Latest SBP/REDC poll in the South-Sinn Fein still second

The first opinion poll taken in the South since the BBC Spotlight programme was conducted on Monday-Wednesday of the past week. Here are the results

Fine Gael-26% (-2)

Sinn Fein-20% (-3%)

Fianna Fail-18% (nc)

Labour-8% (nc)

Inds/Oths-28% (+5)

Overall, Sinn Fein will be happy with this poll as in other bad times for the party such as the Northern Bank robbery and the McCartney murder, the party’s support halved in just 9 weeks. This 3% drop is more stable and still maintains their position in second place.

The NUI academic, Adrian Kavanagh did his usual excellent analysis of just what this result would look like in seats

 

But, what about the leader’s personal ratings? (Note; leader ratings do not always correspond with party success, in 1997, Mary Harney was the most popular leader in Ireland the Progressive Democrats halved in seats, likewise 1987, Garret Fitzgerald was personally well liked but Fine Gael still lost the election badly)

Joan Burton-41% (-4%)

Gerry Adams-40% (-7%)

Michael Martin-37% (-2%)

Eamon Ryan-33% (-4%)

Enda Kenny-29% (-6%)

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  • Belfastboy

    The Shinners will be pretty pleased with this.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Michael Henry’s gushing “I told you so” message appearing in 5 .. 4 ..

  • Jag

    The headline in the SBP today (see below) is “Sinn Féin support slumps after Cahill controversy” which is probably reflective of that paper’s need to protect its 30,000-odd circulation under its new editor, Ian Kehoe, and possibly its political editor, Pat Leahy’s ambitions (having been passed over for the editorship role)

    The decline in SF support won’t be a concern to it, it’s within the 3% margins of these polls. The rival Behaviour and Attitudes poll in the ST has SF on 19%, no change from a month or so ago.

    With 156 seats in the new parliament in 2016, FF and FG appear to be on track to secure a majority between them (81 according to the prediction above) and indeed, FG FF is still the odds-on favorite at Paddy Power. It wouldn’t be the strongest of coalitions, and they will probably need the support of a few independents in the centre-right, but that shouldn’t be a problem.

    SF and Labour will be left fighting amongst themselves on the centre left. Paddy Power has SF down to 30 from 33 seats. The independents are a right hotchpodge between hard left to right and I wouldn’t be surprised to see one or two joining FF FG before 2016.

    http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/sbp.jpg

  • SeaanUiNeill

    What this says about the ability of an Irish electorate to compartmentalise their empathy must sadden anyone who has experience of the devastating effect of rape on a life.

  • mickfealty

    Considering the story was ignored by the Sunday’s last week, and only really took on a life of its own seven days after Spotlight aired, I’d say it’s a little early to be going whoot, whoot.

    But it is true to say that the drop is just on the margin of error. Adams’ rating drop only puts him amongst the top performers of the other parties, so no eggs definitively cracked yet.

    The real pattern I see here is a further substantive drip drip drip away from party politics to independents and the continued isolation of the former party of government Fianna Fail.

  • Jag

    Or maybe it says water charges, packs for which were sent to every single Irish home in the past month, and which will result in average monthly bills of €25, is a far more important issue.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Thank you for the clarification, “a far more important issue”. Condoning or blind eyeing rape is ok if you do not have to pay water charges. I’d never have guessed it on my own.

    So seven centuries of colonial dominance would perhaps have been ok if the taxes had been light. Logically, this makes SFs main platform (UI) negotiable in terms of hard cash.

    Oh I’d forgotten, the GFA………

  • Belfastboy

    Oh dear, SeaanUiNeill, those number not adding up for you? Perhaps it speaks volumes about the political astuteness of the Irish electorate. They see through the desperate attempts at deflection from the political ‘establishment’. But you just keep on believing the Irish don’t give a damn about rape – albeit a wholly unproven one.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Having, Belfastboy, had some personal experience of the effect of rape on families, I cannot be so Kurgan (see Wikipedia “kurgan hypothesis”) as your dismissal of the importance of rape. And how, beyond any doubt, can anything ever be proved? Law, etc, are simply formal processes, not final solutions that can put truth beyond doubt. We trust sincerity, and I’ve engaged with enough rape survivors over about twenty years to know who to and who not to trust. Obviously seven centuries of colonialism has habituated my fellow Irish to an acceptance of abuse as pretty much a norm from their masters. High time to finally shake the penal laws out of your voting patterns!

