal for most of us while the victims are left behind.” Have you actually thought of how utterly incompatable such an attitude is to stated policy in “Women in an Ireland of Equals”?

    “All forms of violence against women must be challenged and the services put in place to ensure that women who have been raped or have experienced violence are given the support they need.”There is an urgent need for rape crisis centres and counsellors trained in the area of sexual abuse to be available to women and children no matter what part of the North they live in.

    “There needs to be a strategic approach to this issue by government where all departments are working in a joined up way to deliver services and to ensure that groups and organisations are adequately resourced and financed to do so.

    “Tackling violence against women must be given the priority by Government that it deserves.

    “Women and children are entitled to the same human rights as anyone else in society and must be protected from rape from violent sexual crime.”

    The attitude you take (“the weak can go to the wall”) is, I know, entirely realistic, but it is not stated policy. It runs along similar lines to the covert approach of those in the UK who are equally realistic. They just know that quite different mores applied in the 1960s to 1980s, you cannot judge actions then by current standards of behaviour, and so they describe the situation as “historical” (weasel word!) in order to obscure the fact that this is a daily corrosive experience for the survivors.

    What this echos for me is the way similar sentiments were used against those of us who were not staunch Unionists in the 1950s and 60s.

    There is a perfectly decent way to address the problem, to admit that ugly things were done and that no redress was given then, but to actually act on what SF claims they will do about the rights of women and children in their policies and expel, at least, GA whose record on supporting his abuser brother against his niece is clear to all and openly contradicts the spirit and letter of the policy. If SF cannot display honesty on a clear issue such as this, how can anyone trust them on anything else? This is not to say I trust (or in any way support) any other party in both parts of Ireland (perhaps the Green Party, just a bit).

    I am not insensitive to the difficulty of this, both for the party and for individuals, but real political credibility in presenting policy is only bought by credible public effort. It is not in any way acceptable to say one thing as policy while simply telling those who have actually suffered that their abuse will go unrecognised by those with the power to act, and the rest of the community has a life to get on with that they can have no share in.

  • Dixie Elliott

    This was a major embarrassment for Adams and only occurred about 3 or so years ago which is proof that you’ve taken to defending something you actually know very little about Robin.

    Adams had made the claim on a radio station about singing the song Always Look on the Bright Side of Life after a beating by screws. Within hours he was being ridiculed online and the following day on the media.

    To make matters worse, in his autobiography, in regards to the same incident, he claimed the song was ‘We’re on the One Road’, a Republican song.

    I’ve taken two references to it from online….

    “He publicly claimed that a vivid prison memory was singing a Monty Python song, Always Look on the Bright Side of Life, with other inmates, after being brutally beaten by prison officers. The song was not written until after his release.”

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/debateni/blogs/liam-clarke/gerry-adams-credibility-is-now-beyond-repair-29648591.html

    Go to the bottom of the section… ‘In popular culture’ and you’ll find it referenced there.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Always_Look_on_the_Bright_Side_of_Life

    The man is a complete and utter liar and people like yourself Robin spends time defending him whilst not knowing anything about him other than the lies he spins round himself.

  • Dixie Elliott

    For ‘Repunlicans’ and Adamsites it might be Robin but not for Republicans as she is not the Head of State of a Foreign country but of one which still occupies the Northern 6 counties of our country and who honoured the Paras who murdered 14 innocent Derry Men….

    Even the Welsh Nationalist party Plaid Cymru are more Republican than you lot given they refuse to partake in anything associated with the Royals.

  • Michael-Henry Mcivor

    Your caught again Dixie- Plaid Cymru swear allegiance to the Crown to enter their Welsh Assembly- Sinn Fein does not take the crown oath-( and you say Plaid Cymru are more Republican-lol )-

  • Dixie Elliott

    I’m hardly anonymous given I use my own name. The Dixie part might be an nickname but I am better known by that name than the Thomas I was given at birth….

    Oh and given that some gutless cretin who hides behind the fake name marystreet thinks that giving out part of my address as his username would somehow scare me, proves that shinners do know me.

  • Dixie Elliott

    You couldn’t catch me if I cut my legs off. Sinn Fein might not yet swear an oath but McGuinness sure as hell makes up for it toasting and singing her praises.

    Catch a grip what kind of Republican party is funded by its so called enemy?

  • Robin Keogh

    Sean !! Open your eyes man, the sentence is still there, i have neither removed or deleted anything.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Robin, I sincerely apologise for the slur, the cause of old age and a lack of care on my part in checking back. I need to have my eyesight tested. Just seen that its still there. With your permission, I will go over to the other thread and delete anything I have posted against you, should you wish.I will of course, leave anything that shows my own lack of care in this, properly annotated.

  • Robin Keogh

    Here it is, look at lines 3 and 4, it is on this thread right above us four comments up !

    “Ultimately there is only one way to resolve all of this. And it is throuh the courts. If that is not possible then I honestly do not know what the result wll be accept to say that life will continue as normal for most of us while the victims are left behind. But it seems from the murky tragic history of the North that everything becomes so politicised that nothing tends to unravel to the satisfaction of all. There are always losers on one side and for now at least GA and SF are not on the losing side, how long that will continue depends on hard evidence and the wilingness of people affected to open up about their esperiences. But while selfish media and political interests insist on sensationalising every claim and counter cllaim we are unlikely to see anything change and sadly many vistims will be denied the closure they so rightly deserve.”

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Thank you Robin, again, my failure! Somehow I simply could not see it, but I was looking for it in the end paragraph. My fault entirely, especially when I began to look across some weeks of our exchanges, becoming even more convinced of my rightness in calling you on this. I was entirely wrong in posting as I’ve done without a more exhaustive check. My most sincere and unreserved apologies, especially after what I’ve been seeing as an honest attempt to look carefully at one another’s differing positions. I am ashamed of myself for rushing to such aggressive, unjust conclusions without checking more exhaustively.

  • Robin Keogh

    Ok steady on, no need to flog yourself. Forgotten already. Have a good weekend my man.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    You too, Robin. Trouble is, if I demands impossibly high standards from others, I should be willing to eat one hell of a lot of crow when I fall below them myself. And, believe it or not, I copyread books, so even less excuse than for the other mortals.

    Mo sheacht mbheannacht leat, a chara.

  • Robin Keogh

    Zeno, I believe in SF political ideology, or at least they are closer to my own views than any other party. Their past concerns me no more that the past of any political organisation that has made the transition from revolution to peace.