  • Belfastboy

    You sound deflated, Mick. Noone’s going ‘whoot whoot’ as you so petulantly put it. This story has peaked in terms of news saturation – and yet the damage to SF’s ratings has been minimal in comparison. I fully expect the Shinners’ ratings to rise again steadily. People hear the likes of Kenny bleating on and compare that to the hard work they see the SF people doing around them – and they vote accordingly. The ‘feet on the ground’ have seen SF through multiple ‘crises’ and this one will be no different.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    “The ‘feet on the ground’ have seen SF through multiple ‘crises’ and this one will be no different.”

    Voting by standing order……….

  • Belfastboy

    SeaanUiNeill, you really don’t like the Irish electorate, do you? So far this morning, you’ve implied they don’t give a damn about rape. Now, you’re suggesting they don’t think when they vote. You really need to get out more, my friend.

  • Jag

    Hi Seaan, recent evidence across the globe underlines the fact that hard economic considerations trump softer emotional considerations, take the Scottish referendum for instance. It’s the economy, stupid as Bill Clinton said. The next Irish election is likely to be fought on the economy, after all, nearly all of them since the 1920s have been.

  • Jag

    SBP polling was Mon, Tue and Wed (reported by RTE yesterday as Tue, Wed and Thur) and ST polling was 10 days to last Thursday. The real clanger on the Maria Cahill story this was last Wednesday when FG and FF tag-teamed SF in the Dail, leaving GA puse in the face, that was the day Ms Cahill met with Enda Kenny for a 90-min meeting also, I would say that for many, that was the day the story broke into their consciousness.

    I though SF would be down to 15-18%, the actual 19-20% is far better than I predicted. Why? water charges possibly and possibly the story getting legs last Wednesday.

    Longer term impact now depends on where the story goes. There may be more victims to come forward, they probably exist, will they open their mouths after seeing what Ms Cahill was subjected to? There will be a 2-day debate in just over a week in the Dail. And there are growing questions about the “expelled”, now 10 according to one newspaper and all in the Republic. As “sick” as it may sound to some, I still think the question, was there an IRA-linked (not active members, but IRA expelled former members and expelled civilians) paedophile ring operating in Donegal.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    No great respect for them continuing to say they will vote for someone fronting a party simply mouthing platitudes after what he did to his niece Áine, let alone Maírie. But I have some hopes that the younger supporters of SF I meet are beginning to wake up from the cult of the personality, and really believe the party policies about women’s issues.

    Be careful not to be left in the Führerbunker when the rest have finally wised-up.

  • Belfastboy

    “Obviously seven centuries of colonialism has habituated my fellow Irish to an acceptance of abuse as pretty much a norm from their masters.”

    SeaanUiNeill, your claims to a deeper understanding of rape jar greatly with your casual racism.

  • Jag

    Hi Seaan, are you aware that senior SF members eg. Matt Carthy and Pearse Doherty are tweeting each other making a joke of the “cult” accusation. Eg this

    https://twitter.com/mattcarthy/status/526107423573311488

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Oh, I agree that’s how people vote. Its called money first, morals last. Its why the economy is the way it is, taking Thatcher’s dictum that society does not exist to its logical conclusion, my pocket first, my community can go hang…..

  • SeaanUiNeill

    “Casual racist”, about “my fellow Irish”? And about meself too, perhaps. Have you ever heard about the license usually given to a Jew telling Jewish jokes? (Oh, I’ve a smidgen of Jewish blood, bye and bye…).

    Not racism, my dear fellow, simply the fruits of a long history of abuse. In Auden’s words, “Those to whom evil is done, do evil in return”. And certainly not a lot of respect for anyone whose voting ignores something about GA as plain as the nose on his face. Being no political parties dog myself, I cannot see how anyone can attack the cover-ups of an all to culpable UK government while condoning similar cover-ups amongst their own leadership. And are you attempting to tell me that our politicians do not abuse their voters by lying to them, or that their supporters do not continue to vote for them? It’s not a uniquely Irish thing in any way, for the world in general accepts a standard of verbal dishonesty from its politicians that they would not accept from someone they are buying goods from. But it is my fellow Irish voters whose poor political choices affect me personally.

    But perhaps, like my grandfather’s friend Sir Roger Casement, I’m expecting too much decency from my fellow countrymen and women. At least that is what it seems you would have me believe.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Ho, humm……..

  • Comrade Stalin

    they can joke about it all they want, but it’s real.

  • Belfastboy

    SeaanUineill, remind me again what Gerry’s been convicted of? I mean in Court of course, and not in the tabloids. Or are SF people not entitled to that level of representation?

  • Comrade Stalin

    Belfastboy got in ahead of me. SF voters are likely to see Adams’ treatment in the media and by other politicians as over the top, an attempt to bring down a political party who are a threat to the establishment.

  • Belfastboy

    Racism. Simple, ignorant racism. substitute ‘Jews’ or ‘blacks’ for Irish in your sentence and then defend it. Go on. I’m waiting. Mick, you got an opinion on this – or does this racism get a bye ball given that it’s anti-SF?

  • Michael-Henry Mcivor

    No harm to no one -( not really )- but the media have a awful opinion of themselves- so do news presenters and the likes- yes we like to hear the news- no we don’t want to hear their personal opinion’s or their bosses personal opinion – anyone who thought that Mairia walking out of her own court case could effect Sinn Fein has got serious problems-the Sunday independent has got 26 articles against Sinn Fein today- Lol- they give us both barrels whilst I give them the two fingers- media wise up- it’s up to the people -stand with the people or watch your newspaper sales shrink and shrink- the people have the power not the media-

  • Belfastboy

    Mairia seems very brave, articulate and clear about her experience. She should have gone to court. Why didn’t she? Clearly she’s not afraid of speaking out – as she has shown with her numerous interviews. So why not let a jury of her peers judge her evidence in court?

  • Comrade Stalin

    I think you guys are thinking too hard.

    Irish elections are fought on the basis of he fixed the road. family connections and laying claim to Irishness are all part of it. That is why Fianna Fáil are still sitting on 20% despite crashing the Irish economy into the ground.

    It’s the same up here in the North.

  • Comrade Stalin

    This has been explained many times over now.

    Máiría did go to court. The PSNI and the prosecution service messed up the case, causing it to collapse. Some might say they messed it up deliberately in order to protect their vassals in the IRA keeping the peace process afloat.

  • Comrade Stalin

    The Bloody Sunday solders haven’t been convicted of anything, so maybe we should stop saying they murdered a load of people.

  • Belfastboy

    She withdrew her evidence. Yes or no?

  • Belfastboy

    Ah, so now it’s those greedy AND immoral Irish, eh Seann?

    Mick, I’ve raised Seaan’s racist comments with you already. You going to act on it?

  • Michael-Henry Mcivor

    Mairia did go to court but asked the defence not to question her after she had given her evidence- she was told to wise up so she walked out of court –

    Comrade- that was a right decision- the defence has every right to ask Questions in Court- the Question is- why are you so opposed to this that you would lie for Mairia-

  • Belfastboy

    Comrade, noone can call any of the Bloody Sunday soldiers ‘murderers’ until they’ve been convicted in a court of law. It’s a simple standard. Seems it doesn’t apply when it comes to throwing mud at SF. If Cahill had such a strong case, she should have taken it court. She would have been an impressive witness. So why didn’t she?

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Such a pleasure to see you showing such firm faith in British Courts, Belfast boy!

  • Michael-Henry Mcivor

    It’s a British court now-( not a rape case )-

  • Belfastboy

    Er, why wouldn’t I have faith in the courts here, Seaan? They’ve put away a lot of guilty people. It’s a pity Cahill didn’t allow her own claims to be judged by a jury of her peers. Until she does, I have no reason to believe a word of what she says. Nor do you.

  • Comrade Stalin

    She withdrew her witness testimony because at the last minute a new witness appeared for the defence.

    This is significantly different from the lie you have circulated several times now that she did not go to court.

  • Michael-Henry Mcivor

    No but the Paras still killed a lot of people that day -( go to The Derry graves for your prove )-have you any prove to show in the Dissident Mairia case-

  • Comrade Stalin

    Er, why wouldn’t I have faith in the courts here, Seaan? They’ve put away a lot of guilty people.

    Just to fill you in.

    Republicans spent decades opposing the legitimacy of the non-jury courts that were used in the IRA membership trial in question which collapsed.

  • Comrade Stalin

    You are lying Michael. Again.

  • Comrade Stalin

    But hang on a minute. You’re saying that we can’t say anything about anyone who wasn’t convicted in court. According to your notion of how things work, we should all simply have accepted the outcome of the Widgery tribunal.

  • Comrade Stalin

    If Cahill had such a strong case, she should have taken it court. She would have been an impressive witness. So why didn’t she?

    Why do you keep repeating this lie ?

  • Belfastboy

    Comrade, what’s that got to do with my support of the Courts? Oh, right, because I have no reason to believe Cahill that automatically makes me a republican. Afraid not, my friend. Cahill had a chance to allow a jury to judge her claims. She turned it down. End of story.

  • Belfastboy

    Yes, and a lot of people did just that. That is, until another LEGAL body overturned Widgery. Cahill had her chance with a LEGAL BODY. She turned it down. End of story.

  • Belfastboy

    I haven’t lied. I haven’t said she didn’t go to Court. I have said she withdrew her evidence. I have said she didn’t allow a jury of her peers to judge her evidence. The fact that the defence produced a new witness is normal practice in law. Or are cases against republicans not meant to follow normal practice? She withdrew her evidence. She denied the jury the chance to judge her claims. Where is the problem?

  • Belfastboy

    Why do you keep ignoring the fact that Cahill was afforded an entirely normal Court process and refused to see it through?

  • Comrade Stalin

    Look, I don’t know how new you are to all this, but it took the nearly 40 years for that to happen. During almost all of that time, the British government’s line was that their investigation had found that the soldiers did nothing wrong. Does any of that sound familiar ?

    Cahill did not turn down her chance with a legal body. That is the third of fourth time now you have repeated that lie. Why do you keep lying ?

  • SeaanUiNeill

    You have only to look back over my comments for some years to see that SF is hardly the single target for my disappointment in our current political snarl-up.

    Long years back when I was involved in Civil Rights, it was to get the corruption out of our politics. It was not simply to bring in other parties to get their lies and self-interests represented in Stormont.

  • Belfastboy

    An essential element of the Court process as a LEGAL BODY is to allow the JURY to judge your evidence. Cahill withdrew her evidence. If that’s not turning down her chance with a legal body, I don’t know what is.

  • Belfastboy

    I don’t care what you may or may not have done years ago, Seaan. Your comments were racist.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Really? Belfastboys comment above that is. And thanks Starviking for putting it much more clearly and succinctly than I have myself.

    Still very, very confused about the shouting at my own image in a mirror picture Belfastboy presents me with.

    Oh dear…….

  • Belfastboy

    Withrawing your ‘witness testimony’ is withdrawing your evidence, is it not? She should have allowed a jury to consider her evidence.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Oh, Disqus now adjudicates comments Belfastboy! The days of the yellow card are long over.

    Pointing out that the colonial experience has enervated one’s fellow Irish has been something those of us who care about Ireland have been doing since the Elizabethan conquest. Do you know the poetry of Dáibhí Ó Bruadair or Aodhagán Ó Rathaille, who describe similar lack of self-worth in their contemporaries? Or have you heard of William Rooney or Pádraig Pearse, both anti-Irish racists by your criteria?

    And I’d thought that it was only in China that I was not permitted to comment on the poor electoral choices of my fellow citizens………

  • Starviking

    Sorry, that is silly. Irish people can take the mick out of Irish people. It certainly isn’t racism.

    You suggested substitution of ‘black’ or ‘Jew’ in Seaan’s posts would show him to be a racist – but you forget that then you would have to change Seaan’s racial designation to black or Jewish respectively, as Seaan was commenting on his own identified race/culture/nationality.

  • mickfealty

    Do I? Damn, and I thought I was covering it so well! 😉 if you check out the polling tag on Slugger you’ll find I make an effort not to mislead in that regard.

  • babyface finlayson

    It’s not the end of story though is it? The story is going on right now.
    Anyone who felt they could not get justice in court would be looking for other ways to fight on to get the truth. That is what many victims groups continue to do.
    Wouldn’t you do the same?

  • sperrins1

    Comrade Stalin, on the 14th April when the trial was due to open Mairia Cahill requested to give her evidence via video link. This was because she said she was in fear of the alleged perp, that he had ‘glared’ at her and that the alleged perp at a previous hearing had ‘intentionally waited for her coming out of the lift’. The defence requested copies of CCTV in the courthouse to prove or disprove these new allegations. It was at this stage that the charges were dropped. Surely the CCTV would prove Mairias allegations? This however highlights that the charges were not withdrawn because of Mairias frustration at the entire process nor was it because of the introduction of a defence witness.

  • Belfastboy

    Er, no, I’d exhaust the legal avenues first.

  • Comrade Stalin

    She would not have withdrawn her evidence had the authorities not scotched the trial.

    Also, there was no jury.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Because that isn’t a fact – it is a lie. Cahill did not “refuse” anything.

  • Bryan Magee

    Important to point out that the state of the opinion polls does not change the seriousness of the allegations against the SF leadership in their handling of this issue.

  • sperrins1

    Comrade Stalin there is a report on the BBC NI NEWS website from the 14th April as to why this case was not proceeded with on the very day that this trial was due to begin

  • Robin Keogh

    He keeps ignoring it because he dosent like it. The lady gave a number of reasons as to why she decided not to take the stand, one of them being that she was emotionally exhausted at the time. God knows she must be emotionally shattered at this stage with all the media performances she has been forced to put in. In any event she took the decision not to to allow herself to be cross examined knowing the accused would end up acquitted. At this stage her cousin Lie leesh O Hanlon; the biggest anti Adams “Journalist” on the planet had got involved. Its not beyond the realm of possibility Lie Leesh friends in the media promised her they would get him through the media – such is their arrogance and contempt for truth and justice – thus giving Mairia another channel through which to persue her alleged transgressors.

  • Robin Keogh

    Mick, the Sindo did a hatchet Job on GA and SF last Sunday, I don’t know how you could claim the story was ignored.

  • Robin Keogh

    It is quite interesting that the International media have not become interested in this story, except to say that its clear Adams is being attacked for political expediency. The polls today are not too surprising. After the McConville circus before the last election, SF fell a few points in the polls and I was pretty surprised by that, I really expected them to take a serious hammering. The poll results are no shock. I have said it here before that you can only embellish so many stories, tell so many lies, nakedly abuse your position of influence for selfish interests and cynically try to destroy an opponent repeatedly before the public catch up to the truth of what is really going on. The media, particularly the Sindo have simply cried Wolf far too many times for the public to take them serious anymore. Even if a genuine and truthful article was to appear tomorrow with all the evidence necessary to prove beyond doubt Gerry Adams was responsible for the Ebola outbreak; the public would still expect foul play in its content. At some point the traditional Media and Political establishment in Dublin will have to try get the shinners off thier perch by serously challenging policy and performance. The twisted lies and the hysterical warped accusations are simply not working.

  • Michael-Henry Mcivor

    Lie Leesh – lol-

    The Sunday independent has photos of their journalists beside their stories for some strange reason- Lie Leesh has a photo of a young attractive woman beside her stories in the paper-it’s not her today anyway- if she lies about her own photo she would lie about anything-

  • Robin Keogh

    The photo is her, albeit a few years ago. If she is so shallow as to not want the public to see her older face – which in my view has aged pretty well- it may suggest her shallowness is only beaten by her lack of integrity.

  • Belfastboy

    What happened to Cahill’s statement?

  • Dixie Elliott

    Because it was a Diplock Court not a Jury. Get your facts right.

  • Dixie Elliott

    All of a sudden so called Republicans have faith in Diplock Courts!!

    The PSNI when asked said they weren’t aware of the last minute witness McCullough even though he was a former prisoner and Adams former bodyguard.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Still doing it, supporting those affirming basic human rights, that is. And still very confused that you, Belfastboy, seem to think I’m sluring a people who share my cultural identity and my choice of passport!

    I’m still attempting to make sense of why my fellow Irish have so little self-respect as to refuse themselves the opportunity to pick more honest politicians, who would not abuse their electorate with the kind of behaviour that would have had them retired with ignomony from their party in any other European democracy. That’s why I turned to colonial theory to find some explaination for this. There is a literature of post colonial studies that offers the possible explaination, suggesting that this habit of accepting a low quality of leadership is encoded by the colonial experience which has developedin our wider community habits of powerlesnesss and consequent low self-worth, certainly not something biologicaly determined, being an unfortunate effect on some of us of our own particular history, certainly not something to feel in any way insulted about, but something to mature out of to the point where the individual will understand that he may challenge abusive leadership at elections. The acceptence of a poor quality of politician is simply something encoded by an historical experience, certainly nothing to do with “race” (whatever that means in as mongeral a mix as our own). I’m assuming that you actually may not understand what racism actually is, (“prejudice and discrimination based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples”) and may simply be using the term as a silencer for opinions you do not share.

  • sperrins1

    Dixie the report from the BBC on the 14th April 2014 clearly states why the case did not go ahead as scheduled and it was nothing to do with last minute witness Mc Cullough nor with Maria Cahills frustration with the process. Mairia Cahill knew exactly what type of court was being used.

  • Dixie Elliott

    She was opposed to it being held before a judge and not a jury so get your facts right, just as she was opposed to having to succeed in achieving a guilty verdict against the 5 for IRA membership before she could succeed with the rape case.

    Why do you think that all charges were dropped at once including the rape and abuse charges?

  • sperrins1

    Dixie, Mairia Cahill continued with this process right up to the start of the trial. The case against the alleged perp was based on him using his senior powerful position within the IRA to intimidate or frighten or groom Mairia Cahill. Whilst not fully understanding this detail, surely this IRA membership against the alleged perp was a core part of the Crown case? The new allegations made by Mairia Cahill at the start of the trial about the alleged loitering around lifts could have been proven conclusively by CCTV. If there was no evidence at all of what was alleged by Mairia Cahill, would this have undermined her credibility? Hence the charges were dismissed.

  • Dixie Elliott

    Mairia Cahill continued as she was able to withstand the abuse longer than the two other girls. All this is nonsense about the CCTV, sure if you had listened to Spotlight Morris also did it right in front of the Judge as well….

    Clearly he was confident enough to be so arrogant.

    In fact if you were following developments you’d know that Morris has been exposed as following her on Twitter. If that isn’t creepy it is certainly continuing be arrogant.

    I notice you lot keep avoid questions that don’t suit. Why was this case tried as an IRA membership case at all when foremost it was about rape?

    Why wasn’t it heard before a jury?

    Why did Mairia Cahill have to go to court to get the names made public when she was willing to withdraw her own right to anonymity?

    Why did the PSNI say they had no knowledge of McCullough, a former prisoner and bodyguard of Adams?

  • Croiteir

    Looks like the public are more worried about water charges, FF still stuck in the doldrums – they are gettting squeezed sitting there in the middle ground.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    “The infallibility of the British system of justice….”

    Have any of you even looked at how impossible it is to get any rape dealt with in the courts? It’s simply never been a priority issue, since women stopped being the property of men. “Justice” is all about property, not human experience. As is the states ongoing concept of education, (see Pearse’s “The Murder machine”.)

  • sperrins1

    Dixie, I have no idea why the case was tried as membership – if the case had had went ahead, we all would have found out. The CCTV is very relevant as the defense counsel realised immediately. On the day the case was due to open, Mairia Cahill said that previously the alleged perp done a specific thing at a specific time at a specific location within the courthouse. If confirmed by CCTV, then Mairia Cahills credibility as a witness would have been greatly enhanced if not confirmed. Likewise, if the CCTV did not confirm what Mairia Cahill said had happened, then her credibility as a witness would have been undermined. It was when the defense requested access to the CCTV that the charges were dropped. Why? What discussions took place between the Defense and the Prosecution at this stage? We can only speculate. Was this report by the BBC of proceedings on the 14th April challenged at the time by Mairia Cahill? If not , why not?

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Robin, this kind of personal abuse against Maíria is doing the party you support no good at all, and remember its just a matter of hours after Reyhaneh Jabbari has been hanged for defending herself against her rapist. Only the most committed, those unable to see the effect their words have on decent moderate people would so stridently support what all decent people must begin to realise is the insupportable. I have great faith in the decency and sincerity the younger generation in SF I mix with and in their actual commitment to making Ireland a safe place for women to speak out. Maíria has been compelled to seek allies outside her natural political allegiances on the principal of “my enemy’s enemy is my friend” because those who should have entirely supported her have cynically compounded the abuse. Where else had she to turn? This is not a “lack of integrity” but the only place she can look for any redress when she was require to swallow her experience and simply accept injustice, as Áine was before her.

    It is about time those of us who understand the long experience of abuse Ireland itself has undergone begin to side entirely with the sufferers and not the abusers. “Fait justitia ruat caelum” otherwise we are acting no differently to those who have historically abused us all. As W.B. Yeats said, political parties and causes are judged by their victims.

  • Croiteir

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1101/656305-poll-politics/
    See – it is what affects you before all. Sinn Fein still riding high

  • Jag

    Incredible poll alright though Millward Brown does appear to have a volatile record.

    Judging by the water protests today – around 150,000 protesting in what were downpours at times – the SFers and assortment of socialists have stolen the leftwing vote, and Labour is left high and dry.

    FF still stuck in the doldrums as you say.

    FG taking a hit, despite an upbeat budget.

    SF have repelled the Mairia Cahill affair and taken more votes from Labour. Highest poll figure ever for SF that I’m aware of.

    The poll was undertaken for the Sunday Independent but won’t give them the headlines they’d love to write.